Rs are terminally out of touch with normal people

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:third trimester abortions are a red herring - they ONLY happen in the absolute worst of circumstances and are VERY hard to access. The people having to get them are already traumatized, and it just adds to it to be made to feel like criminals

Costs of medical care? I mean, we have allowed the costs to skyrocket. Other first world countries seem to have figured this out. We know the answer, but no one is willing to do it.

I agree it’s a red herring. But people don’t like the concept.

I think by now most "people" are more worried about total abortion bans than they are about the extraordinarily rare cases of women terminating late pregnancies. I think stories about women bleeding out because they can't get treatment are more vivid and compelling right now, than the boogeyman of women deciding on a whim to abort a child the day before they'd otherwise have been born.

But you tell me - we all have our blind spots. Perhaps this is mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think both major parties are terminally out of touch, just in different ways. If you had to ask me what I think normal people care about:

- Some form of abortion rights but not in third trimester.
- Access to birth control.
- Generally pro-educator and pro-school but still somewhat frustrated about impact of school closures, worried about quality of education (perceived decline), and do not like interjection of teachers/administrators between parents and kids. Don’t want explicit sexual material in elementary and middle schools, but think book bans are stupid.
- Generally pro-labor
- Okay with some gun control like red flag laws and assault rifle limits but not full bans. Very upset and worried about school shootings and moving more towards hardened pro-gun-control positions.
- Think transwomen in women’s sports and particularly teen trans girls in teen girls sports is immoral, risky to the safety of the girls, and selfish. Skeptical about gender affirming medical care for kids. But also don’t think trans people should be discriminated against in jobs & housing.
- Worried about sharp increases in crime and homelessness/vagrancy.
- Are horrified by death of George Floyd and police violence, but also think “defund the police” is ridiculous
- Are very worried about cost of housing and medical care.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:third trimester abortions are a red herring - they ONLY happen in the absolute worst of circumstances and are VERY hard to access. The people having to get them are already traumatized, and it just adds to it to be made to feel like criminals

Costs of medical care? I mean, we have allowed the costs to skyrocket. Other first world countries seem to have figured this out. We know the answer, but no one is willing to do it.

I agree it’s a red herring. But people don’t like the concept.

I think by now most "people" are more worried about total abortion bans than they are about the extraordinarily rare cases of women terminating late pregnancies. I think stories about women bleeding out because they can't get treatment are more vivid and compelling right now, than the boogeyman of women deciding on a whim to abort a child the day before they'd otherwise have been born.

But you tell me - we all have our blind spots. Perhaps this is mine.

Honestly, I do think you have a blind spot, which is that you think Americans care deeply about whether women bleed out. The depressing reality is that I don’t think the average voter does. Now, I don’t think that third-trimester abortions are that much of an influence either — they are a red herring. But I also think that people are adjusting to life with no abortion in red states and it’s going to take a long time for that to change.

Yes, it is depressing.

[Anonymous]

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So glad I just sent their mail to my daughter straight to the trash

[Anonymous]

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I have a feeling he's going to get into the R primary in two months, and could end up winning it. He is someone who could actually win the whole thing, too. He's somehow managed to be extremely conservative on a lot of important issues - but also still stay palatable to people who hate MAGA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I have a feeling he's going to get into the R primary in two months, and could end up winning it. He is someone who could actually win the whole thing, too. He's somehow managed to be extremely conservative on a lot of important issues - but also still stay palatable to people who hate MAGA.

^ And I feel like I would have every moment of a Kemp presidency - but I don't think he'd put democracy at risk. So if you put a gun to my head (please don't do that) I would pick him over DeSantis or Trump. I don't think Kemp is an authoritarian; I just really really really strongly disagree with him about almost everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:third trimester abortions are a red herring - they ONLY happen in the absolute worst of circumstances and are VERY hard to access. The people having to get them are already traumatized, and it just adds to it to be made to feel like criminals

Costs of medical care? I mean, we have allowed the costs to skyrocket. Other first world countries seem to have figured this out. We know the answer, but no one is willing to do it.

