Can someone explain why Miami turned red?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is OP- I get that it is Whites, Cubans, Brazilians, Venezuelans and Puerto Ricans that leaned republican. But what I don't understand is why? Typically people who choose to move to diverse cities don't have regressive politics. Why is Miami different or why is these Whites and Latino voters different?

Cubans in Miami were from the former elite of Cuba- those echelons tend to be conservative.

[Anonymous]

Because every rich hedge fund MF’er from NY who made a killing in the 90s decided to retire and run to FL so they can enjoy the tax benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

Speaking as a (non-Spanish speaking) foreigner, I have to add that many posters on here automatically equate immigrants with the left, thinking that they're all low-income and want a social safety net. Which many do, of course, but here the left is awash with social mores that are WAY OUT THERE compared to social mores elsewhere in the world... where we come from. In my western European country, with great affordable healthcare and worker protections, there'd be an uproar if we started talking about transgenderism and affirmative action and race reparations the way Americans do (granted, Europe doesn't have the same history of slavery on its own soil, but there's plenty of racism and gender discrimination going on). The left-wing in my country is not obsessed with discussing race and gender like people do here. I understand that progressives want everyone to feel secure and confident in their own identities! But it just seems so.. voyeuristic and prurient!

And I am a leftist myself. However I recognize, based on what made left-wing parties successful around the world, that here the left needs to insist on affordable medication, affordable and geographically accessible healthcare, a basic federal standard of education that's a little more elevated than the rock-bottom one you have, more worker protections... not LGBTQ+ and affirmative action stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

As an African America, which you are so happy not to be, the reason it's shocking that Florida Latinos support Rs is because of how racist against Latinos they are. I certainly don't assume that immigrants are poor. Also, I don't give transgender issues a second thought, nor do any of my D friends. You see that on tv and assume that's how most Ds believe. No one is teaching a victim mentality to kids. It's called history and many people want to run from it.

[Anonymous]

PP here: and, Latinos supported Rs in Florida, but they most certainly did not in CO, AZ or NM!

[Anonymous]

In addition to ideological and class differences others have pointed out between Cubans, Brazilians, Venezuelans and the Mexican and Central American Latinos in other states, Florida’s Latino population is quite a bit older than Latinos in other states, where the young outnumber the old.

As for Miami-Dade, Blacks have been moving from there into Broward for the past decade.

[Anonymous]

Because a good majority of them do not consider themselves Latino/a. They consider themselves White.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

Speaking as a (non-Spanish speaking) foreigner, I have to add that many posters on here automatically equate immigrants with the left, thinking that they're all low-income and want a social safety net. Which many do, of course, but here the left is awash with social mores that are WAY OUT THERE compared to social mores elsewhere in the world... where we come from. In my western European country, with great affordable healthcare and worker protections, there'd be an uproar if we started talking about transgenderism and affirmative action and race reparations the way Americans do (granted, Europe doesn't have the same history of slavery on its own soil, but there's plenty of racism and gender discrimination going on). The left-wing in my country is not obsessed with discussing race and gender like people do here. I understand that progressives want everyone to feel secure and confident in their own identities! But it just seems so.. voyeuristic and prurient!

And I am a leftist myself. However I recognize, based on what made left-wing parties successful around the world, that here the left needs to insist on affordable medication, affordable and geographically accessible healthcare, a basic federal standard of education that's a little more elevated than the rock-bottom one you have, more worker protections... not LGBTQ+ and affirmative action stuff.

PP here. You get it. American-born Democrats talk exclusively to each other about us and then wonder why the nonsense they come up with doesn’t win us over. What the left over here had degraded into has left it completely unlike the left everywhere in the world. I mean the idea that I have to sign onto men in women’s prisons if I want affordable medication? No. No. No. They can keep all their handouts and their radical fascist transformation of society into something unrecognizable. We like strong families where I come from and I take it for granted that we should know exactly what’s being taught to our kids. We don’t believe in making middle-class business owners the enemy and cheering tenants cheating landlords. That’s crazy. That’s how the Soviet Union, Sandinistas, all sorts of horrible, murderous movements started. America will learn that only bad people with a terrible agenda demand top-down control and a forcible transformation of society that undermines the family and stigmatizes entrepreneurial, upwardly mobile strivers. They ALWAYS start out preaching class warfare and promising untold handouts. Then the handouts disappear and the cudgels appear. Most of us immigrants have already learned and gotten the tee shirts!

American Republicans are problematic, but they’re not trying to punish me for having worked my way from the bottom to a nice lifestyle and they’re not trying to get between me and my children or paint me as a bigot for not denying what my eyes tell me about the immutable reality (and beauty) of sex-based differences.

