How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The general alt-right response to why the Canadian healthcare system won't work for the US is that it can't be "scaled up" -- that when take something which can be funded, delivered, monitored and enforced on a small scale, it doesn't necessarily translate into something which can be done on a large scale.

Sometimes small issues at the small scale become insurmountable on a larger scale. For example, the issue of eminent domain is not usually an issue for building a fence or wall on your own property -- but it sure as hell is going to rear up if you are fencing off all of the southern border of the US, and exponentially so.

Why does that make it insurmountable? Take the eminent domain cases to court along with the nature reserves and everyone else who has an issue with it. It may take years but so what? Let it play out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

Of course they know that walls work. That is exactly why they don't want it.

a few weeks ago one of the migrants broke their back trying to jump the wall where there was an 18 foot secton. The wall works. I doubt many will be trying it after her in that section.

Explain why Trump turned down $25 billion for the wall when it was offered, if this was so important to him. We all know he's just grandstanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

You yourself just admitted it takes people to stop them. The wall itself isn’t enough. So why billions of dollars for something that doesn’t work? Train more border police with that money.

Oh, FFS. Border agents are necessary. More of them would be great. A border wall COMBINED with border agents is the solution. Even the border agents say this. There are not enough border agents to stretch the border, Einstein.
Your arguments are getting more and more lame.

So they will scale the wall where there are no border agents.

Thats why we have drones, motion detection cameras, etc. if they make it past the initial barrier. The point is primarily to keep them out. If they get over the wall, track them down. But don't start the defensive measures after they've waltzed right into the country.

The liberals here totally understand this. So do Nancy and Chuck. They get it. They have voted for barriers in the past (and they weren't "immoral" then).
It's just "different" now. Trump is president. It's really as simple as that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If walls and fences work can Trumpsters explain why illegals were found working at Trump's golf resort? Which is presumably fenced?

because there should have been a wall at the southern border... but since there isnt they walked over

So why drag Obama's fence into this?

I wasnt the poster to dragged Obama's fence into this. And e-verify should be mandatory along with whatever penalties for employers (including Trump before you say it).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

Of course they know that walls work. That is exactly why they don't want it.

a few weeks ago one of the migrants broke their back trying to jump the wall where there was an 18 foot secton. The wall works. I doubt many will be trying it after her in that section.

Explain why Trump turned down $25 billion for the wall when it was offered, if this was so important to him. We all know he's just grandstanding.

I don't remember all the back and forth from back then, but I think it had to do with not wanting to give amnesty to DACA receipients. He should have gotten more than $25B. He should have gotten changes to the family immigration laws as well if he was going to make that trade. There is no way it is fair for the DACA receipients to receive citizenship and then turn around and be able to sponsor their parents (the original law breakers).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

Of course they know that walls work. That is exactly why they don't want it.

a few weeks ago one of the migrants broke their back trying to jump the wall where there was an 18 foot secton. The wall works. I doubt many will be trying it after her in that section.

Explain why Trump turned down $25 billion for the wall when it was offered, if this was so important to him. We all know he's just grandstanding.

Trump had 25 billion for a wall and turned it down.

Now he is saying that federal workers, many of whom are working without pay, are "striking."

When is he going to be removed for being mentally incompetent?
I'm starting to wonder if he is doing this on purpose to get out of going to prison for crimes already committed before becoming president.

[Anonymous]

All Trump had to do was get the votes, in the Republican majority House and Senate before Christmas, to pass the same bill with billions for the wall without the DACA compromise. The Congress was controlled by Republicans, folks, this should have been possible.

But no, he turned down the compromise and did nothing but tweet until the republican Congress left town for the holidays. It was only a few weeks ago.

Now he's saying Democrats were responsible? When they just took over, only the House, January 3?

Trump could have had his wall. But he chose to waste time and blame others. And then act like he doesn't have any sense at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All Trump had to do was get the votes, in the Republican majority House and Senate before Christmas, to pass the same bill with billions for the wall without the DACA compromise. The Congress was controlled by Republicans, folks, this should have been possible.

But no, he turned down the compromise and did nothing but tweet until the republican Congress left town for the holidays. It was only a few weeks ago.

Now he's saying Democrats were responsible? When they just took over, only the House, January 3?

Trump could have had his wall. But he chose to waste time and blame others. And then act like he doesn't have any sense at all.

Did you look at the vote tallys?

95% of GOP voted for it.

5% voted against it.

Not enough to pass without democratic support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

Of course they know that walls work. That is exactly why they don't want it.

a few weeks ago one of the migrants broke their back trying to jump the wall where there was an 18 foot secton. The wall works. I doubt many will be trying it after her in that section.

