Can someone explain why Miami turned red?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cubans.

Nothing to do with "socialism is Dems GOP spewing"

They are not stupid.

Abortion.

That said the younger Cubans are figuring it out. In another election cycle we will see a turn to Dems.

You refuse to understand that we don’t care about party. We care about issues. Democrats have turned away from the issues that won over Latinos and immigrants and you will keep losing us until you find your way back.

This predatory tactic where you try to cut the younger generation off from the older generation to indoctrinate them is not going to work on Latinos. Our families are too strong. I’m 32 years old and I’ve been voting Republican for 6 years now. I flirted with Democrats when I was in college, but by the time I left corporate America after 8 years, I was voting Republican. At the end of the day, I want to raise a family, start a business, and keep my cultural ties. White liberals don’t have anything to offer me.

You’re just parroting talking points.

I’m sure you think your positions are so original.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cubans.

Nothing to do with "socialism is Dems GOP spewing"

They are not stupid.

Abortion.

That said the younger Cubans are figuring it out. In another election cycle we will see a turn to Dems.

You refuse to understand that we don’t care about party. We care about issues. Democrats have turned away from the issues that won over Latinos and immigrants and you will keep losing us until you find your way back.

This predatory tactic where you try to cut the younger generation off from the older generation to indoctrinate them is not going to work on Latinos. Our families are too strong. I’m 32 years old and I’ve been voting Republican for 6 years now. I flirted with Democrats when I was in college, but by the time I left corporate America after 8 years, I was voting Republican. At the end of the day, I want to raise a family, start a business, and keep my cultural ties. White liberals don’t have anything to offer me.

You’re just parroting talking points.

I’m sure you think your positions are so original.

Better than whatever your right wing masters are telling you to think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

You might want to check your “education” if you believe any of this steaming pile of horsesh1t you’ve been force fed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

Speaking as a (non-Spanish speaking) foreigner, I have to add that many posters on here automatically equate immigrants with the left, thinking that they're all low-income and want a social safety net. Which many do, of course, but here the left is awash with social mores that are WAY OUT THERE compared to social mores elsewhere in the world... where we come from. In my western European country, with great affordable healthcare and worker protections, there'd be an uproar if we started talking about transgenderism and affirmative action and race reparations the way Americans do (granted, Europe doesn't have the same history of slavery on its own soil, but there's plenty of racism and gender discrimination going on). The left-wing in my country is not obsessed with discussing race and gender like people do here. I understand that progressives want everyone to feel secure and confident in their own identities! But it just seems so.. voyeuristic and prurient!

And I am a leftist myself. However I recognize, based on what made left-wing parties successful around the world, that here the left needs to insist on affordable medication, affordable and geographically accessible healthcare, a basic federal standard of education that's a little more elevated than the rock-bottom one you have, more worker protections... not LGBTQ+ and affirmative action stuff.

PP here. You get it. American-born Democrats talk exclusively to each other about us and then wonder why the nonsense they come up with doesn’t win us over. What the left over here had degraded into has left it completely unlike the left everywhere in the world. I mean the idea that I have to sign onto men in women’s prisons if I want affordable medication? No. No. No. They can keep all their handouts and their radical fascist transformation of society into something unrecognizable. We like strong families where I come from and I take it for granted that we should know exactly what’s being taught to our kids. We don’t believe in making middle-class business owners the enemy and cheering tenants cheating landlords. That’s crazy. That’s how the Soviet Union, Sandinistas, all sorts of horrible, murderous movements started. America will learn that only bad people with a terrible agenda demand top-down control and a forcible transformation of society that undermines the family and stigmatizes entrepreneurial, upwardly mobile strivers. They ALWAYS start out preaching class warfare and promising untold handouts. Then the handouts disappear and the cudgels appear. Most of us immigrants have already learned and gotten the tee shirts!

American Republicans are problematic, but they’re not trying to punish me for having worked my way from the bottom to a nice lifestyle and they’re not trying to get between me and my children or paint me as a bigot for not denying what my eyes tell me about the immutable reality (and beauty) of sex-based differences.

I think this is the crux. But the sound bites coming from the right exacerbate this and many people believe the Dem platform is way more focused on these issues than it really is. Trans people make up a tiny, tiny percentage and their suicide rates are much, much higher than the general population. Can we just try to treat a mistreated group of people nicely even if we don’t understand it?

Dems should take the move towards the right by Miami Dade very seriously and take steps to bridge the gap. I’m amazed that the fear of “Socialism” on the left (which isn’t a thing) isn’t far, far outweighed by the lean towards fascism and fraud on the Right which *only* has a fear-based platform with zero answers to the problems they keep screaming about.

No. I will not lie about reality, confuse male with female, allow men to steal legal protections women have worked for, or turn a blind eye to any of the pernicious effects of your gender beliefs because someone threatens suicide. You talk about the right having a fear-based platform, but what exactly are you doing with this foolish talk of suicide if not trying to scare and manipulate people into submitting to your agenda?

