Magruder HS Shooting

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Anonymous wrote:Holding my breath on "this isn't the fault of others at MCPS." We need to know what other incidents the shooter had in school. MCPS has a history of giving violent offenders chance after chance. Just look at the Damascus football "ring leader." What's the status on the kids involved in the murder of the man during a drug deal at the Bethesda Target? I wouldn't be surprised if MCPS allowed at least one of those kids back on school property.

MCPS has a very bad track record regarding sexual assault, that's for sure. They don't take rape seriously, and it turns my stomach every time I think about what happened at Damascus and how that Principal did their best to muddy the waters. However a shooting is different. Someone nearly died (the nurse's quick action prevented that), and others were in danger. MCPS is forced, merely from a PR point of view, to take it more seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Terrifying. Definitely more scared of this stuff than Covid.

My 8th grader applied to the Aviation program there. Ugh.

My kid goes there. It’s a great school. I’m very appreciative of how the school staff handled this. They had to be the first responders and they did a great job keeping 1600 kids safe.

The thing is gun violence is up across the country. And much of it is among kids. It could happen anywhere, unfortunately.

This is bullshit.

My friends’ kids go there. It is a good school at its heart. The teachers in the aviation program are solid and committed. The principal is planning to retire in a few years; if this makes him move faster, then that’s not a bad thing.

I have no doubt that it’s a good school. I personally believe that it’s a good school.

What I find bullshit and unacceptable is blaming society. This was not a random mass shooting event. This was a direct result of the increasing number of guns that are being brought to schools and nothing being done to stop it.

A) Mass shooting events are not random. They are the result of breakdowns at multiple levels, societal and political.

B) No one has substantiated the claim that there are an increasing number of guns being brought to schools.

C) No one has substantiated the claim that nothing is being done to stop it.

This situation is awful, but if you are going to make a claim like "there are more guns in schools and no one cares" then you need to bring some proof.

Two times in 10 days THIS JANUARY a gun was brought just to Wheaton HS alone.
https://wjla.com/amp/news/local/wheaton-high-school-bb-gun-montgomery-county-police-loaded-handgun-marijuana-backpack-teen-student

Lying about this is depraved but I expect nothing less from MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:You people are freaking unbelievable. Stop discussing McKnight’s clothes and hair. These conversations are being stoked by MCPS to distract you from the bigger issue of how today was mishandled.

You brought up her hair. What is it about her hair anyway?

Read the thread. Probably 10 pages ago

Her hair has always been like that. It looks fine and normal to me.

Just stop talking about her appearance. This discussion is nauseating.

Nah. It's the cherry on the cake and underscores her total lack of competence. You don't arrive to a sad, scary scene where a child wad shot in pink leopard. You dress as if you are attending a wake. Muted and or dark colors. Nothing flashy or gaudy.
My father always kept a dark jacket and tie in his office Incase an unexpected client came by unannounced. It was a small thing to do but part of how he treated his position. With gravity and responsibility. It's part of "always be prepared."
McKnight is unprepared for her position in every way and it shows right down to the fiber of her clothes.

I thought people were mad because she was late and kept kids at school for her photo op. No one would have cared about her dress had she showed up much sooner and been actually helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:Terrifying. Definitely more scared of this stuff than Covid.

My 8th grader applied to the Aviation program there. Ugh.

My kid goes there. It’s a great school. I’m very appreciative of how the school staff handled this. They had to be the first responders and they did a great job keeping 1600 kids safe.

The thing is gun violence is up across the country. And much of it is among kids. It could happen anywhere, unfortunately.

At least parents are finally acknowledging this. I can't stand quoted parents after a school shooting 'I can't believe this happened here!' It happens everywhere Susan - in small towns like Sandy Hook, in the wealthiest public school district in Florida like Stoneman Douglas, and in middle of the road communities like Columbine.

This is complete bullshit. This incident is not a mass shooting event. This incident is the direct consequence of the increasing frequency of kids in MCPS bringing guns to school on a regular basis. That is not happening everywhere. Not even in DCPS. Just stop it. Blaming society for a direct failure of MCPS is inappropriate. In fact, if there is anything we want to blame society for, it’s the question we should address our local politicians of why we are seeing increased poverty in our schools and more criminal behavior. This is not happening in Howard County or Fairfax.

Trying to redirect the blame for what happened today on society and away from local leaders will only ensure that this incident will be the first of many more. If you don’t want that then people need to start taking responsibility and aggressively making change.

From a quick google search: https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/12/14/15-year-old-student-charged-for-bringing-loaded-handgun-to-reservoir-high-school-howard-county-police-say/?amp

I’m sure it’s happened in Fairfax, too. It happens everywhere.

No one has been shot in a Howard County school. No one has been shot in. Fairfax County school. No one has been shot in a DC school.

DCPS has metal detectors that prevent most weapons from getting inside schools. Kids do get shot just outside of school on a regular basis.

