NYT article on LCPS high school re: racism

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Anonymous wrote:He looks like he might be half white. Does he have a white parent? If so is he allowed to use the N word? How much white in you does it become off limits?

Maybe read the article that’s the subject of the thread before you comment on it.

NP. Huh? I thought that he was 1/2 white?

Can he use the N word?

Does intersectionality have a solution?

White people are obsessed with being able to say the N-word. That's peak privilege. I am black. I don't say it. Even if I wanted to - I don't. Get over it.

I don't think anyone here is saying that white people (or anyone for that matter) should say that word. People just want clarification from the justice warriors on the rules, ok.

Then you aren’t reading the comments.

Please tell us the rules oh great woke one.

Aren’t any rules. Say and do whatever you want. It’s Thunderdome.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of shittiness in one setting -

1. Loudon is super racist. Always has been, likely always will be. The freaking town of Leesburg celebrates white supremacy!

2. White people can never use the n word under any circumstances. Ever. Even while singing songs with it. Skip over it. This is something every 5 year old knows, mini karen at 15 certainly knew it.

3. The boy here is absolutely a POS for waiting until mini karen was successful and doing NOTHING other than actually talking about a broader societal problem before basically slut-shaming her. He is the worst of this story, and hopefully he understands he's going to be streisand syndromed because of this after he graduates nowheres college.

Mini will be fine, she'll marry brad and change her name and probably get to write made up crap in the new republic in 5 years under her new name.

good recap except I extend more grace to the boy. he is not at fault really for the internet pile-on, and he can’t be held to unreasonable standards of conduct for a kid either. I’m inclined to feel like adults let both of them down - the boy by having to live in racist Loudon and the girl by allowing the incident to be amplified and the university for being more scared of social media than they should be. this was a good chance for the university to embrace the values of learning, growth, and anti-racism, but instead they caved.

I think the university was scared of being exposed for not having one person of color on the cheerleading squad in a state where 27% are non-white:
https://utsports.com/sports/2018/9/28/cheer.aspx

If they accepted another white girl - who also publicly post the n-word - it would probably open other cans of worms for the university. This was pure CYA.

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Anonymous wrote:He looks like he might be half white. Does he have a white parent? If so is he allowed to use the N word? How much white in you does it become off limits?

Maybe read the article that’s the subject of the thread before you comment on it.

NP. Huh? I thought that he was 1/2 white?

Can he use the N word?

Does intersectionality have a solution?

White people are obsessed with being able to say the N-word. That's peak privilege. I am black. I don't say it. Even if I wanted to - I don't. Get over it.

I don't think anyone here is saying that white people (or anyone for that matter) should say that word. People just want clarification from the justice warriors on the rules, ok.

Then you aren’t reading the comments.

Apparently the concept of proportionality has escaped you, moron.

Perfect example.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read that a full scholarship has now been arranged for the girl at another university, taking her remorse into account.

Jimmy will be lucky if he gets a gig playing Goofy or Pluto at Disney Land in full costume. A degree from Vanguard University isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

Probably the same rightwing dark money sources that funded the Covington kid's lawsuits.

10 bucks says someone is telling her she can become a rightwing media star for Fox or OAN.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read that a full scholarship has now been arranged for the girl at another university, taking her remorse into account.

Jimmy will be lucky if he gets a gig playing Goofy or Pluto at Disney Land in full costume. A degree from Vanguard University isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

Oh please do tell us where you read this.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

Yes, I do get to have my own opinion and try to practice what I stated myself. If I don't want people to use God incorrectly, I try not to use him in vain as well. As another human being, I have the right to think that the black culture should clean up their own language in their music if they want to be taken seriously that they care about this issue beyond just playing a victim.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read that a full scholarship has now been arranged for the girl at another university, taking her remorse into account.

Jimmy will be lucky if he gets a gig playing Goofy or Pluto at Disney Land in full costume. A degree from Vanguard University isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

Probably the same rightwing dark money sources that funded the Covington kid's lawsuits.

10 bucks says someone is telling her she can become a rightwing media star for Fox or OAN.

Yes, what you’d call the IDW has connections that will ignore a psychopath loser from Vanguard U.

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"Are we saying that 15 year olds can’t learn and change?"

Yep. Apparently plenty of PPs believe that - and that when she posted this summer in support of BLM that she was just lieing and was really the same "racist" person she was at 15 when she jokingly made the mistake of using a word used to refer to friends in plenty of teen music.

