Ketogenic diet on Cleveland Clinic Journal volume 88.

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Anonymous wrote:I think keto is FINALLY on its death bed. People no longer buy that "lose weight fast" BS. It doesn't work regarding weightloss, and it's terribly unhealthy.

Demonizing fat in the 90''s was idiotic, and demonizing carbs in the 2000's was equally moronic.

You’ve never tried it, have you?

I have--it's not sustainable. Hence why 99% of people gain the weight back, plus more.

You know what *IS* sustainable? No restrictions, eat less, move more. Lost a large chunk of weight and have maintained it for 5+ years.

Also no GI issues due to abundant fiber (ie, carbs)

How much less food, and how much more moving?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having two bananas and a pomegranate for lunch. What a house of horrors will these evil carbs wreck on my body!

Candy bars are better than that.
Who eats two bananas?

Yes, indeed! I am such a glutton eating so much candy in the form of bananas!
How much weight will I gain?

There was an experiment by Dennis Pollock on YouTube his blood sugar level was better with Snickers candy bar than bananas.

For real? That is fascinating!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having two bananas and a pomegranate for lunch. What a house of horrors will these evil carbs wreck on my body!

Candy bars are better than that.
Who eats two bananas?

Yes, indeed! I am such a glutton eating so much candy in the form of bananas!
How much weight will I gain?

There was an experiment by Dennis Pollock on YouTube his blood sugar level was better with Snickers candy bar than bananas.

For real? That is fascinating!

Yes,
You should watch it.
I think the peanuts in the candy bar slows the blood sugar spike.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve done it for many years, so yes you can stay on it.

No, your body doesn’t need carbs, and neither does your brain, no, keto does not destroy your kidneys.

Please cite medical research.

NP and too lazy to go looking, but on super low carb diets, your body manufactures them itself. If you need proof that the human body doesn’t need carbs, the existence of humans in the Arctic Circle, who survived pretty much on meat and fish (they ate plants and thus carbohydrates where available, but it’s not like the Arctic is a rich source of plant-based foods), is it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_cuisine

I’m not defending a keto diet for widespread consumption - nothing could be more tedious than listening to a friend calculate macros - but no, we don’t really need carbs. They sure are tasty!

It's a less efficient process. It requires more fuel and produces less energy. That's why keto may be good for weight loss for some people but it's not a good way to live.

Your GI system, from the top to the bottom is a lot healthier when whole grains are consumed. The fiber provided from fruits and vegetables is not
The same and while it is beneficial in different ways, the soluble fiber from legumes and whole grains has heath benefits you don’t get from low carb vegetables. Some oatmeal for breakfast a few days per week (hi oatmeal lady, love you), some quinoa with salmon and vegetables for dinner, a spouted whole grain wrap filled with Veggies and hummous…these things are GOOD for you. There is plenty of research on this. Eating carbs shouldn’t mean rice and pasta all day every day. But a couple servings of whole grains most days is definitely beneficial for all people and isnt what is making anyone obese

I have done Keto, did well on it (most days I'm still low carb) and agree with you. When I choose to have carbs I reach for the some of the ones you have mentioned-I still try to avoid wheat as much as possible because it gives me gastric issues. I can eat potatoes and legumes with no problems.

There is a big difference in the quality of carbs and fats no matter what diet lifestyle you follow.

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Something a lot of the anti keto people don't understand or refuse to consider: for those of us with a family history of severe Type 1 or 2 diabetes we cannot live a healthy life trying to process the overwhelming amount of carbs in the standard American diet. We have a metabolic condition and no matter how healthy wheat or oatmeal is for others, we cannot process large amounts of it and it ends up making us unhealthy. I am glad the medical community is waking up and finally paying attention to low carb eating!

T2 runs on both sides of my family and my paternal grandparents were blind, had lost limbs and had heart disease from it. My father has been suffering for years too. As I see him on a ton of medications and in pain, trying to survive a recent heart attack, I am so thankful I found Keto/Paleo/low carb, even though I do opt to have healthy carbs now, because I am just about 60 and I am on no medication for cholesterol, high blood pressure and other things that plaque my other relatives.

There is a group of people who genetically do end up with higher cholesterol on a higher fat keto diet, even if they are doing it correctly. If anyone is interested out there, look up Dave Feldman. He is an engineer who was a marathon runner and this happened to him. He is doing a lot of research with other scientists to try and help people who want to stay keto or just figure out how to live healthier with minimal medications.

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Anonymous wrote:I think keto is FINALLY on its death bed. People no longer buy that "lose weight fast" BS. It doesn't work regarding weightloss, and it's terribly unhealthy.

Demonizing fat in the 90''s was idiotic, and demonizing carbs in the 2000's was equally moronic.

And demonizing meat is too.

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Heyyyyy. Lifetime migraine sufferer who adopted the keto lifestyle three years ago. Went from spending several days each month in bed, in severe pain, to having ~3 headaches per year.

It's not for everyone, but it can be life-changing for some.

I miss oatmeal, granola and rice bowls. I used to eat so much fruit (omg, melons and nectarines were my favs). But, they aren't worth the agony of migraines.

(and there are studies looking into this...perhaps related to keto benefit for epilepsy patients)

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Anonymous wrote:Something a lot of the anti keto people don't understand or refuse to consider: for those of us with a family history of severe Type 1 or 2 diabetes we cannot live a healthy life trying to process the overwhelming amount of carbs in the standard American diet. We have a metabolic condition and no matter how healthy wheat or oatmeal is for others, we cannot process large amounts of it and it ends up making us unhealthy. I am glad the medical community is waking up and finally paying attention to low carb eating!