So you acknowledge and confirm that no one has been shot in a DC school.

It’s crazy how the talking points seem to cover that this is both a widespread societal problem and rare? Ya’ll need to pick. I’m tired of this crap.

Ya’ll is right, ain’t no black kids getting shot in DC. Crazy talk

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Anonymous wrote:No hate on the administration of Magruder. I’ve had only positive experiences with them. Students got home safely. I’m grateful.

Let’s be honest, Dr. Evans probably needs to retire.

I agree that apart from the nurse, the school administration panicked and was not able to think fast - otherwise the shooter would have been located much sooner. Everyone heard how panicked the Principal was over the PA. They're all very nice people, but in this day and age, you need people with cool heads in time of crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to the School Nurse. Read Ehrlich’s tweet sounds like she was great at her job as school first responder.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of Elrich, but his response was what I'd expect from a leader. McKnight's was not -- she didn't even acknowledge the nurse.

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Anonymous wrote:You people are freaking unbelievable. Stop discussing McKnight’s clothes and hair. These conversations are being stoked by MCPS to distract you from the bigger issue of how today was mishandled.

You brought up her hair. What is it about her hair anyway?

Read the thread. Probably 10 pages ago

Her hair has always been like that. It looks fine and normal to me.

Just stop talking about her appearance. This discussion is nauseating.

Nah. It's the cherry on the cake and underscores her total lack of competence. You don't arrive to a sad, scary scene where a child wad shot in pink leopard. You dress as if you are attending a wake. Muted and or dark colors. Nothing flashy or gaudy.
My father always kept a dark jacket and tie in his office Incase an unexpected client came by unannounced. It was a small thing to do but part of how he treated his position. With gravity and responsibility. It's part of "always be prepared."
McKnight is unprepared for her position in every way and it shows right down to the fiber of her clothes.

It was the pink color, not the fibre.

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to the School Nurse. Read Ehrlich’s tweet sounds like she was great at her job as school first responder.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of Elrich, but his response was what I'd expect from a leader. McKnight's was not -- she didn't even acknowledge the nurse.

Yes. Elrich is a clear thinker. She's not. The Principal of Magruder most decidedly is not.

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Nah. It's the cherry on the cake and underscores her total lack of competence. You don't arrive to a sad, scary scene where a child wad shot in pink leopard. You dress as if you are attending a wake. Muted and or dark colors. Nothing flashy or gaudy.
My father always kept a dark jacket and tie in his office Incase an unexpected client came by unannounced. It was a small thing to do but part of how he treated his position. With gravity and responsibility. It's part of "always be prepared."
McKnight is unprepared for her position in every way and it shows right down to the fiber of her clothes.

I completely agree. At the time, I'm not sure they knew whether the victim would pull through. Out of respect, she should have dressed in somber clothing and arrived on time. I will say that of the two, it would have been best to arrive on time, though!!! But she failed on both fronts.

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Anonymous wrote:Holding my breath on "this isn't the fault of others at MCPS." We need to know what other incidents the shooter had in school. MCPS has a history of giving violent offenders chance after chance. Just look at the Damascus football "ring leader." What's the status on the kids involved in the murder of the man during a drug deal at the Bethesda Target? I wouldn't be surprised if MCPS allowed at least one of those kids back on school property.

MCPS has nowhere to put them. They used to have a special school just for troubled students (Twain, in Rockville) and it was shut down to much fanfare so that the students could be reformed in the mainstream schools.

So now the only option is to transfer the troubled student to a new school and hope they behave. The Damascus ringleader was on his third school when that happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Holding my breath on "this isn't the fault of others at MCPS." We need to know what other incidents the shooter had in school. MCPS has a history of giving violent offenders chance after chance. Just look at the Damascus football "ring leader." What's the status on the kids involved in the murder of the man during a drug deal at the Bethesda Target? I wouldn't be surprised if MCPS allowed at least one of those kids back on school property.

MCPS has nowhere to put them. They used to have a special school just for troubled students (Twain, in Rockville) and it was shut down to much fanfare so that the students could be reformed in the mainstream schools.

So now the only option is to transfer the troubled student to a new school and hope they behave. The Damascus ringleader was on his third school when that happened.

Why don't they open up Twain again? From a psychiatric point of view, it seems best. There are some disorders that can't be mainstreamed easily, and not without a lot of supervision, which high schools don't have.

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to the School Nurse. Read Ehrlich’s tweet sounds like she was great at her job as school first responder.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of Elrich, but his response was what I'd expect from a leader. McKnight's was not -- she didn't even acknowledge the nurse.

Yes. Elrich is a clear thinker. She's not. The Principal of Magruder most decidedly is not.

I don't fault the principal on this. They're not all the way at the top. I expect leadership qualities like that from county exec or superintendent, but we have 150+ principals at MCPS, generally former teachers. They are not trained nor raised to be leaders at that level.

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Anonymous wrote:Terrifying. Definitely more scared of this stuff than Covid.

