Rs are terminally out of touch with normal people

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When the crazy Rs went too far for even darkest Florida

Eventually parents will have enough.

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Anonymous wrote:When even the R megadonors think that Rs are out of touch

https://www.thedailybeast.com/billionaire-ken-griffin-new-dont-say-gay-law-is-too-far-even-for-me?ref=home

Even for Republican billionaire Ken Griffin, Florida’s expanded “Don’t Say Gay” law is a bridge too far.

In a statement to The Harvard University student newspaper The Crimson, a spokesperson for the GOP megadonor said he opposes the new regulations, which bar teachers in all grades from delving into topics related to gender and sexual identity. Previously, the law only applied to teachers in third grade or below; Griffin endorsed those measures.

“Like the vast majority of Americans, Ken believes that discussions on gender identity and sexual orientation should be led by parents with their children at home, rather than by teachers in elementary schools,” the spokesperson wrote. “However, as a steadfast supporter of open discourse, academic freedom, and free speech, Ken disagrees with Florida’s recent rule extending the prohibition of classroom instruction on these topics through 12th grade.”

I’m not sure this is making the point you think it is. While Griffin opposes the new bill which extends to grade 12, he supported the bill when it extended to grade 3, as did a surprising large majority of Floridians. DeSantis may be overreaching here currently but this does not equate to the R platform being wholly unpopular or out of touch. Honestly if Dems want to play that card, they should focus on abortion where the R position is much more unpopular.

We are! And yes, this is making exactly the point I think it is. Rs have the opportunity to make inroads with popular (if loathsome) policies - ones I despise but I can see that plenty of Americans like. But instead of doing that, they grab that bag and run on down the road into utter crazytown. See also: 6 week abortion bans. They could have gone to 15 weeks or even 12 weeks, and really activated Dem voters but probably not have alienated too many Republicans. But nope! Why do the hateful but acceptable, even popular, thing, when you can take it to 11.

Pro choice Republican here. He WOULD have alienated too many Republicans. I would love a pro choice candidate, but know it’s not realistic.

So, you're willing to have women's blood on your hands in exchange for low taxes or whatever?

Sorry babe, you lost the right to scream bodily autonomy when your party forced health children, young adults and any person wanting to keep their job to be forced to put something in their body that neither stopped transmission or contracting a virus that primarily in affect the elderly.

The above comment just shows how out of touch republicans are with reality.

Too bad the people I know who have died from Covid aren't elderly, but we're mostly middle aged unvaxxed republicans.

https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/more-republicans-than-democrats-died-after-covid-19-vaccines-were-available

I don’t know anyone who died from Covid, so we canceled each other out. And funny how you didn’t address the forced vaccination of children and young adults.
But at the end of the day, I will fight for choice versus giving up bodily autonomy. And will not be a hypocrite while doing it.

And BS the junk article or “study” you pot explicitly states they did not have complete data or info on individual vaccination status which limited the ability to draw broad conclusions.
But did anyway.
Critical thinking is a virtue, try it sometime.

Way more than a million Americans died from Covid. I guess you are demonstrating how few people you know.

I and everyone else who went to public schools have been "forced" to get vaccines for decades in order to go to school. Also anyone in the military. You anti-vax people are nutsos. Go live in a walled-off commune amongst yourselves where you can enjoy your illnesses and plagues all by yourselves.

I vote to turn Florida into the walled off right wing commune. They are already over half way there.

Only if we grant DC statehood.

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Holy $hit. If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is. Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others.

I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.

I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe.

And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.

What does that video have to do with trans people?

You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate.

The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church. They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer. Why are all religious people supporting serial killers? You can’t pick and choose. You go to church, you support murderers.

Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know.

Christians go to church every week.

And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know.

Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks. If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors? I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b

False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA!

Why is this a false equivalence? Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these? Or are you just going to deflect? Because it's never about protecting the kids.

So, being trans or drag has nothing to do with exposing children to sexual activity right? So we can keep kids away from sexual activities involving trans and drag people, and that's not bigotry, because it is normal and desirable to shelter children from sexual things like strip clubs and fetish gatherings. Can we all agree on this, without qualification?

