NYT article on LCPS high school re: racism

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Anonymous wrote:“ Are you willfully obtuse?! Several posters, including yourself, are defending this girl. You are desperately trying to shift the blame off her and anywhere else. The person responsible for this girl saying the n word is herself. She said it happily. She posted it on Tic Toc. Rappers didn’t make this girl say the n word. In fact you don’t even know if she listens to rap. All you know is that she uses a vile, racist slur in her daily vocabulary. She’s so comfortable using the word that she recorded herself and posted it for everyone to see.”

I’m not PP but you are treating this kid as if: 1) she was a grown adult when it happened and 2) she hurled the word as a slur to hurt someone. Neither is true. No one is saying it I just fine for her to use it. What many of us are saying is that kids do dumb stuff and this falls in that category - not the “she’s evil and deserves serious harm” category.

And i never said she was evil. However, unlike you and too many other posters I’m not giving her a pass and blaming everyone around her. She isn’t an 8 year old. She was 15 and that is old enough to understand the slur. The issue is she is too comfortable using a slur. Doesn’t matter in what text or tone. Is it ever alright to use a gay slur? Or an anti Semitic slur?

No it’s never ok. This girl was stupid and racist in 9th grade and and should have had serious consequences then. maybe she still is racist and stupid! but do you seriously want to kick all the boys, black and white, who have ever uttered the word f@ggot or made sexist, misogynist remarks in 9th grade out of college?

So suddenly at 18 she was no longer racist? Umm...ok...sure.

We should all be defined by what we do at 15?

If it’s throwing out racist slurs like money at a strip club. Then yeah. People don’t forget that. Just like adults don’t forget the people who bullied them in childhood.

She wasn’t using at as a slur. It wasn’t said to the kid who turned the internet mob on the girl. It was in a Snapchat convo to a friend.

Ok then replace the n word with anyone of the following...

“I got my license...f word (slur used to describes gays), r word (slur used to describe mental disability), etc.

the better equivalent is a boy saying “I got my license, beyotches!!” No way that would end up with being kicked off a college sports team 4 years later. Because everyone understands the difference between “beyotches” said in a joking way to address friends, and a man calling a woman a B in anger. Although sadly a boy probably would face no repercussions for that either ...

Disagree. If you can type out “beyotches” and not the other words then they aren’t on the same level.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

DP. Setting examples is what cancel culture is all about. You can’t simultaneously think it’s ok to hold
up individual private citizens for public humiliation and huge repercussions (job loss, etc) for what they say, and then also claim that public figures’ use of offensive language is somehow beyond critique.

Where have you been?! Plenty of white “celebrities” have been called out and canceled for using the n word. Even more the reason why this girl doesn’t deserve a pass. This isn’t new.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

Yes, I do get to have my own opinion and try to practice what I stated myself. If I don't want people to use God incorrectly, I try not to use him in vain as well. As another human being, I have the right to think that the black culture should clean up their own language in their music if they want to be taken seriously that they care about this issue beyond just playing a victim.

So black rappers represent all black people to you? Does this mean Donald Trump represents all white people?

DP. We here about white and black people as a group all the time now - as in “white women come get your people!” and “white men are responsible for Trump” and “black women are heroes.” the flip side of that kind of speech is conceptualizing a “black culture” that might have some agency in things like language in rap music.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

DP. Setting examples is what cancel culture is all about. You can’t simultaneously think it’s ok to hold
up individual private citizens for public humiliation and huge repercussions (job loss, etc) for what they say, and then also claim that public figures’ use of offensive language is somehow beyond critique.

Where have you been?! Plenty of white “celebrities” have been called out and canceled for using the n word. Even more the reason why this girl doesn’t deserve a pass. This isn’t new.

Ok then black celebrities can also be called out for using the n word (and saying disgusting things about women, which is frankly more of a concern to me in popular music.)

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

DP. Setting examples is what cancel culture is all about. You can’t simultaneously think it’s ok to hold
up individual private citizens for public humiliation and huge repercussions (job loss, etc) for what they say, and then also claim that public figures’ use of offensive language is somehow beyond critique.

Where have you been?! Plenty of white “celebrities” have been called out and canceled for using the n word. Even more the reason why this girl doesn’t deserve a pass. This isn’t new.

Please enlighten as to which celebrities got canceled for language they used when they were 15. You are an imbecile.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ Are you willfully obtuse?! Several posters, including yourself, are defending this girl. You are desperately trying to shift the blame off her and anywhere else. The person responsible for this girl saying the n word is herself. She said it happily. She posted it on Tic Toc. Rappers didn’t make this girl say the n word. In fact you don’t even know if she listens to rap. All you know is that she uses a vile, racist slur in her daily vocabulary. She’s so comfortable using the word that she recorded herself and posted it for everyone to see.”

