Elon vs U of Richmond

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elon’s 25th-75th percentile SAT range is 1175-1330. UR is 1410-1500. Are we done comparing apples and oranges?

The smartest kids at Elon would be the dumbest kids at Richmond, to be crude about it.

The last year test scores were required by either was 2019. According to the CDS from that year for each:

Elon's SAT ran from 1170-1330, which is 77th percentile to 93rd percentile. The median is around the 85th percentile.

Richmond's ran from 1300-1450, which is 91st to 99th percentile. The median is around the 95th percentile.

25% of Elon's students are therefore close to, at, or above the median at Richmond.

Also, speaking of comparing apples and oranges, the difference in intellectual capacity of the students at ANY two schools is nowhere near the same as that of the faculty. At Elon, 82% of the faculty have a PhD or other terminal degree. At Richmond, it's only 74%. How do you like them apples?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon is a school for rich kids not smart enough to get into someplace like Richmond. It’s not well respected by employers also boring. And yes I know several kids who attend.

Why are people so nasty about Elon?

They aren’t, they are just saying Richmond is much much better. It is. It’s not debatable. If op’s kid wants to go to Elon let them go to Elon. It’s a safety fkr many bottom 1/2 of class private school kids. Richmond is selective and full of very rich kids. Elon is more lower upper middle class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon’s 25th-75th percentile SAT range is 1175-1330. UR is 1410-1500. Are we done comparing apples and oranges?

The smartest kids at Elon would be the dumbest kids at Richmond, to be crude about it.

The last year test scores were required by either was 2019. According to the CDS from that year for each:

Elon's SAT ran from 1170-1330, which is 77th percentile to 93rd percentile. The median is around the 85th percentile.

Richmond's ran from 1300-1450, which is 91st to 99th percentile. The median is around the 95th percentile.

25% of Elon's students are therefore close to, at, or above the median at Richmond.

Also, speaking of comparing apples and oranges, the difference in intellectual capacity of the students at ANY two schools is nowhere near the same as that of the faculty. At Elon, 82% of the faculty have a PhD or other terminal degree. At Richmond, it's only 74%. How do you like them apples?

Same poster. My apologies. The numbers I gave for professors are totally wrong. It's 85% for Richmond vs. 77% for Elon. The test score numbers for students are correct, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon’s 25th-75th percentile SAT range is 1175-1330. UR is 1410-1500. Are we done comparing apples and oranges?

The smartest kids at Elon would be the dumbest kids at Richmond, to be crude about it.

The last year test scores were required by either was 2019. According to the CDS from that year for each:

Elon's SAT ran from 1170-1330, which is 77th percentile to 93rd percentile. The median is around the 85th percentile.

Richmond's ran from 1300-1450, which is 91st to 99th percentile. The median is around the 95th percentile.

25% of Elon's students are therefore close to, at, or above the median at Richmond.

Also, speaking of comparing apples and oranges, the difference in intellectual capacity of the students at ANY two schools is nowhere near the same as that of the faculty. At Elon, 82% of the faculty have a PhD or other terminal degree. At Richmond, it's only 74%. How do you like them apples?

Same poster. My apologies. The numbers I gave for professors are totally wrong. It's 85% for Richmond vs. 77% for Elon. The test score numbers for students are correct, though.

Yes the smartest kids at Elon are similar to the second quartile of kids at UR. Some people look at this data and conclude that a 20-30 point difference is meaningful. Here we are talking about 120-130 points. By your reasoning, basically all top 300 colleges in the US are essentially the same and one might as well choose Clemson over Duke. They are just as good, basically. Again, I don’t care, send your kid to Elon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon is a school for rich kids not smart enough to get into someplace like Richmond. It’s not well respected by employers also boring. And yes I know several kids who attend.

Why are people so nasty about Elon?

They aren’t, they are just saying Richmond is much much better. It is. It’s not debatable. If op’s kid wants to go to Elon let them go to Elon. It’s a safety fkr many bottom 1/2 of class private school kids. Richmond is selective and full of very rich kids. Elon is more lower upper middle class.