I agree, at least in nearly all instances. There have been examples of drag queens using DQSH for inappropriate purposes, but there are also many examples of straight men using children’s activities for inappropriate purposes, so I don’t think it’s fair to tar all drag queens that way.

My issue with DQSH is that it teaches children, particularly girls, that mocking women and particularly women’s physical appearances is acceptable behavior by men. Drag degrades women. DQSH is deeply regressive sexism at heart and I do not think it’s healthy for children, especially girls. It teaches girls that mocking women for being women, particularly older women, is fine so long as men are doing it.

If it were only straight men who were doing drag then perhaps you'd have a point. But as we all know, drag queens are typically gay men who likewise traditionally constitute an oppressed group of people. And if you actually meet and talk to drag queens you'd see that they are not "mocking" women. That is a right wing talking point. It is on you if you think that a drag queen is "mocking" women.

Also I think it's telling that people like you never bring up women who dress in a stereotypical masculine way. Is that "mocking" men? And many women performers adopt a kind of "drag queen" persona. Just look at Dolly Parton.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/the-joy-of-drag

What a misogynist apologist you are. You get every point wrong here in your desperate attempt to justify sexism because a group you like is perpetrating it.

I don’t care what drag queens think they are doing. I care what they are doing, which is mocking an oppressed group. It’s punching down. It does not matter to me that they are gay men. They are still men and in a patriarchal, misogynist society, they still hold power over women. That is in fact why you rarely see drag kings; they are punching up, so they aren’t as popular. Or are you okay if other marginalized groups wear the logo of the Washington team, because their being marginalized excuses the racism? Does being part of one marginalized group excuse their racism against another to you? Or do you only expect women to absorb misogyny because it is perpetuated by a marginalized group?

I am a woman, I can identify mocking from men when I see it. Or are you going to gaslight me and say that actually only men get to define when sexism happens? That would be in keeping with your world view, I suppose.

As for women who rock a drag queen look, they are actually women and what is mockery and insult from men is showing power as women. Dolly Parton is being herself when she dresses the way she does.

Tell me, are you okay with a bunch of white people dressing as geisha girls for fun? Or as Native Americans? Do you celebrate the Washington team’s mascot? Because all of that’s no different than drag. The only difference is that you like the group that does drag, and want to excuse the vicious sexism and misogyny behind drag.

It's you who think what drag queens do is mocking. It's all on YOU. I'm a woman who rejects most of the stereotypical female look (done hair, nails, makeup, dresses, heels) but I have no problem with people who take it on.

I personally think RuPaul is stunning when in drag. He is just being himself and he is beautiful.

And I don't think for 2 seconds that you care about actual sexism. Let's hear some of your other political positions and which feminist thinkers most influences your beliefs about gender inequality.

You didn’t answer any of my questions, I assume because you are okay with all the scenarios I laid out. I’m not okay with any of them, but as you are okay with excusing misogyny I assume you are also okay with excusing racism.

I’ll give you my list of go-to feminist scholars after you answer my questions, not that I expect you’ve read or understood any of the scholars.

My other political positions: pro gun-control, pro legal immigration, pro public education (but not exposing elementary students to graphic sexual material), pro environment, generally pro labor but not when labor embraces sexism (e.g. not advocating on behalf of childcare workers).

You know no matter how much you debase yourself to gain favor from men, misogyny doesn’t go away? You can pretend the sexism in drag isn’t there because you want to be a pick-me, but it doesn’t erase it.

You're a conservative in drag as a liberal. Ha ha. Enjoying your persona?

You sound old.

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Target share price is now at its lowest in 5 years. Why? All the normies love satanic trans slogans. It doesn't make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Target share price is now at its lowest in 5 years. Why? All the normies love satanic trans slogans. It doesn't make sense.

Normal people aren’t watching Target’s stock price and rubbing their hands over it dropping. They’re wondering if they can affordeye drops at Target that their doctor prescribed. You all keep on telling on yourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Target stock has hit the lowest price in 3 years. Explanation?

I find it astounding that the exact same people who try to reason with logic of "guns don't kill" are out there at Target screaming "t-shirts with rainbows will make kids gay"

How does that "it can't do anything on its own" logic break for you?

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Anonymous wrote:Target share price is now at its lowest in 5 years. Why? All the normies love satanic trans slogans. It doesn't make sense.

