Can someone explain why Miami turned red?

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Anonymous wrote:The people I know who came from Communist countries, they don't want to live under a government where they feel heavily controlled. And that's what they see in the Democrat platform with more government involvement - with their social agendas and telling people this is how you should think and act.

How so? Other than saying to not be a bigoted di-- to your fellow citizen, which isn't a platform, how are you being told to think (really? They're telling you what to think???) and act? Just bc you don't like what you hear, or are defensive it hits a bit too close to home, isn't "telling you you to think or act."

Progressives are way out there compared to the rest of the world on these social issues and are quick to jump down the throats of anyone who disagrees. There is very little "agree to disagree." It's see things my way or I am going to tar and feather you.

In some ways it feels like McCarthyism, but instead of looking for Communists, progressives are hunting down bigots and white supremacists as they define it.

If you believe this - and you believe progressives are driving the D agenda, which I don't think they are - why did Miami go differently from the rest of the country. That's the salient question. Not how you feel about trans kids or drag queens, but why people in Miami voted differently from how people voted elsewhere in the country.

Also please just drop your hysteria about drag queens and trans kids. It's exhausting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cubans.

Nothing to do with "socialism is Dems GOP spewing"

They are not stupid.

Abortion.

That said the younger Cubans are figuring it out. In another election cycle we will see a turn to Dems.

That’s what they said four years ago.

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It's not about science. It's about religion and culture.

and this here is why we are so far apart in this country. Where is the middle ground when religion is on one side and science the other?

Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) says she is “tired” of the long-standing separation between church and state in the U.S., adding that she believes “the church is supposed to direct the government.”

That's the problem with the R party. Their conservative cultural identity drives them.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the blame is with Florida Democrats. It's really just an incompetent party here. Terrible at candidate cultivation, terrible at outreach with Cubans - or Puerto Ricans, Venezuelans, or other Spanish-speaking groups of voters.

Everyone was sounding this alarm during the 2020 election - that the Biden campaign just wasn't reaching Spanish speaking voters. And then that's exactly what happened. So what was the response in 2022? Still no outreach.

I don't think it would be all that massively hard to turn some of this around. But you'd have to put money, effort, time, and people into doing it.

I honestly think the Democrats have given up on Florida. Biden proved you dont need Florida, Texas or Ohio to win a national election unless as you pull Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan along with Arizona or Georgia. I don’t know if that is a good strategy or not, but it has worked the last two elections. They can spend more money on those five states and get a win. JMO.

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Anonymous wrote:The people I know who came from Communist countries, they don't want to live under a government where they feel heavily controlled. And that's what they see in the Democrat platform with more government involvement - with their social agendas and telling people this is how you should think and act.

How so? Other than saying to not be a bigoted di-- to your fellow citizen, which isn't a platform, how are you being told to think (really? They're telling you what to think???) and act? Just bc you don't like what you hear, or are defensive it hits a bit too close to home, isn't "telling you you to think or act."

Progressives are way out there compared to the rest of the world on these social issues and are quick to jump down the throats of anyone who disagrees. There is very little "agree to disagree." It's see things my way or I am going to tar and feather you.

In some ways it feels like McCarthyism, but instead of looking for Communists, progressives are hunting down bigots and white supremacists as they define it.

If you believe this - and you believe progressives are driving the D agenda, which I don't think they are - why did Miami go differently from the rest of the country. That's the salient question. Not how you feel about trans kids or drag queens, but why people in Miami voted differently from how people voted elsewhere in the country.

Also please just drop your hysteria about drag queens and trans kids. It's exhausting.

Actually, Hispanics overall increased their GOP vote (as did blacks and Asian Am.) It is more noticeable in Miami because there are so many of them.

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Anonymous wrote:The people I know who came from Communist countries, they don't want to live under a government where they feel heavily controlled. And that's what they see in the Democrat platform with more government involvement - with their social agendas and telling people this is how you should think and act.

That’s just an excuse to vote for racists and fascists. You are voting for right-wing authoritarians who are far more controlling than any Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:The people I know who came from Communist countries, they don't want to live under a government where they feel heavily controlled. And that's what they see in the Democrat platform with more government involvement - with their social agendas and telling people this is how you should think and act.