My 8th grader applied to the Aviation program there. Ugh.

My kid goes there. It’s a great school. I’m very appreciative of how the school staff handled this. They had to be the first responders and they did a great job keeping 1600 kids safe.

The thing is gun violence is up across the country. And much of it is among kids. It could happen anywhere, unfortunately.

This is bullshit.

My friends’ kids go there. It is a good school at its heart. The teachers in the aviation program are solid and committed. The principal is planning to retire in a few years; if this makes him move faster, then that’s not a bad thing.

I have no doubt that it’s a good school. I personally believe that it’s a good school.

What I find bullshit and unacceptable is blaming society. This was not a random mass shooting event. This was a direct result of the increasing number of guns that are being brought to schools and nothing being done to stop it.

A) Mass shooting events are not random. They are the result of breakdowns at multiple levels, societal and political.

B) No one has substantiated the claim that there are an increasing number of guns being brought to schools.

C) No one has substantiated the claim that nothing is being done to stop it.

This situation is awful, but if you are going to make a claim like "there are more guns in schools and no one cares" then you need to bring some proof.

Two times in 10 days THIS JANUARY a gun was brought just to Wheaton HS alone.
https://wjla.com/amp/news/local/wheaton-high-school-bb-gun-montgomery-county-police-loaded-handgun-marijuana-backpack-teen-student

Lying about this is depraved but I expect nothing less from MCPS.

Lets not forget about the gun at Northwood this school year as well. That’s just 4 guns this year alone. Is MCPS going to tell me that this is the normal amount of guns being brought to MCPS schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Holding my breath on "this isn't the fault of others at MCPS." We need to know what other incidents the shooter had in school. MCPS has a history of giving violent offenders chance after chance. Just look at the Damascus football "ring leader." What's the status on the kids involved in the murder of the man during a drug deal at the Bethesda Target? I wouldn't be surprised if MCPS allowed at least one of those kids back on school property.

MCPS has nowhere to put them. They used to have a special school just for troubled students (Twain, in Rockville) and it was shut down to much fanfare so that the students could be reformed in the mainstream schools.

So now the only option is to transfer the troubled student to a new school and hope they behave. The Damascus ringleader was on his third school when that happened.

Why don't they open up Twain again? From a psychiatric point of view, it seems best. There are some disorders that can't be mainstreamed easily, and not without a lot of supervision, which high schools don't have.

I agree, but it's not gonna happen. The reason is equity. What would happen is the majority of students that would end up there would be POC (never mind that MCPS student body is majority POC.. a fact also ignored when they cut SROs) and there would be accusations it's segregration, Jim Crow is back, and so on.

It means the only solution other than moving them to another school is RICA, which is juvenile jail (literally) and you end up there only after the court finds you guilty of a crime. There's nothing in between. Twain fit a nice gap but MCPS does not have the leadership to try it agian.

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Anonymous wrote:Terrifying. Definitely more scared of this stuff than Covid.

My 8th grader applied to the Aviation program there. Ugh.

My kid goes there. It’s a great school. I’m very appreciative of how the school staff handled this. They had to be the first responders and they did a great job keeping 1600 kids safe.

The thing is gun violence is up across the country. And much of it is among kids. It could happen anywhere, unfortunately.

At least parents are finally acknowledging this. I can't stand quoted parents after a school shooting 'I can't believe this happened here!' It happens everywhere Susan - in small towns like Sandy Hook, in the wealthiest public school district in Florida like Stoneman Douglas, and in middle of the road communities like Columbine.

This is complete bullshit. This incident is not a mass shooting event. This incident is the direct consequence of the increasing frequency of kids in MCPS bringing guns to school on a regular basis. That is not happening everywhere. Not even in DCPS. Just stop it. Blaming society for a direct failure of MCPS is inappropriate. In fact, if there is anything we want to blame society for, it’s the question we should address our local politicians of why we are seeing increased poverty in our schools and more criminal behavior. This is not happening in Howard County or Fairfax.

Trying to redirect the blame for what happened today on society and away from local leaders will only ensure that this incident will be the first of many more. If you don’t want that then people need to start taking responsibility and aggressively making change.

From a quick google search: https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/12/14/15-year-old-student-charged-for-bringing-loaded-handgun-to-reservoir-high-school-howard-county-police-say/?amp

I’m sure it’s happened in Fairfax, too. It happens everywhere.

No one has been shot in a Howard County school. No one has been shot in. Fairfax County school. No one has been shot in a DC school.

DCPS has metal detectors that prevent most weapons from getting inside schools. Kids do get shot just outside of school on a regular basis.

So you acknowledge and confirm that no one has been shot in a DC school.

It’s crazy how the talking points seem to cover that this is both a widespread societal problem and rare? Ya’ll need to pick. I’m tired of this crap.

Ya’ll is right, ain’t no black kids getting shot in DC. Crazy talk

That’s not how you spell “y’all,” Karen