Normal people aren’t watching Target’s stock price and rubbing their hands over it dropping. They’re wondering if they can affordeye drops at Target that their doctor prescribed. You all keep on telling on yourselves.

This. Most normal people don't care about stuff they aren't planning to buy anyhow.

They do care that the GOP hates women and hates the environment (pipeline going thru Virginia, thanks GOP!) and doesn't give a crap if people can't afford food and housing. They just want tax cuts for billionaires.

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Anonymous wrote:When even the R megadonors think that Rs are out of touch

https://www.thedailybeast.com/billionaire-ken-griffin-new-dont-say-gay-law-is-too-far-even-for-me?ref=home

Even for Republican billionaire Ken Griffin, Florida’s expanded “Don’t Say Gay” law is a bridge too far.

In a statement to The Harvard University student newspaper The Crimson, a spokesperson for the GOP megadonor said he opposes the new regulations, which bar teachers in all grades from delving into topics related to gender and sexual identity. Previously, the law only applied to teachers in third grade or below; Griffin endorsed those measures.

“Like the vast majority of Americans, Ken believes that discussions on gender identity and sexual orientation should be led by parents with their children at home, rather than by teachers in elementary schools,” the spokesperson wrote. “However, as a steadfast supporter of open discourse, academic freedom, and free speech, Ken disagrees with Florida’s recent rule extending the prohibition of classroom instruction on these topics through 12th grade.”

I’m not sure this is making the point you think it is. While Griffin opposes the new bill which extends to grade 12, he supported the bill when it extended to grade 3, as did a surprising large majority of Floridians. DeSantis may be overreaching here currently but this does not equate to the R platform being wholly unpopular or out of touch. Honestly if Dems want to play that card, they should focus on abortion where the R position is much more unpopular.

We are! And yes, this is making exactly the point I think it is. Rs have the opportunity to make inroads with popular (if loathsome) policies - ones I despise but I can see that plenty of Americans like. But instead of doing that, they grab that bag and run on down the road into utter crazytown. See also: 6 week abortion bans. They could have gone to 15 weeks or even 12 weeks, and really activated Dem voters but probably not have alienated too many Republicans. But nope! Why do the hateful but acceptable, even popular, thing, when you can take it to 11.

Pro choice Republican here. He WOULD have alienated too many Republicans. I would love a pro choice candidate, but know it’s not realistic.

Plus a million. Literally the only two issues with which I even partially agree with Dems are abortion (within reason, no late term BS) and some gun control (also within reason, automatics be gone, mental health checks and wait periods must be required). Sadly, the rest of the Dem platform is beyond the pale and has verged into bizarro world. Criminals are the new victims, police are bad, success and hard work are now evil, men are the new women, mangling the English language over pronouns (“they” is plural FFS), the nuclear family is considered “privelege” Out of control immigration and crime ruining our cities, open borders leading to a fentenal crisis of epic proportion killing kids everywhere, use of the FBI, IRS, DOJ and the media to suppress investigations and free speech, riots destruction and theft are just fine, mentally ill homeless have the right to camp out on your doorstep to shoot up and ruin parks/public transit instead of forcing them into shelters and programs for help, veterans are being displaced out of homeless shelters in favor of illegal immigrants. And that’s just the beginning. In fact, the title of this entire thread is an epic example of has lighting. It makes me sad the author even believes his own BS. I want to vote Dem on those two issues but just can’t because they are dismantling the notion of a peaceful society. Depressing.

THIS is the comment I meant to quote. My moderate D and independent friends are all scratching their heads and wondering when the Democratic Party lost its way on so so many issues. At first they deflected and acted like it wasn’t really true. The biggest losers are the refusal to deal with crime and the trans issue. Most people view gay people and trans people as completely different things. And all of my friends support the equality for homosexuality that we now have in marriage and so many other aspects of life. But trans—- no. Not the same. Just isn’t.

Couldn't agree more and I think the silent majority feel the same way on these issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Target stock has hit the lowest price in 3 years. Explanation?

I find it astounding that the exact same people who try to reason with logic of "guns don't kill" are out there at Target screaming "t-shirts with rainbows will make kids gay"

How does that "it can't do anything on its own" logic break for you?