T2 runs on both sides of my family and my paternal grandparents were blind, had lost limbs and had heart disease from it. My father has been suffering for years too. As I see him on a ton of medications and in pain, trying to survive a recent heart attack, I am so thankful I found Keto/Paleo/low carb, even though I do opt to have healthy carbs now, because I am just about 60 and I am on no medication for cholesterol, high blood pressure and other things that plaque my other relatives.

There is a group of people who genetically do end up with higher cholesterol on a higher fat keto diet, even if they are doing it correctly. If anyone is interested out there, look up Dave Feldman. He is an engineer who was a marathon runner and this happened to him. He is doing a lot of research with other scientists to try and help people who want to stay keto or just figure out how to live healthier with minimal medications.

DP. There are some people on diabetic boards who cannot believe that keto doesn't work for some diabetics.

Different people are different. Keto may be the answer for some people but not for most, including most diabetics.

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Anonymous wrote:Except no one can manage to stay on it. So…

Says who? that's quite the blanket statement. I know people who have adopted this as their regular way of eating, not a "diet". So....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think keto is FINALLY on its death bed. People no longer buy that "lose weight fast" BS. It doesn't work regarding weightloss, and it's terribly unhealthy.

Demonizing fat in the 90''s was idiotic, and demonizing carbs in the 2000's was equally moronic.

You’ve never tried it, have you?

I have--it's not sustainable. Hence why 99% of people gain the weight back, plus more.

You know what *IS* sustainable? No restrictions, eat less, move more. Lost a large chunk of weight and have maintained it for 5+ years.

Also no GI issues due to abundant fiber (ie, carbs)

How much less food, and how much more moving?

Eat less calories than you burn. Burn more calories than you eat. It's a simple math equation.

For me it amounts to exercising daily (beyond just walking), eating (real) dessert every day, eating out rarely, drinking rarely, and eating abundant fruits and vegetables.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something a lot of the anti keto people don't understand or refuse to consider: for those of us with a family history of severe Type 1 or 2 diabetes we cannot live a healthy life trying to process the overwhelming amount of carbs in the standard American diet. We have a metabolic condition and no matter how healthy wheat or oatmeal is for others, we cannot process large amounts of it and it ends up making us unhealthy. I am glad the medical community is waking up and finally paying attention to low carb eating!

T2 runs on both sides of my family and my paternal grandparents were blind, had lost limbs and had heart disease from it. My father has been suffering for years too. As I see him on a ton of medications and in pain, trying to survive a recent heart attack, I am so thankful I found Keto/Paleo/low carb, even though I do opt to have healthy carbs now, because I am just about 60 and I am on no medication for cholesterol, high blood pressure and other things that plaque my other relatives.

There is a group of people who genetically do end up with higher cholesterol on a higher fat keto diet, even if they are doing it correctly. If anyone is interested out there, look up Dave Feldman. He is an engineer who was a marathon runner and this happened to him. He is doing a lot of research with other scientists to try and help people who want to stay keto or just figure out how to live healthier with minimal medications.

Great analysis.

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Anonymous wrote:Except no one can manage to stay on it. So…

9 years now.... no problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think keto is FINALLY on its death bed. People no longer buy that "lose weight fast" BS. It doesn't work regarding weightloss, and it's terribly unhealthy.

Demonizing fat in the 90''s was idiotic, and demonizing carbs in the 2000's was equally moronic.

You’ve never tried it, have you?

I have--it's not sustainable. Hence why 99% of people gain the weight back, plus more.

You know what *IS* sustainable? No restrictions, eat less, move more. Lost a large chunk of weight and have maintained it for 5+ years.

Also no GI issues due to abundant fiber (ie, carbs)

It's a feedback loop actually. The number of calories burned is determined partly by how many calories are consumed. Also, metabolic conditions, such as hyperinsulinemia can mean you can't actually "burn" the carbs.

How much less food, and how much more moving?

Eat less calories than you burn. Burn more calories than you eat. It's a simple math equation.

For me it amounts to exercising daily (beyond just walking), eating (real) dessert every day, eating out rarely, drinking rarely, and eating abundant fruits and vegetables.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think keto is FINALLY on its death bed. People no longer buy that "lose weight fast" BS. It doesn't work regarding weightloss, and it's terribly unhealthy.

Demonizing fat in the 90''s was idiotic, and demonizing carbs in the 2000's was equally moronic.

You’ve never tried it, have you?

I have--it's not sustainable. Hence why 99% of people gain the weight back, plus more.

You know what *IS* sustainable? No restrictions, eat less, move more. Lost a large chunk of weight and have maintained it for 5+ years.

Also no GI issues due to abundant fiber (ie, carbs)

How much less food, and how much more moving?

Eat less calories than you burn. Burn more calories than you eat. It's a simple math equation.

For me it amounts to exercising daily (beyond just walking), eating (real) dessert every day, eating out rarely, drinking rarely, and eating abundant fruits and vegetables.

It's a feedback loop actually. The number of calories burned is determined partly by how many calories are consumed. Also, metabolic conditions, such as hyperinsulinemia can mean you can't actually "burn" the carbs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Except no one can manage to stay on it. So…

Says who? that's quite the blanket statement. I know people who have adopted this as their regular way of eating, not a "diet". So....

And nearly everyone that loses on keto gains it back. What is the stat? I thought I've read 90% gain back. Clearly for the vast majority of people it is not a sustainable mode of eating.