I agree it’s a red herring. But people don’t like the concept.

I think by now most "people" are more worried about total abortion bans than they are about the extraordinarily rare cases of women terminating late pregnancies. I think stories about women bleeding out because they can't get treatment are more vivid and compelling right now, than the boogeyman of women deciding on a whim to abort a child the day before they'd otherwise have been born.

But you tell me - we all have our blind spots. Perhaps this is mine.

Honestly, I do think you have a blind spot, which is that you think Americans care deeply about whether women bleed out. The depressing reality is that I don’t think the average voter does. Now, I don’t think that third-trimester abortions are that much of an influence either — they are a red herring. But I also think that people are adjusting to life with no abortion in red states and it’s going to take a long time for that to change.

Yes, it is depressing.

I don't know. I think that the horrible lawmakers who passed the abortion bans don't care - but I think regular people do care. I could be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:third trimester abortions are a red herring - they ONLY happen in the absolute worst of circumstances and are VERY hard to access. The people having to get them are already traumatized, and it just adds to it to be made to feel like criminals

Costs of medical care? I mean, we have allowed the costs to skyrocket. Other first world countries seem to have figured this out. We know the answer, but no one is willing to do it.

I agree it’s a red herring. But people don’t like the concept.

I think by now most "people" are more worried about total abortion bans than they are about the extraordinarily rare cases of women terminating late pregnancies. I think stories about women bleeding out because they can't get treatment are more vivid and compelling right now, than the boogeyman of women deciding on a whim to abort a child the day before they'd otherwise have been born.

But you tell me - we all have our blind spots. Perhaps this is mine.

Honestly, I do think you have a blind spot, which is that you think Americans care deeply about whether women bleed out. The depressing reality is that I don’t think the average voter does. Now, I don’t think that third-trimester abortions are that much of an influence either — they are a red herring. But I also think that people are adjusting to life with no abortion in red states and it’s going to take a long time for that to change.

Yes, it is depressing.

I don't know. I think that the horrible lawmakers who passed the abortion bans don't care - but I think regular people do care. I could be wrong.

I agree with you. People are especially uncomfortable with child victims of rape being forced to carry their pregnancy to term and mothers bleeding out and potentially leaving motherless children. And millions upon millions of women have had the trajectory of their lives - happy marriages, financial head above water, beloved chidlren, great careers - saved by legal abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:third trimester abortions are a red herring - they ONLY happen in the absolute worst of circumstances and are VERY hard to access. The people having to get them are already traumatized, and it just adds to it to be made to feel like criminals

Costs of medical care? I mean, we have allowed the costs to skyrocket. Other first world countries seem to have figured this out. We know the answer, but no one is willing to do it.

I agree it’s a red herring. But people don’t like the concept.

I think by now most "people" are more worried about total abortion bans than they are about the extraordinarily rare cases of women terminating late pregnancies. I think stories about women bleeding out because they can't get treatment are more vivid and compelling right now, than the boogeyman of women deciding on a whim to abort a child the day before they'd otherwise have been born.

But you tell me - we all have our blind spots. Perhaps this is mine.

And OB/GYN practices in hospitals closing down and doctors moving out of red states because they are worried about being punished and prosecuted even if they try to save a life. So much right wing stupidity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:third trimester abortions are a red herring - they ONLY happen in the absolute worst of circumstances and are VERY hard to access. The people having to get them are already traumatized, and it just adds to it to be made to feel like criminals

Costs of medical care? I mean, we have allowed the costs to skyrocket. Other first world countries seem to have figured this out. We know the answer, but no one is willing to do it.

I agree it’s a red herring. But people don’t like the concept.

I think by now most "people" are more worried about total abortion bans than they are about the extraordinarily rare cases of women terminating late pregnancies. I think stories about women bleeding out because they can't get treatment are more vivid and compelling right now, than the boogeyman of women deciding on a whim to abort a child the day before they'd otherwise have been born.

But you tell me - we all have our blind spots. Perhaps this is mine.