I’m not PP but you are treating this kid as if: 1) she was a grown adult when it happened and 2) she hurled the word as a slur to hurt someone. Neither is true. No one is saying it I just fine for her to use it. What many of us are saying is that kids do dumb stuff and this falls in that category - not the “she’s evil and deserves serious harm” category.

And i never said she was evil. However, unlike you and too many other posters I’m not giving her a pass and blaming everyone around her. She isn’t an 8 year old. She was 15 and that is old enough to understand the slur. The issue is she is too comfortable using a slur. Doesn’t matter in what text or tone. Is it ever alright to use a gay slur? Or an anti Semitic slur?

No it’s never ok. This girl was stupid and racist in 9th grade and and should have had serious consequences then. maybe she still is racist and stupid! but do you seriously want to kick all the boys, black and white, who have ever uttered the word f@ggot or made sexist, misogynist remarks in 9th grade out of college?

So suddenly at 18 she was no longer racist? Umm...ok...sure.

We should all be defined by what we do at 15?

If it’s throwing out racist slurs like money at a strip club. Then yeah. People don’t forget that. Just like adults don’t forget the people who bullied them in childhood.

She wasn’t using at as a slur. It wasn’t said to the kid who turned the internet mob on the girl. It was in a Snapchat convo to a friend.

Ok then replace the n word with anyone of the following...

“I got my license...f word (slur used to describes gays), r word (slur used to describe mental disability), etc.

the better equivalent is a boy saying “I got my license, beyotches!!” No way that would end up with being kicked off a college sports team 4 years later. Because everyone understands the difference between “beyotches” said in a joking way to address friends, and a man calling a woman a B in anger. Although sadly a boy probably would face no repercussions for that either ...

Disagree. If you can type out “beyotches” and not the other words then they aren’t on the same level.

it seemed to have escaped your notice that I distinguished between “beyotches” and “B.” the parallel is really quite clear. the only reason B isn’t at the same level as the n-word is misogyny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really like this comment on the article from the NYT piece.

I was the target of anti-black racial slurs as one of the only black kids in my nearly all-white high school in the 90’s. I wouldn’t wish my experiences on anyone, but I still think it serves no purpose to premeditatedly ruin a single kid’s future over isolated adolescent behavior. Particularly because in her case, her sin was a moment of ignorance and insensitivity - something all kids are guilt of - rather than intentional malice. She was flippantly and ignorantly mimicking the chatter of popular music and culture, not actually using the slur on someone. This was not truly handled as a useful teaching moment. It reflects a descent into a new puritanism. As evidence, other bad and anti-social behavior kids and young adults do - including outright criminal behavior (look up Justin Bieber or Donny Wahlberg) - does not ignite the entire social media mob against them. This all could have been done in private, but because the intent was to shame, brand, and destroy, the kid who posted deliberately waited for the most damaging time, and after knowing where she was going to college, to do this. I think one day he’ll regret acting out this way. And I think one day we’ll look at targets of the social network mob the way we look at Hester Prynne in a Scarlett Letter. We now think of the social opprobrium that went with adultery as ridiculous, but any form of social dynamic that centers around this sort of shaming and lifelong public branding is just as barbaric.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

DP. Setting examples is what cancel culture is all about. You can’t simultaneously think it’s ok to hold
up individual private citizens for public humiliation and huge repercussions (job loss, etc) for what they say, and then also claim that public figures’ use of offensive language is somehow beyond critique.

Where have you been?! Plenty of white “celebrities” have been called out and canceled for using the n word. Even more the reason why this girl doesn’t deserve a pass. This isn’t new.

Please enlighten as to which celebrities got canceled for language they used when they were 15. You are an imbecile.

The imbecile would appear to be you as google is your friend. Also, Mimi didn’t get canceled when she was 15 you dolt.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Are you willfully obtuse?! Several posters, including yourself, are defending this girl. You are desperately trying to shift the blame off her and anywhere else. The person responsible for this girl saying the n word is herself. She said it happily. She posted it on Tic Toc. Rappers didn’t make this girl say the n word. In fact you don’t even know if she listens to rap. All you know is that she uses a vile, racist slur in her daily vocabulary. She’s so comfortable using the word that she recorded herself and posted it for everyone to see.”

I’m not PP but you are treating this kid as if: 1) she was a grown adult when it happened and 2) she hurled the word as a slur to hurt someone. Neither is true. No one is saying it I just fine for her to use it. What many of us are saying is that kids do dumb stuff and this falls in that category - not the “she’s evil and deserves serious harm” category.

And i never said she was evil. However, unlike you and too many other posters I’m not giving her a pass and blaming everyone around her. She isn’t an 8 year old. She was 15 and that is old enough to understand the slur. The issue is she is too comfortable using a slur. Doesn’t matter in what text or tone. Is it ever alright to use a gay slur? Or an anti Semitic slur?

No it’s never ok. This girl was stupid and racist in 9th grade and and should have had serious consequences then. maybe she still is racist and stupid! but do you seriously want to kick all the boys, black and white, who have ever uttered the word f@ggot or made sexist, misogynist remarks in 9th grade out of college?