Beware the agenda of Big Trans, amirite? In what cave do you credulous Neanderthals live?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the “illegal immigration” misinformation spread by the right is key here as well. The right has figured out how to play on the elitism of immigrants and second generation Americans by vilifying migrants arriving now. See also DeSantis’s horrific stunt.

Racism and elitism exists in every culture and the right messages in a way that speaks to this. Never mind that Trump et al are white nationalists and think any non aryan is subhuman. As long as the right manipulate folks into voting for them, that’s all that matter.

We don’t care what they think about us. I didn’t vote for Republicans because I want to hang out with Republicans. I didn’t vote for Democrats because I want to hang out with Democrats. All this childish “they don’t like you“ nonsense that works on African Americans doesn’t work on us. We don’t care. Have you considered that most of us immigrants don’t feel comfortable with born Americans? Maybe, just maybe, we don’t like a lot of you on either side. So what?

Or maybe people don’t like you very much and it’s reflected in your pugnacious bitterness?

[Anonymous]

Cubans came fleeing Castro and developed a conservative Latino community in Miami. Out of all Latinos, Cubans are most likely to insist their children speak Spanish fluently and many insist on only speaking Spanish at home while ensuring their kids are fluent in English and are well educated. Now it is the grandchildren of these Cuban refugees who still maintain strong ties to being Cuban.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cubans came fleeing Castro and developed a conservative Latino community in Miami. Out of all Latinos, Cubans are most likely to insist their children speak Spanish fluently and many insist on only speaking Spanish at home while ensuring their kids are fluent in English and are well educated. Now it is the grandchildren of these Cuban refugees who still maintain strong ties to being Cuban.

Miami is not just Cubans. It's Colombians, Venezuelans, Argentinians...mostly very well-educated and very aware of the risks of letting far-left crazies run the show.

[Anonymous]

Is the poster who repeatedly refers to African-Americans with such derision from Apartheid South Africa or just a garden variety racist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cubans.

Nothing to do with "socialism is Dems GOP spewing"

They are not stupid.

Abortion.

That said the younger Cubans are figuring it out. In another election cycle we will see a turn to Dems.

You refuse to understand that we don’t care about party. We care about issues. Democrats have turned away from the issues that won over Latinos and immigrants and you will keep losing us until you find your way back.

This predatory tactic where you try to cut the younger generation off from the older generation to indoctrinate them is not going to work on Latinos. Our families are too strong. I’m 32 years old and I’ve been voting Republican for 6 years now. I flirted with Democrats when I was in college, but by the time I left corporate America after 8 years, I was voting Republican. At the end of the day, I want to raise a family, start a business, and keep my cultural ties. White liberals don’t have anything to offer me.

You’re just parroting talking points.

I’m sure you think your positions are so original.

Better than whatever your right wing masters are telling you to think.

LOL you seriously aren't claiming that Democrats do not enforce thought control?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cubans came fleeing Castro and developed a conservative Latino community in Miami. Out of all Latinos, Cubans are most likely to insist their children speak Spanish fluently and many insist on only speaking Spanish at home while ensuring their kids are fluent in English and are well educated. Now it is the grandchildren of these Cuban refugees who still maintain strong ties to being Cuban.

On the other end of the Latino specter, I remember reading a feature in CNN around the time Trump won focused on voting patterns in poor parts of South Texas and poor Latinos there just felt like Democrats are taking their support for granted and advancing issues of no interest to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cubans came fleeing Castro and developed a conservative Latino community in Miami. Out of all Latinos, Cubans are most likely to insist their children speak Spanish fluently and many insist on only speaking Spanish at home while ensuring their kids are fluent in English and are well educated. Now it is the grandchildren of these Cuban refugees who still maintain strong ties to being Cuban.

Miami is not just Cubans. It's Colombians, Venezuelans, Argentinians...mostly very well-educated and very aware of the risks of letting far-left crazies run the show.

So mad about the success of America under the Biden Administration. Tilting wildly at windmills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cubans.

Nothing to do with "socialism is Dems GOP spewing"

They are not stupid.

Abortion.

That said the younger Cubans are figuring it out. In another election cycle we will see a turn to Dems.

You refuse to understand that we don’t care about party. We care about issues. Democrats have turned away from the issues that won over Latinos and immigrants and you will keep losing us until you find your way back.

This predatory tactic where you try to cut the younger generation off from the older generation to indoctrinate them is not going to work on Latinos. Our families are too strong. I’m 32 years old and I’ve been voting Republican for 6 years now. I flirted with Democrats when I was in college, but by the time I left corporate America after 8 years, I was voting Republican. At the end of the day, I want to raise a family, start a business, and keep my cultural ties. White liberals don’t have anything to offer me.

You’re just parroting talking points.