Explain why Trump turned down $25 billion for the wall when it was offered, if this was so important to him. We all know he's just grandstanding.

I don't remember all the back and forth from back then, but I think it had to do with not wanting to give amnesty to DACA receipients. He should have gotten more than $25B. He should have gotten changes to the family immigration laws as well if he was going to make that trade. There is no way it is fair for the DACA receipients to receive citizenship and then turn around and be able to sponsor their parents (the original law breakers).

Changes to family immigration after his inlaws were the beneficiaries of chain immigration?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

Of course they know that walls work. That is exactly why they don't want it.

a few weeks ago one of the migrants broke their back trying to jump the wall where there was an 18 foot secton. The wall works. I doubt many will be trying it after her in that section.

Explain why Trump turned down $25 billion for the wall when it was offered, if this was so important to him. We all know he's just grandstanding.

I don't remember all the back and forth from back then, but I think it had to do with not wanting to give amnesty to DACA receipients. He should have gotten more than $25B. He should have gotten changes to the family immigration laws as well if he was going to make that trade. There is no way it is fair for the DACA receipients to receive citizenship and then turn around and be able to sponsor their parents (the original law breakers).

Changes to family immigration after his inlaws were the beneficiaries of chain immigration?

Yes.
Just like we have changed driving laws even after many of us were the beneficiaries of earlier driving ages.
We have drinking ages even after many of us were the beneficiaries of earlier drinking ages.
We have made it more difficult to drive with a child in the car.
We have made it more difficult to care for young children - I know I wasn't the only latch key kid in my first grade class. Current parents in Maryland can't do that.

If you want us not to change laws after people have benefited from them, we have a whole lot of laws we need to reverse.

[Anonymous]

So, 5% of republicans voted against? How about we start THERE with the blame

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All Trump had to do was get the votes, in the Republican majority House and Senate before Christmas, to pass the same bill with billions for the wall without the DACA compromise. The Congress was controlled by Republicans, folks, this should have been possible.

But no, he turned down the compromise and did nothing but tweet until the republican Congress left town for the holidays. It was only a few weeks ago.

Now he's saying Democrats were responsible? When they just took over, only the House, January 3?

Trump could have had his wall. But he chose to waste time and blame others. And then act like he doesn't have any sense at all.

Did you look at the vote tallys?

95% of GOP voted for it.

5% voted against it.

Not enough to pass without democratic support.

And Trump could have tried to compromise to get that 5% of republicans to vote for the wall OR sign into law the compromise that was sent to him before Christmas. It wasn't rocket science, either Trump had the votes or did not have the votes.

If he worked to get the votes, then he could have had his way. Instead, nothing happened and the republicans all left for the holiday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All Trump had to do was get the votes, in the Republican majority House and Senate before Christmas, to pass the same bill with billions for the wall without the DACA compromise. The Congress was controlled by Republicans, folks, this should have been possible.

But no, he turned down the compromise and did nothing but tweet until the republican Congress left town for the holidays. It was only a few weeks ago.

Now he's saying Democrats were responsible? When they just took over, only the House, January 3?

Trump could have had his wall. But he chose to waste time and blame others. And then act like he doesn't have any sense at all.

Did you look at the vote tallys?

95% of GOP voted for it.

5% voted against it.

Not enough to pass without democratic support.

Well, most American leaders figure out how to "give something to the other side" to forge compromise or get the needed votes. Trump failed to do that. He only needed a handful of Senators to support it and he failed.

[Anonymous]

Just have Mexico pay for the wall. Problem solved

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

Of course they know that walls work. That is exactly why they don't want it.

a few weeks ago one of the migrants broke their back trying to jump the wall where there was an 18 foot secton. The wall works. I doubt many will be trying it after her in that section.

Explain why Trump turned down $25 billion for the wall when it was offered, if this was so important to him. We all know he's just grandstanding.

I don't remember all the back and forth from back then, but I think it had to do with not wanting to give amnesty to DACA receipients. He should have gotten more than $25B. He should have gotten changes to the family immigration laws as well if he was going to make that trade. There is no way it is fair for the DACA receipients to receive citizenship and then turn around and be able to sponsor their parents (the original law breakers).

Changes to family immigration after his inlaws were the beneficiaries of chain immigration?

Yes.
Just like we have changed driving laws even after many of us were the beneficiaries of earlier driving ages.
We have drinking ages even after many of us were the beneficiaries of earlier drinking ages.
We have made it more difficult to drive with a child in the car.
We have made it more difficult to care for young children - I know I wasn't the only latch key kid in my first grade class. Current parents in Maryland can't do that.

If you want us not to change laws after people have benefited from them, we have a whole lot of laws we need to reverse.

Sorry, pal. Other than your demented POTUS no one supports this.