How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All Trump had to do was get the votes, in the Republican majority House and Senate before Christmas, to pass the same bill with billions for the wall without the DACA compromise. The Congress was controlled by Republicans, folks, this should have been possible.

But no, he turned down the compromise and did nothing but tweet until the republican Congress left town for the holidays. It was only a few weeks ago.

Now he's saying Democrats were responsible? When they just took over, only the House, January 3?

Trump could have had his wall. But he chose to waste time and blame others. And then act like he doesn't have any sense at all.

Did you look at the vote tallys?

95% of GOP voted for it.

5% voted against it.

Not enough to pass without democratic support.

So where are Trump's great negotiating skills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The general alt-right response to why the Canadian healthcare system won't work for the US is that it can't be "scaled up" -- that when take something which can be funded, delivered, monitored and enforced on a small scale, it doesn't necessarily translate into something which can be done on a large scale.

Sometimes small issues at the small scale become insurmountable on a larger scale. For example, the issue of eminent domain is not usually an issue for building a fence or wall on your own property -- but it sure as hell is going to rear up if you are fencing off all of the southern border of the US, and exponentially so.

Why does that make it insurmountable? Take the eminent domain cases to court along with the nature reserves and everyone else who has an issue with it. It may take years but so what? Let it play out.

It's not insurmountable, it's just one (*of many*) costs that aren't being addressed. Make a realistic assessment of the scale-up costs, acknowledge how they come into play -- and not in, say, a private home's fence -- and then run it up the GAO flagpole.

But you won't. You just point to a private home fence and act like that's some kind of reasonable analogy.

[Anonymous]

25 billion and let the people who are already here stay legally....or maybe 5.6 billion, maybe 2 billion, maybe nothing. Sounds like another great business venture!

[Anonymous]

And Trump could have tried to compromise to get that 5% of republicans to vote for the wall OR sign into law the compromise that was sent to him before Christmas. It wasn't rocket science, either Trump had the votes or did not have the votes.

If he worked to get the votes, then he could have had his way. Instead, nothing happened and the republicans all left for the holiday.

Trump stayed.
Pelosi went to Hawaii.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And Trump could have tried to compromise to get that 5% of republicans to vote for the wall OR sign into law the compromise that was sent to him before Christmas. It wasn't rocket science, either Trump had the votes or did not have the votes.

If he worked to get the votes, then he could have had his way. Instead, nothing happened and the republicans all left for the holiday.

Trump stayed.
Pelosi went to Hawaii.

The House had already passed Trump's bill. The Senate voted unanimously for something different. Not Pelosi's fault. Neither she, nor the Dems had control of the House at that point. Or do you think we don't remember what happened last week?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And Trump could have tried to compromise to get that 5% of republicans to vote for the wall OR sign into law the compromise that was sent to him before Christmas. It wasn't rocket science, either Trump had the votes or did not have the votes.

If he worked to get the votes, then he could have had his way. Instead, nothing happened and the republicans all left for the holiday.

Trump stayed.
Pelosi went to Hawaii.

Trump stayed and did exactly what? Nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And Trump could have tried to compromise to get that 5% of republicans to vote for the wall OR sign into law the compromise that was sent to him before Christmas. It wasn't rocket science, either Trump had the votes or did not have the votes.

If he worked to get the votes, then he could have had his way. Instead, nothing happened and the republicans all left for the holiday.

Trump stayed.
Pelosi went to Hawaii.

The House had already passed Trump's bill. The Senate voted unanimously for something different. Not Pelosi's fault. Neither she, nor the Dems had control of the House at that point. Or do you think we don't remember what happened last week?

Of course they think we don't remember what happened last week, or in March... Why would they think you remember something they can't remember?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And Trump could have tried to compromise to get that 5% of republicans to vote for the wall OR sign into law the compromise that was sent to him before Christmas. It wasn't rocket science, either Trump had the votes or did not have the votes.

If he worked to get the votes, then he could have had his way. Instead, nothing happened and the republicans all left for the holiday.

Trump stayed.
Pelosi went to Hawaii.

The House had already passed Trump's bill. The Senate voted unanimously for something different. Not Pelosi's fault. Neither she, nor the Dems had control of the House at that point. Or do you think we don't remember what happened last week?