So suddenly at 18 she was no longer racist? Umm...ok...sure.

We should all be defined by what we do at 15?

If it’s throwing out racist slurs like money at a strip club. Then yeah. People don’t forget that. Just like adults don’t forget the people who bullied them in childhood.

She wasn’t using at as a slur. It wasn’t said to the kid who turned the internet mob on the girl. It was in a Snapchat convo to a friend.

Ok then replace the n word with anyone of the following...

“I got my license...f word (slur used to describes gays), r word (slur used to describe mental disability), etc.

the better equivalent is a boy saying “I got my license, beyotches!!” No way that would end up with being kicked off a college sports team 4 years later. Because everyone understands the difference between “beyotches” said in a joking way to address friends, and a man calling a woman a B in anger. Although sadly a boy probably would face no repercussions for that either ...

Disagree. If you can type out “beyotches” and not the other words then they aren’t on the same level.

it seemed to have escaped your notice that I distinguished between “beyotches” and “B.” the parallel is really quite clear. the only reason B isn’t at the same level as the n-word is misogyny.

Yeah that’s why

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

DP. Setting examples is what cancel culture is all about. You can’t simultaneously think it’s ok to hold
up individual private citizens for public humiliation and huge repercussions (job loss, etc) for what they say, and then also claim that public figures’ use of offensive language is somehow beyond critique.

Where have you been?! Plenty of white “celebrities” have been called out and canceled for using the n word. Even more the reason why this girl doesn’t deserve a pass. This isn’t new.

Please enlighten as to which celebrities got canceled for language they used when they were 15. You are an imbecile.

The imbecile would appear to be you as google is your friend. Also, Mimi didn’t get canceled when she was 15 you dolt.

Np. Seems like you’re the dolt. The video was recorded when she was indeed 15.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

DP. Setting examples is what cancel culture is all about. You can’t simultaneously think it’s ok to hold
up individual private citizens for public humiliation and huge repercussions (job loss, etc) for what they say, and then also claim that public figures’ use of offensive language is somehow beyond critique.

Where have you been?! Plenty of white “celebrities” have been called out and canceled for using the n word. Even more the reason why this girl doesn’t deserve a pass. This isn’t new.

Please enlighten as to which celebrities got canceled for language they used when they were 15. You are an imbecile.

The imbecile would appear to be you as google is your friend. Also, Mimi didn’t get canceled when she was 15 you dolt.

Np. Seems like you’re the dolt. The video was recorded when she was indeed 15.

And wasn’t released until she was in college. Sooooo what age was she “canceled”? Hmmmm....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

DP. Setting examples is what cancel culture is all about. You can’t simultaneously think it’s ok to hold
up individual private citizens for public humiliation and huge repercussions (job loss, etc) for what they say, and then also claim that public figures’ use of offensive language is somehow beyond critique.

Where have you been?! Plenty of white “celebrities” have been called out and canceled for using the n word. Even more the reason why this girl doesn’t deserve a pass. This isn’t new.

Please enlighten as to which celebrities got canceled for language they used when they were 15. You are an imbecile.

The imbecile would appear to be you as google is your friend. Also, Mimi didn’t get canceled when she was 15 you dolt.

No, she got canceled when she was 18 for something she said when she was 15. Check your reading comprehension skills, moron.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

Yes, I do get to have my own opinion and try to practice what I stated myself. If I don't want people to use God incorrectly, I try not to use him in vain as well. As another human being, I have the right to think that the black culture should clean up their own language in their music if they want to be taken seriously that they care about this issue beyond just playing a victim.

So black rappers represent all black people to you? Does this mean Donald Trump represents all white people?

DP. We here about white and black people as a group all the time now - as in “white women come get your people!” and “white men are responsible for Trump” and “black women are heroes.” the flip side of that kind of speech is conceptualizing a “black culture” that might have some agency in things like language in rap music.

I wonder if you are teaching your children that they don’t have to worry about being racist since Black people have so much agency. 🙄

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

DP. Setting examples is what cancel culture is all about. You can’t simultaneously think it’s ok to hold
up individual private citizens for public humiliation and huge repercussions (job loss, etc) for what they say, and then also claim that public figures’ use of offensive language is somehow beyond critique.

Where have you been?! Plenty of white “celebrities” have been called out and canceled for using the n word. Even more the reason why this girl doesn’t deserve a pass. This isn’t new.

Please enlighten as to which celebrities got canceled for language they used when they were 15. You are an imbecile.

The imbecile would appear to be you as google is your friend. Also, Mimi didn’t get canceled when she was 15 you dolt.

No, she got canceled when she was 18 for something she said when she was 15. Check your reading comprehension skills, moron.

The moron is Mimi who used a racial slur. But she’ll be fine bc she will have people like you supporting her foolishness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow... that kid just torpedoed his immediate career prospects. So not worth it.

He is privileged as well.

Talk about a drama queen!