How so? Other than saying to not be a bigoted di-- to your fellow citizen, which isn't a platform, how are you being told to think (really? They're telling you what to think???) and act? Just bc you don't like what you hear, or are defensive it hits a bit too close to home, isn't "telling you you to think or act."

Progressives are way out there compared to the rest of the world on these social issues and are quick to jump down the throats of anyone who disagrees. There is very little "agree to disagree." It's see things my way or I am going to tar and feather you.

In some ways it feels like McCarthyism, but instead of looking for Communists, progressives are hunting down bigots and white supremacists as they define it.

If you believe this - and you believe progressives are driving the D agenda, which I don't think they are - why did Miami go differently from the rest of the country. That's the salient question. Not how you feel about trans kids or drag queens, but why people in Miami voted differently from how people voted elsewhere in the country.

Also please just drop your hysteria about drag queens and trans kids. It's exhausting.

Actually, Hispanics overall increased their GOP vote (as did blacks and Asian Am.) It is more noticeable in Miami because there are so many of them.

Not in Nevada or Arizona or Colorado or Pennsylvania where Hispanic votes decided the Senate races.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious how skin color factors into all of this. Hispanic is not a race it’s an ethnicity. There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics, and everything in between. My sense is that Hispanics with lighter skin and more European features have in many ways been accepted by whites in their community and are aligning with white conservatives. Hispanics with darker skin who are more black or indigenous looking may be less likely to achieve this same level of acceptance and may not reach the a higher SES either. Hispanics of color are probably less likely to see themselves as someone Republicans are looking out for.

My mom’s side of the family is Hispanic with more white European features, and they have seen some of this play out among other Hispanics we know.

In my opinion, a lot although it also has a lot to do with internal community factors. Colorism does exist there as well while Guatemalans and Salvadorans are often looked down on by other Central Americans.

Yep. Let us not forget the recently leaked tape of California city council members of Mexican descent making vile, colorist and disparaging remarks about darker skinned Hispanics from Guatemala.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the “illegal immigration” misinformation spread by the right is key here as well. The right has figured out how to play on the elitism of immigrants and second generation Americans by vilifying migrants arriving now. See also DeSantis’s horrific stunt.

Racism and elitism exists in every culture and the right messages in a way that speaks to this. Never mind that Trump et al are white nationalists and think any non aryan is subhuman. As long as the right manipulate folks into voting for them, that’s all that matter.

I find it wholly ironic that Cubans and Venezuelans, many of whom are refugees and asylum seekers, would vote for a party that wants to limit refugees and asylum seekers. Typical R attitude.

They want to pull up the ladder. It happens more often than not. Sadly.

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Anonymous wrote:The people I know who came from Communist countries, they don't want to live under a government where they feel heavily controlled. And that's what they see in the Democrat platform with more government involvement - with their social agendas and telling people this is how you should think and act.

How so? Other than saying to not be a bigoted di-- to your fellow citizen, which isn't a platform, how are you being told to think (really? They're telling you what to think???) and act? Just bc you don't like what you hear, or are defensive it hits a bit too close to home, isn't "telling you you to think or act."

Progressives are way out there compared to the rest of the world on these social issues and are quick to jump down the throats of anyone who disagrees. There is very little "agree to disagree." It's see things my way or I am going to tar and feather you.

In some ways it feels like McCarthyism, but instead of looking for Communists, progressives are hunting down bigots and white supremacists as they define it.

If you believe this - and you believe progressives are driving the D agenda, which I don't think they are - why did Miami go differently from the rest of the country. That's the salient question. Not how you feel about trans kids or drag queens, but why people in Miami voted differently from how people voted elsewhere in the country.

Also please just drop your hysteria about drag queens and trans kids. It's exhausting.

approximately half the country vote-wise

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people I know who came from Communist countries, they don't want to live under a government where they feel heavily controlled. And that's what they see in the Democrat platform with more government involvement - with their social agendas and telling people this is how you should think and act.

How so? Other than saying to not be a bigoted di-- to your fellow citizen, which isn't a platform, how are you being told to think (really? They're telling you what to think???) and act? Just bc you don't like what you hear, or are defensive it hits a bit too close to home, isn't "telling you you to think or act."

