U of St Andrews - Admissions per State

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Your math is not correct and these numbers are not validated.

How is my math wrong? The OP said that she obtained these numbers from her UK college counselor consultant. For the last 15 or 20 or 25 pages no one has questioned that until I tied them all together. Now all of a sudden the math is wrong? Please explain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Your math is not correct and these numbers are not validated.

The applications and Enrollment numbers came from thr “freedom of information requests”in the UK. You can find it online (wheydotheyknow website). These numbers are factual.What is NOT factual is this PP math about admit rate. While she might be right, it not coming from the same source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

Not true at all. I know multiple US students at St Andrews that got into ivies/Northwestern.

The ignorance on this thread is astounding

yes. That my point as the PP above with my Dartmouth kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Your math is not correct and these numbers are not validated.

The applications and Enrollment numbers came from thr “freedom of information requests”in the UK. You can find it online (wheydotheyknow website). These numbers are factual.What is NOT factual is this PP math about admit rate. While she might be right, it not coming from the same source.

Well, the math is not very difficult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, assuming a 50 percent yield, which is assuming a lot, in 2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees. That suggests an acceptance rate of 50% if not more.

The reason why California and New York combined have 1/3 of the enrolled students is because the two states combined have about 1/5 of the entire US population. And the reason why there are so many from Connecticut is because of boarding schools. As for DC nobody from DC public schools is going to Saint Andrews — it’s rich people from the top private schools choosing to go after not getting into a top USA private university.

St Andrew’s is a good school for sure, but let’s not get carried away. It’s not in the same league as the top USA privates and isn’t nearly as competitive in admissions either — for American applicants at least.

What is your source for "2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees" ? Seems off.

St Andrews is definitely easier to get into for Americans, but very competitive for UK students. Graduate prospectus is very good. Brown/Dartmouth/Wesleyan are comparable.

My source is this very thread. The OP lists the number enrolled in the first page, and several pages later reports the number of USA applications for the same year. It's also reported on this thread that the yield (percent of accepted students who enroll) for USA applications is 33. I assumed closely to 50 percent to be conservative. If it's 33 then the admit rate is well over 50 percent. This is basic math.

Anecdotally, I know families in the DMV whose kids go there. They're not superstars, they didn't attend top privates, and they weren't accepted at anything near a top 25 in the USA. Smart and hardworking for sure. Just not elite level.

“My source is this very thread”

That’s not a real and reputable source..

You’re missing the point. St Andrews is easier to get in for Americans. UK students who are accepted/going to St Andrews would be able to get into an Ivy League school. You cannot judge St Andrews prestige by how easy it is for Americans to be accepted.

So the OP’s source was credible until you didn’t like when OP had to say? Then it became not credible? OK

No, I would consider the source credible if it came from St Andrews, the common app, UCAS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:my son will be applying to st Andrews and is 99% unlikely to apply to any other UK school.

is there any benefit to applying via UCAS? I sort of think applying directly shows more interest than UCAS or common app, but it's total speculation.

No. Apply direct. Not through UCAS or Common App.

thanks!

last question = if he applies early with a strong app (1560 SAT, self studied for APs and got 5s, high GPA) is there a chance he'll get admitted pretty early on in the cycle? or is all random?

this is a top 3 choice and it would be great to have an answer early enough he could skip all the safeties/targets on his list. he's applying for philosophy.

I’m sorry you got caught in the middle of a typical DCUM BS argument.

If he is only focusing on Single honors then he should hear within 2 months. That has been the experience of most of our friends. For Double Honors it depends on the other course. It could be a while. As a PP mentioned, these are reviewed by the faculty and not a centralized admissions person. For St Andrews the personal statement is a very important step. With your kid’s stats, a good personal stmt will get him there. Someone else mentioned applying direct if this is the only UK university he is applying to. This is a good idea. Things might have changed, but for a few years, you had more room in the direct application personal stmt than the UCAS one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, assuming a 50 percent yield, which is assuming a lot, in 2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees. That suggests an acceptance rate of 50% if not more.

The reason why California and New York combined have 1/3 of the enrolled students is because the two states combined have about 1/5 of the entire US population. And the reason why there are so many from Connecticut is because of boarding schools. As for DC nobody from DC public schools is going to Saint Andrews — it’s rich people from the top private schools choosing to go after not getting into a top USA private university.

St Andrew’s is a good school for sure, but let’s not get carried away. It’s not in the same league as the top USA privates and isn’t nearly as competitive in admissions either — for American applicants at least.

What is your source for "2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees" ? Seems off.

St Andrews is definitely easier to get into for Americans, but very competitive for UK students. Graduate prospectus is very good. Brown/Dartmouth/Wesleyan are comparable.

My source is this very thread. The OP lists the number enrolled in the first page, and several pages later reports the number of USA applications for the same year. It's also reported on this thread that the yield (percent of accepted students who enroll) for USA applications is 33. I assumed closely to 50 percent to be conservative. If it's 33 then the admit rate is well over 50 percent. This is basic math.

Anecdotally, I know families in the DMV whose kids go there. They're not superstars, they didn't attend top privates, and they weren't accepted at anything near a top 25 in the USA. Smart and hardworking for sure. Just not elite level.

“My source is this very thread”

That’s not a real and reputable source..

You’re missing the point. St Andrews is easier to get in for Americans. UK students who are accepted/going to St Andrews would be able to get into an Ivy League school. You cannot judge St Andrews prestige by how easy it is for Americans to be accepted.

So the OP’s source was credible until you didn’t like when OP had to say? Then it became not credible? OK

No, I would consider the source credible if it came from St Andrews, the common app, UCAS

The OP source came from St Andrews. The freedom of information requests come straight from the university. SO those enrollment numbers are 100% correct and easily verifiable if you just spend a few minutes on google.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Your math is not correct and these numbers are not validated.

How is my math wrong? The OP said that she obtained these numbers from her UK college counselor consultant. For the last 15 or 20 or 25 pages no one has questioned that until I tied them all together. Now all of a sudden the math is wrong? Please explain.

Well I haven’t been here for the last 15-25 pages. I have worked with multiple college counselors and their data is not always correct.

Your math is simply not correct. Even if those numbers were true, how did you get from yield to acceptance rate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

Multiple of my St Andrews classmates from America got into ivies (Columbia, Penn, etc).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Your math is not correct and these numbers are not validated.

How is my math wrong? The OP said that she obtained these numbers from her UK college counselor consultant. For the last 15 or 20 or 25 pages no one has questioned that until I tied them all together. Now all of a sudden the math is wrong? Please explain.

Well I haven’t been here for the last 15-25 pages. I have worked with multiple college counselors and their data is not always correct.

Your math is simply not correct. Even if those numbers were true, how did you get from yield to acceptance rate?

DP. If 471 enrolled and the yield rate was 33%, it means 1,427 were accepted. If that was out of 2,218 applications then, yes, there is a 64% acceptance rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Your math is not correct and these numbers are not validated.

How is my math wrong? The OP said that she obtained these numbers from her UK college counselor consultant. For the last 15 or 20 or 25 pages no one has questioned that until I tied them all together. Now all of a sudden the math is wrong? Please explain.

Well I haven’t been here for the last 15-25 pages. I have worked with multiple college counselors and their data is not always correct.

Your math is simply not correct. Even if those numbers were true, how did you get from yield to acceptance rate?

DP. If 471 enrolled and the yield rate was 33%, it means 1,427 were accepted. If that was out of 2,218 applications then, yes, there is a 64% acceptance rate.

There is already accurate data earlier in this thread that comes from StA FOI requests. No need to be guessing or ansserting assumptions to fit an agenda.