And OB/GYN practices in hospitals closing down and doctors moving out of red states because they are worried about being punished and prosecuted even if they try to save a life. So much right wing stupidity.

+1

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/hospital-maternity-wards-closing-pregnant-213009270.html

Women who want to have babies aren’t going to be cheered by this. Birth rates among women who have a choice are going to tank.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a store owner defends himself against a criminal, Democrats want to prosecute the store owner. This includes Alvin Bragg in NYC.

Meanwhile Berkeley law hired Chesa Boudin.

+100

I think there is a fair argument to make that Democrats were pushing unpopular policies WRT crime for a few years - ones that were pretty out of touch. I think that's largely ended. Rs are still trying to argue that they're the ones who are tough on crime, while idolizing vigilantes who kill fellow citizens and while trying to put as many guns out on the street as possible. Dems seems to have learned their/our lesson about not being too extreme on the crime issue - Rs are still full bore ahead.

and yet

Thanks Joe!

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both major parties are terminally out of touch, just in different ways. If you had to ask me what I think normal people care about:

- Some form of abortion rights but not in third trimester.
- Access to birth control.
- Generally pro-educator and pro-school but still somewhat frustrated about impact of school closures, worried about quality of education (perceived decline), and do not like interjection of teachers/administrators between parents and kids. Don’t want explicit sexual material in elementary and middle schools, but think book bans are stupid.
- Generally pro-labor
- Okay with some gun control like red flag laws and assault rifle limits but not full bans. Very upset and worried about school shootings and moving more towards hardened pro-gun-control positions.
- Think transwomen in women’s sports and particularly teen trans girls in teen girls sports is immoral, risky to the safety of the girls, and selfish. Skeptical about gender affirming medical care for kids. But also don’t think trans people should be discriminated against in jobs & housing.
- Worried about sharp increases in crime and homelessness/vagrancy.
- Are horrified by death of George Floyd and police violence, but also think “defund the police” is ridiculous
- Are very worried about cost of housing and medical care.

+1.

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think both major parties are terminally out of touch, just in different ways. If you had to ask me what I think normal people care about:

- Some form of abortion rights but not in third trimester. the only time third trimester happens is when the fetus isn't viable or the healt of the mother is at stake. No one has an elective late term abortion
- Access to birth control.
- Generally pro-educator and pro-school but still somewhat frustrated about impact of school closures, worried about quality of education (perceived decline), and do not like interjection of teachers/administrators between parents and kids. Don’t want explicit sexual material in elementary and middle schools, but think book bans are stupid. School closures generally happened in 2020 when Trump was president. But at the end of the day, teachers were not willing to teach in person for fear of their own and their families at home's health. What choice is there?
- Generally pro-labor
- Okay with some gun control like red flag laws and assault rifle limits but not full bans. Very upset and worried about school shootings and moving more towards hardened pro-gun-control positions. This is the GOP stance. Democrats agree about guns for hunting and personal protection. It is really about assault weapons and background checks, which Second Amendment adherents oppose
- Think transwomen in women’s sports and particularly teen trans girls in teen girls sports is immoral, risky to the safety of the girls, and selfish. Skeptical about gender affirming medical care for kids. But also don’t think trans people should be discriminated against in jobs & housing. Literally fewer than 20 humans in the US where this is an issue. ALL of this rancor over 20 humans. Way overnblown
- Worried about sharp increases in crime and homelessness/vagrancy. crime nationally is down, and murder rates in most cities is down. Still a lot of work to do on mental health and drug/alcohol abuse as well as expanding housing units so more are available at an affordable price - GOP are generally opposed to public monines that go to these issues
- Are horrified by death of George Floyd and police violence, but also think “defund the police” is ridiculous the term 'defund the police' had a specific definition that mean things like no need to send armed police to calls dealing with mental health or other social issues. The terms was weaponized by the right. Very few ACTUALLY want to defund the police, and if you really want to get down to brass tacks, the right, when opposing federal spending bills, rae the ones actually defunding the police.
- Are very worried about cost of housing and medical care. Which the GOP have no platform or solutions for

So really, both parties are not really out of touch, just the GOP.