U of St Andrews - Admissions per State

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Agree, thanks for pointing this out. Good school for sure but way overbought and overhyped on DCUM.

Don’t forget that yield statistic is only for US applicants. No way is it that for British students, although the yield stat is also irrelevant for the UK given the constraints on how many courses you can apply for. Aside from being limited to only applying for 5 courses, British students are not permitted to apply for courses if their predicted grades do not meet the course requirement.

I've been making very clear that we are talking about USA admissions statisitcs. Very. And this is a USA-based website without a whole lot of international participants. So you don't need to remind us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Agree, thanks for pointing this out. Good school for sure but way overbought and overhyped on DCUM.

Don’t forget that yield statistic is only for US applicants. No way is it that for British students, although the yield stat is also irrelevant for the UK given the constraints on how many courses you can apply for. Aside from being limited to only applying for 5 courses, British students are not permitted to apply for courses if their predicted grades do not meet the course requirement.

I've been making very clear that we are talking about USA admissions statisitcs. Very. And this is a USA-based website without a whole lot of international participants. So you don't need to remind us.

You may get this but others are inferring the US stats mean StA is a subpar institution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Agree, thanks for pointing this out. Good school for sure but way overbought and overhyped on DCUM.

Don’t forget that yield statistic is only for US applicants. No way is it that for British students, although the yield stat is also irrelevant for the UK given the constraints on how many courses you can apply for. Aside from being limited to only applying for 5 courses, British students are not permitted to apply for courses if their predicted grades do not meet the course requirement.

I've been making very clear that we are talking about USA admissions statisitcs. Very. And this is a USA-based website without a whole lot of international participants. So you don't need to remind us.

You may get this but others are inferring the US stats mean StA is a subpar institution.

smart people arbitrage their opportunities. full pay international kids get into a plenty of t20 schools based on money and "interesting background". Georgetown is a perfect example. Does that mean that Georgetown is seen as subpar from the POV of the international community. I doubt it and also , who cares?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:my son will be applying to st Andrews and is 99% unlikely to apply to any other UK school.

is there any benefit to applying via UCAS? I sort of think applying directly shows more interest than UCAS or common app, but it's total speculation.

No. Apply direct. Not through UCAS or Common App.

thanks!

last question = if he applies early with a strong app (1560 SAT, self studied for APs and got 5s, high GPA) is there a chance he'll get admitted pretty early on in the cycle? or is all random?

this is a top 3 choice and it would be great to have an answer early enough he could skip all the safeties/targets on his list. he's applying for philosophy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Agree, thanks for pointing this out. Good school for sure but way overbought and overhyped on DCUM.

Don’t forget that yield statistic is only for US applicants. No way is it that for British students, although the yield stat is also irrelevant for the UK given the constraints on how many courses you can apply for. Aside from being limited to only applying for 5 courses, British students are not permitted to apply for courses if their predicted grades do not meet the course requirement.

I've been making very clear that we are talking about USA admissions statisitcs. Very. And this is a USA-based website without a whole lot of international participants. So you don't need to remind us.

You may get this but others are inferring the US stats mean StA is a subpar institution.

smart people arbitrage their opportunities. full pay international kids get into a plenty of t20 schools based on money and "interesting background". Georgetown is a perfect example. Does that mean that Georgetown is seen as subpar from the POV of the international community. I doubt it and also , who cares?

Those full pay international kids are subpar. Georgetown is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Agree, thanks for pointing this out. Good school for sure but way overbought and overhyped on DCUM.

Don’t forget that yield statistic is only for US applicants. No way is it that for British students, although the yield stat is also irrelevant for the UK given the constraints on how many courses you can apply for. Aside from being limited to only applying for 5 courses, British students are not permitted to apply for courses if their predicted grades do not meet the course requirement.

I've been making very clear that we are talking about USA admissions statisitcs. Very. And this is a USA-based website without a whole lot of international participants. So you don't need to remind us.

You may get this but others are inferring the US stats mean StA is a subpar institution.

No, we understood it. But when 45% of your student body is coming through easier international channels, you’ve done it to yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my son will be applying to st Andrews and is 99% unlikely to apply to any other UK school.

is there any benefit to applying via UCAS? I sort of think applying directly shows more interest than UCAS or common app, but it's total speculation.

No. Apply direct. Not through UCAS or Common App.

thanks!

last question = if he applies early with a strong app (1560 SAT, self studied for APs and got 5s, high GPA) is there a chance he'll get admitted pretty early on in the cycle? or is all random?

this is a top 3 choice and it would be great to have an answer early enough he could skip all the safeties/targets on his list. he's applying for philosophy.

Yes, he will likely hear within a couple months of applying - if not sooner. It seems applications for joint honours can take longer to review, and then more borderline applications get held. There is also some variance in response time by field of study. My DC with similar stats heard back within 6 weeks last fall.

