U of St Andrews - Admissions per State

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Your math is not correct and these numbers are not validated.

How is my math wrong? The OP said that she obtained these numbers from her UK college counselor consultant. For the last 15 or 20 or 25 pages no one has questioned that until I tied them all together. Now all of a sudden the math is wrong? Please explain.

Well I haven’t been here for the last 15-25 pages. I have worked with multiple college counselors and their data is not always correct.

Your math is simply not correct. Even if those numbers were true, how did you get from yield to acceptance rate?

DP. If 471 enrolled and the yield rate was 33%, it means 1,427 were accepted. If that was out of 2,218 applications then, yes, there is a 64% acceptance rate.

Exactly. Your eighth grader can do this math. It’s not complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Your math is not correct and these numbers are not validated.

How is my math wrong? The OP said that she obtained these numbers from her UK college counselor consultant. For the last 15 or 20 or 25 pages no one has questioned that until I tied them all together. Now all of a sudden the math is wrong? Please explain.

Well I haven’t been here for the last 15-25 pages. I have worked with multiple college counselors and their data is not always correct.

Your math is simply not correct. Even if those numbers were true, how did you get from yield to acceptance rate?

DP. If 471 enrolled and the yield rate was 33%, it means 1,427 were accepted. If that was out of 2,218 applications then, yes, there is a 64% acceptance rate.

There is already accurate data earlier in this thread that comes from StA FOI requests. No need to be guessing or ansserting assumptions to fit an agenda.

No one’s guessing, we’re just pointing out that the people shouting “the math is wrong!” are not correct.

I’m not going to go through 28 pages to find whatever data you’re referring to, but feel free to share it again here if you have it.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

You state this so assertively and yet you produce zero concrete evidence that it is true. Like most things on DCUM, its just opinion and conjecture or rather, piss and wind.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

Why is everyone caught up in the US admissions process and acceptance rate?

The key message here is that St Andrews is on the same level as the Top 10-15 schools in the US, even though it has a lower bar of entry. If anything this should encourage you to apply to St Andrews.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

Why is everyone caught up in the US admissions process and acceptance rate?

The key message here is that St Andrews is on the same level as the Top 10-15 schools in the US, even though it has a lower bar of entry. If anything this should encourage you to apply to St Andrews.

No, it isn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

You state this so assertively and yet you produce zero concrete evidence that it is true. Like most things on DCUM, its just opinion and conjecture or rather, piss and wind.

3 4s on APs or a 1320 on the SAT ain’t getting you into the Ivy League.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

Why is everyone caught up in the US admissions process and acceptance rate?

The key message here is that St Andrews is on the same level as the Top 10-15 schools in the US, even though it has a lower bar of entry. If anything this should encourage you to apply to St Andrews.

Here are the top 15 USA universities. Which of these is St Andrew’s on the “same level” as?

Princeton
MIT
Harvard
Stanford
Yale
Cal Tech
Duke
Johns Hopkins
Northwestern
Penn
Cornell
Chicago
Brown
Columbia
Dartmouth

I’ll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

Why is everyone caught up in the US admissions process and acceptance rate?

The key message here is that St Andrews is on the same level as the Top 10-15 schools in the US, even though it has a lower bar of entry. If anything this should encourage you to apply to St Andrews.

Here are the top 15 USA universities. Which of these is St Andrew’s on the “same level” as?

Princeton
MIT
Harvard
Stanford
Yale
Cal Tech
Duke
Johns Hopkins
Northwestern
Penn
Cornell
Chicago
Brown
Columbia
Dartmouth

I’ll wait.

The bottom 7/8. How do I know this?

1) Look at other posts on this thread- parents have stated that their kids were accepted into those 7/8 schools and gone to St Andrews instead. I know multiple students in the same category myself.

2) I have personally worked with the top consulting firms (McKinsey, BCG, etc) they view St Andrews as equally prestigious to lower ivies. I even know partners at those firms who are St Andrews grads.

3) I have spoke to recruiters at investment banking firms in NYC and London. They are actively targeting St Andrews grads over US schools.

4) Look at the “graduate prospectus” category on the UK league tables, which are data based. The scores for St Andrews are about the same as Oxford/Cambridge/LSE. This suggests St Andrews graduates do very well.