[Anonymous]

Early 80’s my Cuban political science major friend did a study. Cubans register as democrats to vote for the poorest democrat candidate then vote republican in the election. No idea if this is still true.

Back then it was the JFK thing, now many seem to think democrats represent socialism. They clearly do not know the definition of socialism.

DeSantis is a horrible person and Governor. If he wins a presidency he will be worse than Trump. DeSantis actually knows how to use the system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because a good majority of them do not consider themselves Latino/a. They consider themselves White.

That’s a lie. Most of us consider ourselves neither. We consider ourselves Brazilian, Cuban, Peruvian etc. Americans don’t understand what it is to have a strong CULTURAL and NATIONAL identity. Everything is race, race, race here. Race isn’t anything to base identity on where we come from because no one is one race. My mom looks like Soledad O’Brien, my Dad looks like ARod and my siblings and I range from “white” looking to Indio-looking and one of us is a brown-skinned mulatta in looks. What is our race? Should my sister vote with African Americans and my brother vote with white southerners? The question of race has no meaning. We vote or culture. Strong values, hard work, entrepreneurship, family first and last.

[Anonymous]

So will Florida continue to get redder?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

Speaking as a (non-Spanish speaking) foreigner, I have to add that many posters on here automatically equate immigrants with the left, thinking that they're all low-income and want a social safety net. Which many do, of course, but here the left is awash with social mores that are WAY OUT THERE compared to social mores elsewhere in the world... where we come from. In my western European country, with great affordable healthcare and worker protections, there'd be an uproar if we started talking about transgenderism and affirmative action and race reparations the way Americans do (granted, Europe doesn't have the same history of slavery on its own soil, but there's plenty of racism and gender discrimination going on). The left-wing in my country is not obsessed with discussing race and gender like people do here. I understand that progressives want everyone to feel secure and confident in their own identities! But it just seems so.. voyeuristic and prurient!

And I am a leftist myself. However I recognize, based on what made left-wing parties successful around the world, that here the left needs to insist on affordable medication, affordable and geographically accessible healthcare, a basic federal standard of education that's a little more elevated than the rock-bottom one you have, more worker protections... not LGBTQ+ and affirmative action stuff.

PP here. You get it. American-born Democrats talk exclusively to each other about us and then wonder why the nonsense they come up with doesn’t win us over. What the left over here had degraded into has left it completely unlike the left everywhere in the world. I mean the idea that I have to sign onto men in women’s prisons if I want affordable medication? No. No. No. They can keep all their handouts and their radical fascist transformation of society into something unrecognizable. We like strong families where I come from and I take it for granted that we should know exactly what’s being taught to our kids. We don’t believe in making middle-class business owners the enemy and cheering tenants cheating landlords. That’s crazy. That’s how the Soviet Union, Sandinistas, all sorts of horrible, murderous movements started. America will learn that only bad people with a terrible agenda demand top-down control and a forcible transformation of society that undermines the family and stigmatizes entrepreneurial, upwardly mobile strivers. They ALWAYS start out preaching class warfare and promising untold handouts. Then the handouts disappear and the cudgels appear. Most of us immigrants have already learned and gotten the tee shirts!

American Republicans are problematic, but they’re not trying to punish me for having worked my way from the bottom to a nice lifestyle and they’re not trying to get between me and my children or paint me as a bigot for not denying what my eyes tell me about the immutable reality (and beauty) of sex-based differences.

Typical right-wing propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

Speaking as a (non-Spanish speaking) foreigner, I have to add that many posters on here automatically equate immigrants with the left, thinking that they're all low-income and want a social safety net. Which many do, of course, but here the left is awash with social mores that are WAY OUT THERE compared to social mores elsewhere in the world... where we come from. In my western European country, with great affordable healthcare and worker protections, there'd be an uproar if we started talking about transgenderism and affirmative action and race reparations the way Americans do (granted, Europe doesn't have the same history of slavery on its own soil, but there's plenty of racism and gender discrimination going on). The left-wing in my country is not obsessed with discussing race and gender like people do here. I understand that progressives want everyone to feel secure and confident in their own identities! But it just seems so.. voyeuristic and prurient!

And I am a leftist myself. However I recognize, based on what made left-wing parties successful around the world, that here the left needs to insist on affordable medication, affordable and geographically accessible healthcare, a basic federal standard of education that's a little more elevated than the rock-bottom one you have, more worker protections... not LGBTQ+ and affirmative action stuff.