As I am sure you know, StA faculty drive admissions decisions for their course. Not AOs. Demonstrating commitment and applied aptitude in your field of study is important… which is refreshing in comparison to opaque ‘institutional priorities’.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, assuming a 50 percent yield, which is assuming a lot, in 2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees. That suggests an acceptance rate of 50% if not more.

The reason why California and New York combined have 1/3 of the enrolled students is because the two states combined have about 1/5 of the entire US population. And the reason why there are so many from Connecticut is because of boarding schools. As for DC nobody from DC public schools is going to Saint Andrews — it’s rich people from the top private schools choosing to go after not getting into a top USA private university.

St Andrew’s is a good school for sure, but let’s not get carried away. It’s not in the same league as the top USA privates and isn’t nearly as competitive in admissions either — for American applicants at least.

What is your source for "2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees" ? Seems off.

St Andrews is definitely easier to get into for Americans, but very competitive for UK students. Graduate prospectus is very good. Brown/Dartmouth/Wesleyan are comparable.

No way -- for American students, St Andrews is a MUCH easier admit than Wesleyan and a MUCH MUCH easier admit than Brown or Dartmouth. Great school, so smart Americans who get shut out of top US schools are wise to look there.

I believe OP meant comparable in prestige not acceptance rate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They want to see three 4s on AP exams and SATs above 1320 or ACTs above 28. I'm honestly surprised their minimums are this low:

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/subjects/entry/usa/

These are absolute minimums. Most people far exceed. Even Harvard will accept students with 1320 SAT if they are remarkable in some other aspect. I know people getting reject from St Andrews with 1500 SAT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, assuming a 50 percent yield, which is assuming a lot, in 2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees. That suggests an acceptance rate of 50% if not more.

The reason why California and New York combined have 1/3 of the enrolled students is because the two states combined have about 1/5 of the entire US population. And the reason why there are so many from Connecticut is because of boarding schools. As for DC nobody from DC public schools is going to Saint Andrews — it’s rich people from the top private schools choosing to go after not getting into a top USA private university.

St Andrew’s is a good school for sure, but let’s not get carried away. It’s not in the same league as the top USA privates and isn’t nearly as competitive in admissions either — for American applicants at least.

What is your source for "2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees" ? Seems off.

St Andrews is definitely easier to get into for Americans, but very competitive for UK students. Graduate prospectus is very good. Brown/Dartmouth/Wesleyan are comparable.

My source is this very thread. The OP lists the number enrolled in the first page, and several pages later reports the number of USA applications for the same year. It's also reported on this thread that the yield (percent of accepted students who enroll) for USA applications is 33. I assumed closely to 50 percent to be conservative. If it's 33 then the admit rate is well over 50 percent. This is basic math.

Anecdotally, I know families in the DMV whose kids go there. They're not superstars, they didn't attend top privates, and they weren't accepted at anything near a top 25 in the USA. Smart and hardworking for sure. Just not elite level.

“My source is this very thread”

That’s not a real and reputable source..

You’re missing the point. St Andrews is easier to get in for Americans. UK students who are accepted/going to St Andrews would be able to get into an Ivy League school. You cannot judge St Andrews prestige by how easy it is for Americans to be accepted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

Your math is not correct and these numbers are not validated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

Not true at all. I know multiple US students at St Andrews that got into ivies/Northwestern.

The ignorance on this thread is astounding

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, assuming a 50 percent yield, which is assuming a lot, in 2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees. That suggests an acceptance rate of 50% if not more.

The reason why California and New York combined have 1/3 of the enrolled students is because the two states combined have about 1/5 of the entire US population. And the reason why there are so many from Connecticut is because of boarding schools. As for DC nobody from DC public schools is going to Saint Andrews — it’s rich people from the top private schools choosing to go after not getting into a top USA private university.

St Andrew’s is a good school for sure, but let’s not get carried away. It’s not in the same league as the top USA privates and isn’t nearly as competitive in admissions either — for American applicants at least.

What is your source for "2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees" ? Seems off.

St Andrews is definitely easier to get into for Americans, but very competitive for UK students. Graduate prospectus is very good. Brown/Dartmouth/Wesleyan are comparable.

My source is this very thread. The OP lists the number enrolled in the first page, and several pages later reports the number of USA applications for the same year. It's also reported on this thread that the yield (percent of accepted students who enroll) for USA applications is 33. I assumed closely to 50 percent to be conservative. If it's 33 then the admit rate is well over 50 percent. This is basic math.

Anecdotally, I know families in the DMV whose kids go there. They're not superstars, they didn't attend top privates, and they weren't accepted at anything near a top 25 in the USA. Smart and hardworking for sure. Just not elite level.

“My source is this very thread”

That’s not a real and reputable source..

You’re missing the point. St Andrews is easier to get in for Americans. UK students who are accepted/going to St Andrews would be able to get into an Ivy League school. You cannot judge St Andrews prestige by how easy it is for Americans to be accepted.

So the OP’s source was credible until you didn’t like when OP had to say? Then it became not credible? OK