I’m judging the school by academic caliber and graduate prospectus. Not laymen knowledge..

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

You state this so assertively and yet you produce zero concrete evidence that it is true. Like most things on DCUM, its just opinion and conjecture or rather, piss and wind.

3 4s on APs or a 1320 on the SAT ain’t getting you into the Ivy League.

That’s the minimum threshold to apply. If you read the criteria properly on the website, you’ll find that they require 5s on certain subjects depending on your major. I don’t want to get into which college is better, but the UK system works differently. We don’t have minimum threshold here in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

Why is everyone caught up in the US admissions process and acceptance rate?

The key message here is that St Andrews is on the same level as the Top 10-15 schools in the US, even though it has a lower bar of entry. If anything this should encourage you to apply to St Andrews.

Lol wild comments like this are exactly why people are caught up on the US admissions process and acceptance rates.

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St Andrews US yield rate is very telling. Its yield rate is on par with Wake Forest.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

Why is everyone caught up in the US admissions process and acceptance rate?

The key message here is that St Andrews is on the same level as the Top 10-15 schools in the US, even though it has a lower bar of entry. If anything this should encourage you to apply to St Andrews.

Here are the top 15 USA universities. Which of these is St Andrew’s on the “same level” as?

Princeton
MIT
Harvard
Stanford
Yale
Cal Tech
Duke
Johns Hopkins
Northwestern
Penn
Cornell
Chicago
Brown
Columbia
Dartmouth

I’ll wait.

The bottom 7/8. How do I know this?

1) Look at other posts on this thread- parents have stated that their kids were accepted into those 7/8 schools and gone to St Andrews instead. I know multiple students in the same category myself.

2) I have personally worked with the top consulting firms (McKinsey, BCG, etc) they view St Andrews as equally prestigious to lower ivies. I even know partners at those firms who are St Andrews grads.

3) I have spoke to recruiters at investment banking firms in NYC and London. They are actively targeting St Andrews grads over US schools.

4) Look at the “graduate prospectus” category on the UK league tables, which are data based. The scores for St Andrews are about the same as Oxford/Cambridge/LSE. This suggests St Andrews graduates do very well.

I’m judging the school by academic caliber and graduate prospectus. Not laymen knowledge..

Not even close to the top “7 or 8” in the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

Why is everyone caught up in the US admissions process and acceptance rate?

The key message here is that St Andrews is on the same level as the Top 10-15 schools in the US, even though it has a lower bar of entry. If anything this should encourage you to apply to St Andrews.

Lol wild comments like this are exactly why people are caught up on the US admissions process and acceptance rates.

OP justified their reasoning above. US acceptance rate does not equal to prestige/academic caliber for St Andrews. Getting into St Andrews as a UK student is actually more difficult than getting into some of the T10-15 US schools.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

Why is everyone caught up in the US admissions process and acceptance rate?

The key message here is that St Andrews is on the same level as the Top 10-15 schools in the US, even though it has a lower bar of entry. If anything this should encourage you to apply to St Andrews.

Here are the top 15 USA universities. Which of these is St Andrew’s on the “same level” as?

Princeton
MIT
Harvard
Stanford
Yale
Cal Tech
Duke
Johns Hopkins
Northwestern
Penn
Cornell
Chicago
Brown
Columbia
Dartmouth

I’ll wait.

The bottom 7/8. How do I know this?

1) Look at other posts on this thread- parents have stated that their kids were accepted into those 7/8 schools and gone to St Andrews instead. I know multiple students in the same category myself.

2) I have personally worked with the top consulting firms (McKinsey, BCG, etc) they view St Andrews as equally prestigious to lower ivies. I even know partners at those firms who are St Andrews grads.

3) I have spoke to recruiters at investment banking firms in NYC and London. They are actively targeting St Andrews grads over US schools.

4) Look at the “graduate prospectus” category on the UK league tables, which are data based. The scores for St Andrews are about the same as Oxford/Cambridge/LSE. This suggests St Andrews graduates do very well.

I’m judging the school by academic caliber and graduate prospectus. Not laymen knowledge..

Not even close to the top “7 or 8” in the USA.

The person provided 4 fair points. What are your counter points? Seems like you may fall in the laymen category