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Holy $hit.  If this isn’t grossly out of touch with “normal people,” I don’t know what is.  Liberals - take some ownership here instead of constantly projecting onto others. [/quote]
I notice too, that our trans individual on this forum, has not done lengthy commentary on this post, as his his/her custom on other posts.

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I suspect this stuff is crazy to the average trans person too. I know trans people and I can't know what is going on inside their heads, but I would be shocked if they endorsed puppy play and naked spanking in front of kids. I just plain don't believe most people, including teans people, are this fringe. [/quote]

And yet there it is, on video, at a pride parade. With kids.[/quote]

What does that video have to do with trans people?  [/quote]

You can’t cherry-pick. It’s a pride parade with inappropriate (and I’m being kind) behavior being demonstrated in front of little children. I’ve been to pride parades in P-town and the way little children are used on those floats is very offensive. I don’t care what adults do, but involving kids in these manners is wholly inappropriate. [/quote]

The BTK killer is a white cishet man that was very religious and integrated into his church.  They found him because the floppy was traced back to the church computer.  Why are all religious people supporting serial killers?  You can’t pick and choose.  You go to church, you support murderers.[/quote]

Again, it’s a LGBTQ pride parade. When a Catholic Church holds parades celebrating murderers, please let me know. [/quote]

Christians go to church every week.[/quote]

And when they have a Christian pride parade that celebrates murderers openly complete with mock murder demonstrations of kids, please let me know. [/quote]

Not sure about murderers, but Christians sure do have a lot of child predators in their ranks.  If we are serious about protecting children, shouldn't Congress be creating laws that ban children from being alone with priests and youth pastors?  I mean from reading these, it seems that church is a wholly inappropriate place for children to be:

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article269943867.html#
https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html
https://apnews.com/article/catholic-clergy-sexual-abuse-illinois-investigation-a298133cec9486c2e51172316bfe7b4b

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False equivalence. And nice try switching the subject away. There are many child predators at the border in the cartels, so by your logic, all immigration should be stopped and we should build the wall. MAGA![/quote]

Why is this a false equivalence?  Because it doesn't suit your fictious narrative that trans and drag queens are the leading cause of sexual abuse for children?

There's more bad news too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-lawmakers-reject-bill-set-minimum-marriage-age-n1013356
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-congress-blocks-bill-end-child-marriage-1348919
https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501
https://apnews.com/article/sex-abuse-catholic-church-mormon-5d78129a2fe666159a22ce71323f6da3
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-church-lawsuit/seventh-day-adventist-church-sued-over-allegations-of-abuse-in-youth-program-idUSKBN0GR02J20140827

Care to respond to these?  Or are you just going to deflect?  Because it's never about protecting the kids.  [/quote]

So, being trans or drag has nothing to do with exposing children to sexual activity right? So we can keep kids away from sexual activities involving trans and drag people, and that's not bigotry, because it is normal and desirable to shelter children from sexual things like strip clubs and fetish gatherings. Can we all agree on this, without qualification? [/quote]

I agree, at least in nearly all instances. There have been examples of drag queens using DQSH for inappropriate purposes, but there are also many examples of straight men using children’s activities for inappropriate purposes, so I don’t think it’s fair to tar all drag queens that way.

My issue with DQSH is that it teaches children, particularly girls, that mocking women and particularly women’s physical appearances is acceptable behavior by men. Drag degrades women. DQSH is deeply regressive sexism at heart and I do not think it’s healthy for children, especially girls. It teaches girls that mocking women for being women, particularly older women, is fine so long as men are doing it. [/quote]

If it were only straight men who were doing drag then perhaps you'd have a point. But as we all know, drag queens are typically gay men who likewise traditionally constitute an oppressed group of people. And if you actually meet and talk to drag queens you'd see that they are not "mocking" women. That is a right wing talking point. It is on you if you think that a drag queen is "mocking" women.

Also I think it's telling that people like you never bring up women who dress in a stereotypical masculine way. Is that "mocking" men? And many women performers adopt a kind of "drag queen" persona. Just look at Dolly Parton.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/the-joy-of-drag[/quote]

What a misogynist apologist you are. You get every point wrong here in your desperate attempt to justify sexism because a group you like is perpetrating it.

I don’t care what drag queens [b]think[/b] they are doing. I care what they [b]are[/b] doing, which is mocking an oppressed group. It’s punching down. It does not matter to me that they are gay men. They are still men and in a patriarchal, misogynist society, they still hold power over women. That is in fact why you rarely see drag kings; they are punching up, so they aren’t as popular. Or are you okay if other marginalized groups wear the logo of the Washington team, because their being marginalized excuses the racism? Does being part of one marginalized group excuse their racism against another to you? Or do you only expect women to absorb misogyny because it is perpetuated by a marginalized group?

I am a woman, I can identify mocking from men when I see it. Or are you going to gaslight me and say that actually only men get to define when sexism happens? That would be in keeping with your world view, I suppose.

As for women who rock a drag queen look, they are actually women and what is mockery and insult from men is showing power as women. Dolly Parton is being herself when she dresses the way she does.

Tell me, are you okay with a bunch of white people dressing as geisha girls for fun? Or as Native Americans? Do you celebrate the Washington team’s mascot? Because all of that’s no different than drag. The only difference is that you like the group that does drag, and want to excuse the vicious sexism and misogyny behind drag. [/quote]

It's you who think what drag queens do is mocking. It's all on YOU. I'm a woman who rejects most of the stereotypical female look (done hair, nails, makeup, dresses, heels) but I have no problem with people who take it on.

I personally think RuPaul is stunning when in drag. He is just being himself and he is beautiful.

And I don't think for 2 seconds that you care about actual sexism. Let's hear some of your other political positions and which feminist thinkers most influences your beliefs about gender inequality.[/quote]

You didn’t answer any of my questions, I assume because you are okay with all the scenarios I laid out. I’m not okay with any of them, but as you are okay with excusing misogyny I assume you are also okay with excusing racism.

I’ll give you my list of go-to feminist scholars after you answer my questions, not that I expect you’ve read or understood any of the scholars.

My other political positions: pro gun-control, pro legal immigration, pro public education (but not exposing elementary students to graphic sexual material), pro environment, generally pro labor but not when labor embraces sexism (e.g. not advocating on behalf of childcare workers).

You know no matter how much you debase yourself to gain favor from men, misogyny doesn’t go away? You can pretend the sexism in drag isn’t there because you want to be a pick-me, but it doesn’t erase it. [/quote]

You're a conservative in drag as a liberal. Ha ha. Enjoying your persona?[/quote]

You sound old. [/quote]

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