No one is saying that. Gay and trans are totally different things. This isn't about gay people.

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Anonymous wrote:Target share price is now at its lowest in 5 years. Why? All the normies love satanic trans slogans. It doesn't make sense.

Normal people aren’t watching Target’s stock price and rubbing their hands over it dropping. They’re wondering if they can affordeye drops at Target that their doctor prescribed. You all keep on telling on yourselves.

This is inconsistent with DCUMs stance that Republicans are all poor. You need to pick a stance and stick with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Target share price is now at its lowest in 5 years. Why? All the normies love satanic trans slogans. It doesn't make sense.

Normal people aren’t watching Target’s stock price and rubbing their hands over it dropping. They’re wondering if they can afford eye drops at Target that their doctor prescribed. You all keep on telling on yourselves.

This is inconsistent with DCUMs stance that Republicans are all poor. You need to pick a stance and stick with it.

No one thinks Republicans are all poor and even if I did that has nothing to do with what I posted.

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Anonymous wrote:Target share price is now at its lowest in 5 years. Why? All the normies love satanic trans slogans. It doesn't make sense.

Normal people aren’t watching Target’s stock price and rubbing their hands over it dropping. They’re wondering if they can afford eye drops at Target that their doctor prescribed. You all keep on telling on yourselves.

This is inconsistent with DCUMs stance that Republicans are all poor. You need to pick a stance and stick with it.

No one thinks Republicans are all poor and even if I did that has nothing to do with what I posted.

Ok, so what I've learned in this thread is that the leftist position is that the boycott is ineffective because normal people are rushing out to buy all the controversial merchandise.

Now, as Target has lost $14B in market cap-- 5B more than when this thread started-- I'm seeing that mantra repeated less often. Now, if we notice that Target has lost $14B, then we are weird, because normal people don't follow financial markets because they are too poor.

Neither of these seem persuasive. Lots of normal people have some level of exposure to the news, and will notice that the leftist insistence that the boycott isn't working seems unlikely to be true. It also seems that the thesis of this thread, that Rs are terminally out of touch and that the "ineffective" boycott is proof of this, is not really holding up well as this drags out and the stock has not yet leveled out. Given all these facts, the OPs argument is invalid.

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Anonymous wrote:Target stock has hit the lowest price in 3 years. Explanation?

I find it astounding that the exact same people who try to reason with logic of "guns don't kill" are out there at Target screaming "t-shirts with rainbows will make kids gay"

How does that "it can't do anything on its own" logic break for you?

No one is saying that. Gay and trans are totally different things. This isn't about gay people.

Okaayyyyy... if you say so. So instead, you're saying you think an inanimate object, a rainbow t shirt will somehow make kids trans?

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Anonymous wrote:Target share price is now at its lowest in 5 years. Why? All the normies love satanic trans slogans. It doesn't make sense.

Normal people aren’t watching Target’s stock price and rubbing their hands over it dropping. They’re wondering if they can afford eye drops at Target that their doctor prescribed. You all keep on telling on yourselves.

This is inconsistent with DCUMs stance that Republicans are all poor. You need to pick a stance and stick with it.

No one thinks Republicans are all poor and even if I did that has nothing to do with what I posted.

You may not believe that, but the common theme on this board is that Republicans are all poor and view Trump as an aspirational wealthy figure, which is the reason for his appeal. As most Ds read this, I'm sure they envision me as a pot bellied construction worker whose finest academic achievement was reading most of To Kill A Mockingbird in 8th grade, and that I push aside the overgrown bangs of my mullet to read this forum while shaking my fist in the air and yelling about gay people. And I would argue *that* perception is out of touch.

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Anonymous wrote:Target stock has hit the lowest price in 3 years. Explanation?

I find it astounding that the exact same people who try to reason with logic of "guns don't kill" are out there at Target screaming "t-shirts with rainbows will make kids gay"

How does that "it can't do anything on its own" logic break for you?

No one is saying that. Gay and trans are totally different things. This isn't about gay people.

Okaayyyyy... if you say so. So instead, you're saying you think an inanimate object, a rainbow t shirt will somehow make kids trans?

No. You're missing the point on several levels. Go read about the concerns. If you can't articulate a position in a way that people who believe that position can agree with, you don't really understand the position.