What difference does class make and how do you know the socioeconomic demographic info?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon is a school for rich kids not smart enough to get into someplace like Richmond. It’s not well respected by employers also boring. And yes I know several kids who attend.

Why are people so nasty about Elon?

They aren’t, they are just saying Richmond is much much better. It is. It’s not debatable. If op’s kid wants to go to Elon let them go to Elon. It’s a safety fkr many bottom 1/2 of class private school kids. Richmond is selective and full of very rich kids. Elon is more lower upper middle class.

What difference does class make and how do you know the socioeconomic demographic info?

I don’t get the assumption around social class/income. My guess would be only rather high income people would spend money to send their not so high performing children to Elon. And financial aid prob better at UR given the endowment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elon is a school for rich kids not smart enough to get into someplace like Richmond. It’s not well respected by employers also boring. And yes I know several kids who attend.

I think Elon attracts kids with learning disabilities. These are smart kids who shine in areas other than tedious classroom academics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon is a school for rich kids not smart enough to get into someplace like Richmond. It’s not well respected by employers also boring. And yes I know several kids who attend.

I think Elon attracts kids with learning disabilities. These are smart kids who shine in areas other than tedious classroom academics.

The LD trope about Elon is incorrect and harmful to continue to prattle on about. Can accommodations be made for students with LD? Yes, of course - like any other college. But people harping on it, like Elon is a LD safe haven school, are doing prospective students and college a disservice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon is a school for rich kids not smart enough to get into someplace like Richmond. It’s not well respected by employers also boring. And yes I know several kids who attend.

Why are people so nasty about Elon?

They aren’t, they are just saying Richmond is much much better. It is. It’s not debatable. If op’s kid wants to go to Elon let them go to Elon. It’s a safety fkr many bottom 1/2 of class private school kids. Richmond is selective and full of very rich kids. Elon is more lower upper middle class.

I find your tone nasty and unnecessary. I bet you’re one of the Northeastern haters as well. You can make your point without being so rude and dismissive.

[Anonymous]

I think if OP genuinely doesn't care about the difference in prestige and selectivity (which is real) she'd probably be happier with Elon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon is a school for rich kids not smart enough to get into someplace like Richmond. It’s not well respected by employers also boring. And yes I know several kids who attend.

Why are people so nasty about Elon?

They aren’t, they are just saying Richmond is much much better. It is. It’s not debatable. If op’s kid wants to go to Elon let them go to Elon. It’s a safety fkr many bottom 1/2 of class private school kids. Richmond is selective and full of very rich kids. Elon is more lower upper middle class.

I find your tone nasty and unnecessary. I bet you’re one of the Northeastern haters as well. You can make your point without being so rude and dismissive.

Not PP but the northeastern analogy is good. It’s frustrating when people promote these misperceptions that these rando heavily marketed schools are just as good as any other. Elon is not a top quality school and Northeastern is ridiculous (oh wait my DC just got another email from NEU, looks like she will be headed to the Hanoi campus!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think if OP genuinely doesn't care about the difference in prestige and selectivity (which is real) she'd probably be happier with Elon.

This is like recommending a restaurant without considering the food.

[Anonymous]

The urge to put down Elon tells us what we already know, Elon is on the rise and for some inexplicable reason people seem threatened by that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The urge to put down Elon tells us what we already know, Elon is on the rise and for some inexplicable reason people seem threatened by that.

Yes we wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat - Elon is gonna get us!

[Anonymous]

It sounds like OP's kid is a junior looking at schools, not a senior deciding between 2 schools. To the extent your child is looking for a mid-size school on the east coast with decent weather, these two do make a lot of sense. I doubt those CDS statistics are accurate for either school in 2023. Richmond is a hard admit and Elon has become increasingly difficult. Elon is more affordable (and has some very attractive merit aid programs), and to the extent one cares about USNWR rankings, I find Elon's rankings for undergraduate teaching and innovation impressive. I also think the learning communities sound like a good way to build a cohesive campus. OP - your DC should visit both and likely apply to both.