Ketogenic diet on Cleveland Clinic Journal volume 88.

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Anonymous wrote:Something a lot of the anti keto people don't understand or refuse to consider: for those of us with a family history of severe Type 1 or 2 diabetes we cannot live a healthy life trying to process the overwhelming amount of carbs in the standard American diet. We have a metabolic condition and no matter how healthy wheat or oatmeal is for others, we cannot process large amounts of it and it ends up making us unhealthy. I am glad the medical community is waking up and finally paying attention to low carb eating!

T2 runs on both sides of my family and my paternal grandparents were blind, had lost limbs and had heart disease from it. My father has been suffering for years too. As I see him on a ton of medications and in pain, trying to survive a recent heart attack, I am so thankful I found Keto/Paleo/low carb, even though I do opt to have healthy carbs now, because I am just about 60 and I am on no medication for cholesterol, high blood pressure and other things that plaque my other relatives.

There is a group of people who genetically do end up with higher cholesterol on a higher fat keto diet, even if they are doing it correctly. If anyone is interested out there, look up Dave Feldman. He is an engineer who was a marathon runner and this happened to him. He is doing a lot of research with other scientists to try and help people who want to stay keto or just figure out how to live healthier with minimal medications.

This the problem, not carbs. No one is getting insulin resistant, overweight, and diabetes from eating too much oatmeal, quinoa, farro, barley, apples, etc. The carbs that make up the "standard american diet" is fries, white bread, refined sugar, packaged treats and boxed foods. You don't need to cut out carbs, just garbage food

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something a lot of the anti keto people don't understand or refuse to consider: for those of us with a family history of severe Type 1 or 2 diabetes we cannot live a healthy life trying to process the overwhelming amount of carbs in the standard American diet. We have a metabolic condition and no matter how healthy wheat or oatmeal is for others, we cannot process large amounts of it and it ends up making us unhealthy. I am glad the medical community is waking up and finally paying attention to low carb eating!

T2 runs on both sides of my family and my paternal grandparents were blind, had lost limbs and had heart disease from it. My father has been suffering for years too. As I see him on a ton of medications and in pain, trying to survive a recent heart attack, I am so thankful I found Keto/Paleo/low carb, even though I do opt to have healthy carbs now, because I am just about 60 and I am on no medication for cholesterol, high blood pressure and other things that plaque my other relatives.

There is a group of people who genetically do end up with higher cholesterol on a higher fat keto diet, even if they are doing it correctly. If anyone is interested out there, look up Dave Feldman. He is an engineer who was a marathon runner and this happened to him. He is doing a lot of research with other scientists to try and help people who want to stay keto or just figure out how to live healthier with minimal medications.

This the problem, not carbs. No one is getting insulin resistant, overweight, and diabetes from eating too much oatmeal, quinoa, farro, barley, apples, etc. The carbs that make up the "standard american diet" is fries, white bread, refined sugar, packaged treats and boxed foods. You don't need to cut out carbs, just garbage food

I agree with you to a point. Again, for many people that is definitely the healthiest diet- whole foods. Which is what works for me, focusing mostly on meats, eggs, vegetables and berries.

But again, with my genetic disposition, my body cannot tell the difference between white bread, a packaged treat and oatmeal. Or orange juice. Or quinoa, etc. It doesn't say, "Oh, here comes some whole grain quinoa! Now this is healthy! So healthy" So if I overdue it on even those things, my body reads it all as sugar. And it spikes my blood sugar and then it drops, I get shaky. It's a constant roller coaster.

So even though I do add some healthy carbs in to my diet, they are minimal and planned depending on my workout schedule and believe it or not, my cycle too. Awesome for anyone out there who can eat whole grains etc. and it works for them and is healthy for them! But just not me and most people who are prone to diabetes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something a lot of the anti keto people don't understand or refuse to consider: for those of us with a family history of severe Type 1 or 2 diabetes we cannot live a healthy life trying to process the overwhelming amount of carbs in the standard American diet. We have a metabolic condition and no matter how healthy wheat or oatmeal is for others, we cannot process large amounts of it and it ends up making us unhealthy. I am glad the medical community is waking up and finally paying attention to low carb eating!

T2 runs on both sides of my family and my paternal grandparents were blind, had lost limbs and had heart disease from it. My father has been suffering for years too. As I see him on a ton of medications and in pain, trying to survive a recent heart attack, I am so thankful I found Keto/Paleo/low carb, even though I do opt to have healthy carbs now, because I am just about 60 and I am on no medication for cholesterol, high blood pressure and other things that plaque my other relatives.

There is a group of people who genetically do end up with higher cholesterol on a higher fat keto diet, even if they are doing it correctly. If anyone is interested out there, look up Dave Feldman. He is an engineer who was a marathon runner and this happened to him. He is doing a lot of research with other scientists to try and help people who want to stay keto or just figure out how to live healthier with minimal medications.