And since 15 year olds can't learn & change, 18 year olds definitely can't - I frankly would never hire this guy. His meanness & vindictiveness is not something I'd want on my team at work.

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Wow... that kid just torpedoed his immediate career prospects. So not worth it.

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I really like this comment on the article from the NYT piece.

I was the target of anti-black racial slurs as one of the only black kids in my nearly all-white high school in the 90’s. I wouldn’t wish my experiences on anyone, but I still think it serves no purpose to premeditatedly ruin a single kid’s future over isolated adolescent behavior. Particularly because in her case, her sin was a moment of ignorance and insensitivity - something all kids are guilt of - rather than intentional malice. She was flippantly and ignorantly mimicking the chatter of popular music and culture, not actually using the slur on someone. This was not truly handled as a useful teaching moment. It reflects a descent into a new puritanism. As evidence, other bad and anti-social behavior kids and young adults do - including outright criminal behavior (look up Justin Bieber or Donny Wahlberg) - does not ignite the entire social media mob against them. This all could have been done in private, but because the intent was to shame, brand, and destroy, the kid who posted deliberately waited for the most damaging time, and after knowing where she was going to college, to do this. I think one day he’ll regret acting out this way. And I think one day we’ll look at targets of the social network mob the way we look at Hester Prynne in a Scarlett Letter. We now think of the social opprobrium that went with adultery as ridiculous, but any form of social dynamic that centers around this sort of shaming and lifelong public branding is just as barbaric.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Are you willfully obtuse?! Several posters, including yourself, are defending this girl. You are desperately trying to shift the blame off her and anywhere else. The person responsible for this girl saying the n word is herself. She said it happily. She posted it on Tic Toc. Rappers didn’t make this girl say the n word. In fact you don’t even know if she listens to rap. All you know is that she uses a vile, racist slur in her daily vocabulary. She’s so comfortable using the word that she recorded herself and posted it for everyone to see.”

I’m not PP but you are treating this kid as if: 1) she was a grown adult when it happened and 2) she hurled the word as a slur to hurt someone. Neither is true. No one is saying it I just fine for her to use it. What many of us are saying is that kids do dumb stuff and this falls in that category - not the “she’s evil and deserves serious harm” category.

And i never said she was evil. However, unlike you and too many other posters I’m not giving her a pass and blaming everyone around her. She isn’t an 8 year old. She was 15 and that is old enough to understand the slur. The issue is she is too comfortable using a slur. Doesn’t matter in what text or tone. Is it ever alright to use a gay slur? Or an anti Semitic slur?

No it’s never ok. This girl was stupid and racist in 9th grade and and should have had serious consequences then. maybe she still is racist and stupid! but do you seriously want to kick all the boys, black and white, who have ever uttered the word f@ggot or made sexist, misogynist remarks in 9th grade out of college?

So suddenly at 18 she was no longer racist? Umm...ok...sure.

We should all be defined by what we do at 15?

If it’s throwing out racist slurs like money at a strip club. Then yeah. People don’t forget that. Just like adults don’t forget the people who bullied them in childhood.

She wasn’t using at as a slur. It wasn’t said to the kid who turned the internet mob on the girl. It was in a Snapchat convo to a friend.

Ok then replace the n word with anyone of the following...

“I got my license...f word (slur used to describes gays), r word (slur used to describe mental disability), etc.

the better equivalent is a boy saying “I got my license, beyotches!!” No way that would end up with being kicked off a college sports team 4 years later. Because everyone understands the difference between “beyotches” said in a joking way to address friends, and a man calling a woman a B in anger. Although sadly a boy probably would face no repercussions for that either ...

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

Yes, I do get to have my own opinion and try to practice what I stated myself. If I don't want people to use God incorrectly, I try not to use him in vain as well. As another human being, I have the right to think that the black culture should clean up their own language in their music if they want to be taken seriously that they care about this issue beyond just playing a victim.

So black rappers represent all black people to you? Does this mean Donald Trump represents all white people?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe white people still don’t understand why it’s not ok for them to use the word but it’s ok for black people. You really, really don’t see the difference?

No, I don't. I don't use slang words for my friends like cracker that other people find offensive. If you think other people shouldn't use it, don't use it yourself. Set an example. It's that simple.

So... you get to decide that other people need to “set an example?”

DP. Setting examples is what cancel culture is all about. You can’t simultaneously think it’s ok to hold
up individual private citizens for public humiliation and huge repercussions (job loss, etc) for what they say, and then also claim that public figures’ use of offensive language is somehow beyond critique.