Progressives are way out there compared to the rest of the world on these social issues and are quick to jump down the throats of anyone who disagrees. There is very little "agree to disagree." It's see things my way or I am going to tar and feather you.

In some ways it feels like McCarthyism, but instead of looking for Communists, progressives are hunting down bigots and white supremacists as they define it.

If you believe this - and you believe progressives are driving the D agenda, which I don't think they are - why did Miami go differently from the rest of the country. That's the salient question. Not how you feel about trans kids or drag queens, but why people in Miami voted differently from how people voted elsewhere in the country.

Also please just drop your hysteria about drag queens and trans kids. It's exhausting.

approximately half the country vote-wise

Not the people in cities, though. Miami is one of the only cities that voted this way, hence the question.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people I know who came from Communist countries, they don't want to live under a government where they feel heavily controlled. And that's what they see in the Democrat platform with more government involvement - with their social agendas and telling people this is how you should think and act.

How so? Other than saying to not be a bigoted di-- to your fellow citizen, which isn't a platform, how are you being told to think (really? They're telling you what to think???) and act? Just bc you don't like what you hear, or are defensive it hits a bit too close to home, isn't "telling you you to think or act."

Progressives are way out there compared to the rest of the world on these social issues and are quick to jump down the throats of anyone who disagrees. There is very little "agree to disagree." It's see things my way or I am going to tar and feather you.

In some ways it feels like McCarthyism, but instead of looking for Communists, progressives are hunting down bigots and white supremacists as they define it.

If you believe this - and you believe progressives are driving the D agenda, which I don't think they are - why did Miami go differently from the rest of the country. That's the salient question. Not how you feel about trans kids or drag queens, but why people in Miami voted differently from how people voted elsewhere in the country.

Also please just drop your hysteria about drag queens and trans kids. It's exhausting.

Actually, Hispanics overall increased their GOP vote (as did blacks and Asian Am.) It is more noticeable in Miami because there are so many of them.

Not in Nevada or Arizona or Colorado or Pennsylvania where Hispanic votes decided the Senate races.

+1 Again, why OP asked the question is because Hispanics broke hard to the right while Hispanics almost everywhere else did not.

[Anonymous]

^^^ should be Hispanics IN FLORIDA broke hard to the right

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the uneducated and non English speaking fear (what they perceive as or told is) socialism in this county.

I speak English and I’m well-educated and also fear socialism in this country.

It’s telling that socialism can unite so many people with very little in common

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Anonymous wrote:Because a good majority of them do not consider themselves Latino/a. They consider themselves White.

That’s a lie. Most of us consider ourselves neither. We consider ourselves Brazilian, Cuban, Peruvian etc. Americans don’t understand what it is to have a strong CULTURAL and NATIONAL identity. Everything is race, race, race here. Race isn’t anything to base identity on where we come from because no one is one race. My mom looks like Soledad O’Brien, my Dad looks like ARod and my siblings and I range from “white” looking to Indio-looking and one of us is a brown-skinned mulatta in looks. What is our race? Should my sister vote with African Americans and my brother vote with white southerners? The question of race has no meaning. We vote or culture. Strong values, hard work, entrepreneurship, family first and last.

NP. And yet, income and opportunities are based on the complexion of your skin in those countries. The lighter the complexion, the greater the income and wealth. So yes, many if not most do consider themselves white followed by mestizo t

On a visit to Cuba many years ago, the darker Cubans were not allowed to be in front-facing tourism positions. The lighter, whiter Cubans were the waitresses interacting with the tourist. It was better to be whitish and identify as such than not. The darker Cubans were in the back cooking and washing the dishes. It was noticed throughout my travel. As a stupid, dumb, naive, college freshman at FSU, I met my first Cuban, blind and blue-eyes. Stupid me said something like, “wow, I thought you guys were Hispanic, not white.” His response was, “I am both white and Hispanic.” True that. Giselle Bundshen identifies as as white, Brazilian woman. So YMMV in your family, but in my long-life, almost all the white identifying Hispanics, identify as white while also identifying their background ethnicity.

Gisele Bundchen's family came to Brazil from Germany in the 19th Century so she is ethnically German and white. She also was raised in a Portuguese speaking country, so she really isn't hispanic.