This the problem, not carbs. No one is getting insulin resistant, overweight, and diabetes from eating too much oatmeal, quinoa, farro, barley, apples, etc. The carbs that make up the "standard american diet" is fries, white bread, refined sugar, packaged treats and boxed foods. You don't need to cut out carbs, just garbage food

I agree with you to a point. Again, for many people that is definitely the healthiest diet- whole foods. Which is what works for me, focusing mostly on meats, eggs, vegetables and berries.

But again, with my genetic disposition, my body cannot tell the difference between white bread, a packaged treat and oatmeal. Or orange juice. Or quinoa, etc. It doesn't say, "Oh, here comes some whole grain quinoa! Now this is healthy! So healthy" So if I overdue it on even those things, my body reads it all as sugar. And it spikes my blood sugar and then it drops, I get shaky. It's a constant roller coaster.

So even though I do add some healthy carbs in to my diet, they are minimal and planned depending on my workout schedule and believe it or not, my cycle too. Awesome for anyone out there who can eat whole grains etc. and it works for them and is healthy for them! But just not me and most people who are prone to diabetes.

So you have diabetes? Honestly your post sounds all over and like you have psychosomatic symptoms. You eat any kind of car and you get shaky? You are prone to diabetes? What is prone to diabetes exactly? Perhaps you messed up your body so much with your eating habits that it truly goes into a shock when it gets a carb in. Kind of like how vegan might react when starting to eat meat first. Nothing to do with your prone to something or genetic disposition... rather you being OCD and creating problems when there are none.
Just answer this, do you actually have diabetes?

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Anonymous wrote:Except no one can manage to stay on it. So…

That is the big challenge right there

[Anonymous]

One word. Pancreatitis.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except no one can manage to stay on it. So…

Says who? that's quite the blanket statement. I know people who have adopted this as their regular way of eating, not a "diet". So....

The poor people who could not sustain it through the pandemic due to food shortages and high prices on meat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One word. Pancreatitis.

Ashton Kutcher got that on an all-fruit diet to such an extent that he ended up in the hospital.

[Anonymous]

Here’s a shocking but true revelation: no one diet will work for everyone. People metabolize food differently depending on their age, muscle mass, gut biome, genetics, pre-existing issues, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your GI system, from the top to the bottom is a lot healthier when whole grains are consumed. The fiber provided from fruits and vegetables is not
The same and while it is beneficial in different ways, the soluble fiber from legumes and whole grains has heath benefits you don’t get from low carb vegetables. Some oatmeal for breakfast a few days per week (hi oatmeal lady, love you), some quinoa with salmon and vegetables for dinner, a spouted whole grain wrap filled with Veggies and hummous…these things are GOOD for you. There is plenty of research on this. Eating carbs shouldn’t mean rice and pasta all day every day. But a couple servings of whole grains most days is definitely beneficial for all people and isnt what is making anyone obese

I love oatmeal. I love whole grains. But my GI system is definitely smoother when I’m off the grains. On grains I am more constipated and get mucousy stools. Off the grains and everything is smoother and better. I don’t eat only low carb vegetables. I just eat vegetables that I like: sweet potatoes, broccoli, green beans, tomatoes, eggplant etc etc etc. I eat beans. I eat chicken, fish, red meat, fruit. I don’t suffer from not eating grains. I do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Your GI system, from the top to the bottom is a lot healthier when whole grains are consumed. The fiber provided from fruits and vegetables is not
The same and while it is beneficial in different ways, the soluble fiber from legumes and whole grains has heath benefits you don’t get from low carb vegetables. Some oatmeal for breakfast a few days per week (hi oatmeal lady, love you), some quinoa with salmon and vegetables for dinner, a spouted whole grain wrap filled with Veggies and hummous…these things are GOOD for you. There is plenty of research on this. Eating carbs shouldn’t mean rice and pasta all day every day. But a couple servings of whole grains most days is definitely beneficial for all people and isnt what is making anyone obese

I love oatmeal. I love whole grains. But my GI system is definitely smoother when I’m off the grains. On grains I am more constipated and get mucousy stools. Off the grains and everything is smoother and better. I don’t eat only low carb vegetables. I just eat vegetables that I like: sweet potatoes, broccoli, green beans, tomatoes, eggplant etc etc etc. I eat beans. I eat chicken, fish, red meat, fruit. I don’t suffer from not eating grains. I do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a shocking but true revelation: no one diet will work for everyone. People metabolize food differently depending on their age, muscle mass, gut biome, genetics, pre-existing issues, etc.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a shocking but true revelation: no one diet will work for everyone. People metabolize food differently depending on their age, muscle mass, gut biome, genetics, pre-existing issues, etc.

+1,000,000

But how do you figure out which one works for you?