PP here. You get it. American-born Democrats talk exclusively to each other about us and then wonder why the nonsense they come up with doesn’t win us over. What the left over here had degraded into has left it completely unlike the left everywhere in the world. I mean the idea that I have to sign onto men in women’s prisons if I want affordable medication? No. No. No. They can keep all their handouts and their radical fascist transformation of society into something unrecognizable. We like strong families where I come from and I take it for granted that we should know exactly what’s being taught to our kids. We don’t believe in making middle-class business owners the enemy and cheering tenants cheating landlords. That’s crazy. That’s how the Soviet Union, Sandinistas, all sorts of horrible, murderous movements started. America will learn that only bad people with a terrible agenda demand top-down control and a forcible transformation of society that undermines the family and stigmatizes entrepreneurial, upwardly mobile strivers. They ALWAYS start out preaching class warfare and promising untold handouts. Then the handouts disappear and the cudgels appear. Most of us immigrants have already learned and gotten the tee shirts!

American Republicans are problematic, but they’re not trying to punish me for having worked my way from the bottom to a nice lifestyle and they’re not trying to get between me and my children or paint me as a bigot for not denying what my eyes tell me about the immutable reality (and beauty) of sex-based differences.

Typical right-wing propaganda.

So you can't refute this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are tired of Latinx, gender theory, race obsession and the rest of the nonsense that white liberals try to foist on normal humans.

Speaking as an immigrant, this is exactly it. You can’t emotionally blackmail us into turning a blind eye to your nonsense ideologies. Men will never be women, we don’t want you teaching your victim mentality to our kids, and race means nothing to us because we actually have proud CULTURES to hold on to. Keep talking crap about us. We’re not African American and we don’t owe you anything just because you claim you voted for Obama.

Oh and those of us who speak English and are well educated are MORE conservative.

Speaking as a (non-Spanish speaking) foreigner, I have to add that many posters on here automatically equate immigrants with the left, thinking that they're all low-income and want a social safety net. Which many do, of course, but here the left is awash with social mores that are WAY OUT THERE compared to social mores elsewhere in the world... where we come from. In my western European country, with great affordable healthcare and worker protections, there'd be an uproar if we started talking about transgenderism and affirmative action and race reparations the way Americans do (granted, Europe doesn't have the same history of slavery on its own soil, but there's plenty of racism and gender discrimination going on). The left-wing in my country is not obsessed with discussing race and gender like people do here. I understand that progressives want everyone to feel secure and confident in their own identities! But it just seems so.. voyeuristic and prurient!

And I am a leftist myself. However I recognize, based on what made left-wing parties successful around the world, that here the left needs to insist on affordable medication, affordable and geographically accessible healthcare, a basic federal standard of education that's a little more elevated than the rock-bottom one you have, more worker protections... not LGBTQ+ and affirmative action stuff.

PP here. You get it. American-born Democrats talk exclusively to each other about us and then wonder why the nonsense they come up with doesn’t win us over. What the left over here had degraded into has left it completely unlike the left everywhere in the world. I mean the idea that I have to sign onto men in women’s prisons if I want affordable medication? No. No. No. They can keep all their handouts and their radical fascist transformation of society into something unrecognizable. We like strong families where I come from and I take it for granted that we should know exactly what’s being taught to our kids. We don’t believe in making middle-class business owners the enemy and cheering tenants cheating landlords. That’s crazy. That’s how the Soviet Union, Sandinistas, all sorts of horrible, murderous movements started. America will learn that only bad people with a terrible agenda demand top-down control and a forcible transformation of society that undermines the family and stigmatizes entrepreneurial, upwardly mobile strivers. They ALWAYS start out preaching class warfare and promising untold handouts. Then the handouts disappear and the cudgels appear. Most of us immigrants have already learned and gotten the tee shirts!

American Republicans are problematic, but they’re not trying to punish me for having worked my way from the bottom to a nice lifestyle and they’re not trying to get between me and my children or paint me as a bigot for not denying what my eyes tell me about the immutable reality (and beauty) of sex-based differences.

I think this is the crux. But the sound bites coming from the right exacerbate this and many people believe the Dem platform is way more focused on these issues than it really is. Trans people make up a tiny, tiny percentage and their suicide rates are much, much higher than the general population. Can we just try to treat a mistreated group of people nicely even if we don’t understand it?

Dems should take the move towards the right by Miami Dade very seriously and take steps to bridge the gap. I’m amazed that the fear of “Socialism” on the left (which isn’t a thing) isn’t far, far outweighed by the lean towards fascism and fraud on the Right which *only* has a fear-based platform with zero answers to the problems they keep screaming about.