I’m sure you think your positions are so original.

Better than whatever your right wing masters are telling you to think.

LOL you seriously aren't claiming that Democrats do not enforce thought control?

Like what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much is Catholicism a factor? Misogyny, Homophobia.

Small business owners.

Most practicing Catholics in the US vote Democrat, actually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

Speaking as a (non-Spanish speaking) foreigner, I have to add that many posters on here automatically equate immigrants with the left, thinking that they're all low-income and want a social safety net. Which many do, of course, but here the left is awash with social mores that are WAY OUT THERE compared to social mores elsewhere in the world... where we come from. In my western European country, with great affordable healthcare and worker protections, there'd be an uproar if we started talking about transgenderism and affirmative action and race reparations the way Americans do (granted, Europe doesn't have the same history of slavery on its own soil, but there's plenty of racism and gender discrimination going on). The left-wing in my country is not obsessed with discussing race and gender like people do here. I understand that progressives want everyone to feel secure and confident in their own identities! But it just seems so.. voyeuristic and prurient!

And I am a leftist myself. However I recognize, based on what made left-wing parties successful around the world, that here the left needs to insist on affordable medication, affordable and geographically accessible healthcare, a basic federal standard of education that's a little more elevated than the rock-bottom one you have, more worker protections... not LGBTQ+ and affirmative action stuff.

PP here. You get it. American-born Democrats talk exclusively to each other about us and then wonder why the nonsense they come up with doesn’t win us over. What the left over here had degraded into has left it completely unlike the left everywhere in the world. I mean the idea that I have to sign onto men in women’s prisons if I want affordable medication? No. No. No. They can keep all their handouts and their radical fascist transformation of society into something unrecognizable. We like strong families where I come from and I take it for granted that we should know exactly what’s being taught to our kids. We don’t believe in making middle-class business owners the enemy and cheering tenants cheating landlords. That’s crazy. That’s how the Soviet Union, Sandinistas, all sorts of horrible, murderous movements started. America will learn that only bad people with a terrible agenda demand top-down control and a forcible transformation of society that undermines the family and stigmatizes entrepreneurial, upwardly mobile strivers. They ALWAYS start out preaching class warfare and promising untold handouts. Then the handouts disappear and the cudgels appear. Most of us immigrants have already learned and gotten the tee shirts!

American Republicans are problematic, but they’re not trying to punish me for having worked my way from the bottom to a nice lifestyle and they’re not trying to get between me and my children or paint me as a bigot for not denying what my eyes tell me about the immutable reality (and beauty) of sex-based differences.

I think this is the crux. But the sound bites coming from the right exacerbate this and many people believe the Dem platform is way more focused on these issues than it really is. Trans people make up a tiny, tiny percentage and their suicide rates are much, much higher than the general population. Can we just try to treat a mistreated group of people nicely even if we don’t understand it?

Dems should take the move towards the right by Miami Dade very seriously and take steps to bridge the gap. I’m amazed that the fear of “Socialism” on the left (which isn’t a thing) isn’t far, far outweighed by the lean towards fascism and fraud on the Right which *only* has a fear-based platform with zero answers to the problems they keep screaming about.

No. I will not lie about reality, confuse male with female, allow men to steal legal protections women have worked for, or turn a blind eye to any of the pernicious effects of your gender beliefs because someone threatens suicide. You talk about the right having a fear-based platform, but what exactly are you doing with this foolish talk of suicide if not trying to scare and manipulate people into submitting to your agenda?

Beware the agenda of Big Trans, amirite? In what cave do you credulous Neanderthals live?

There we go. First the “but suicide!” manipulation and then name calling and rage when the manipulation doesn’t work. Your tactics are repetitive and boring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the “illegal immigration” misinformation spread by the right is key here as well. The right has figured out how to play on the elitism of immigrants and second generation Americans by vilifying migrants arriving now. See also DeSantis’s horrific stunt.

Racism and elitism exists in every culture and the right messages in a way that speaks to this. Never mind that Trump et al are white nationalists and think any non aryan is subhuman. As long as the right manipulate folks into voting for them, that’s all that matter.

We don’t care what they think about us. I didn’t vote for Republicans because I want to hang out with Republicans. I didn’t vote for Democrats because I want to hang out with Democrats. All this childish “they don’t like you“ nonsense that works on African Americans doesn’t work on us. We don’t care. Have you considered that most of us immigrants don’t feel comfortable with born Americans? Maybe, just maybe, we don’t like a lot of you on either side. So what?

Or maybe people don’t like you very much and it’s reflected in your pugnacious bitterness?

I’m a bad person, no one likes me, Latinos who vote Republican are uneducated and can’t speak English, but we’re also elitist and racist and…and…and. Is there any attack and stereotype the Democrats in this thread haven’t tried?

But Republicans are the only hateful racists and Democrats are our FRIENDS! Sure.