You got it wrong in terms of the timing.

Here is what happened chronologically:

1. Senate passed a bill without wall money

2. House didn't take up that senate bill. The house passed "Trump's bill" with $5.6 billion wall and border money.

3. The senate needs 60 votes to clear the filibuster by senate democrats. "Trump's bill" needs 10 more democrats to clear the senate.

4. Government shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Well, another president and senate majority leader might try to work with senate democrats. But compromise and deals are apparently below them or something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And Trump could have tried to compromise to get that 5% of republicans to vote for the wall OR sign into law the compromise that was sent to him before Christmas. It wasn't rocket science, either Trump had the votes or did not have the votes.

If he worked to get the votes, then he could have had his way. Instead, nothing happened and the republicans all left for the holiday.

Trump stayed.
Pelosi went to Hawaii.

The House had already passed Trump's bill. The Senate voted unanimously for something different. Not Pelosi's fault. Neither she, nor the Dems had control of the House at that point. Or do you think we don't remember what happened last week?

You got it wrong in terms of the timing.

Here is what happened chronologically:

1. Senate passed a bill without wall money

2. House didn't take up that senate bill. The house passed "Trump's bill" with $5.6 billion wall and border money.

3. The senate needs 60 votes to clear the filibuster by senate democrats. "Trump's bill" needs 10 more democrats to clear the senate.

4. Government shutdown.

You’re missing many steps. Such as, Trump said he didn’t support the bill in the Senate. Trump changes his mind and supports the bill. Trump changes his mind and doesn’t support the bill at after some people went home for Christmas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And Trump could have tried to compromise to get that 5% of republicans to vote for the wall OR sign into law the compromise that was sent to him before Christmas. It wasn't rocket science, either Trump had the votes or did not have the votes.

If he worked to get the votes, then he could have had his way. Instead, nothing happened and the republicans all left for the holiday.

Trump stayed.
Pelosi went to Hawaii.

She stayed longer than the Republicans. Where was Ryan? Or didn't decide to start retirement early? Where we're the republican leaders? Already gone. Which is why Pelosi and Schumer we're there in the first place. At least they tried, unlike the so called Republicans "leaders."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The general alt-right response to why the Canadian healthcare system won't work for the US is that it can't be "scaled up" -- that when take something which can be funded, delivered, monitored and enforced on a small scale, it doesn't necessarily translate into something which can be done on a large scale.

Sometimes small issues at the small scale become insurmountable on a larger scale. For example, the issue of eminent domain is not usually an issue for building a fence or wall on your own property -- but it sure as hell is going to rear up if you are fencing off all of the southern border of the US, and exponentially so.

Why does that make it insurmountable? Take the eminent domain cases to court along with the nature reserves and everyone else who has an issue with it. It may take years but so what? Let it play out.

It's not insurmountable, it's just one (*of many*) costs that aren't being addressed. Make a realistic assessment of the scale-up costs, acknowledge how they come into play -- and not in, say, a private home's fence -- and then run it up the GAO flagpole.

But you won't. You just point to a private home fence and act like that's some kind of reasonable analogy.

well again i'm not the one who point to a private home fence as an analogy. And again, the parallel is that fences keep people out... which is exactly what a wall would do. Sure we could discussed the total costs but that isnt was is even being requested here so not sure what your point is.

[Anonymous]

“Nancy Pelosi's funding tactic for next week: Passing agency-specific funding bills on the floor, in an attempt to pick off more Republican support.

First up: A funding bill that would reopen the IRS, which would make sure tax returns are on time for millions.

The bill also includes a 1.9 percent pay raise for fed workers. And it would BLOCK the pay raise slated for the VP/executive office staff, per Dem aide.”
- Sarah Ferris, Hill reporter for Politico

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Nancy Pelosi's funding tactic for next week: Passing agency-specific funding bills on the floor, in an attempt to pick off more Republican support.

First up: A funding bill that would reopen the IRS, which would make sure tax returns are on time for millions.

The bill also includes a 1.9 percent pay raise for fed workers. And it would BLOCK the pay raise slated for the VP/executive office staff, per Dem aide.”
- Sarah Ferris, Hill reporter for Politico

Can you link the site please?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The general alt-right response to why the Canadian healthcare system won't work for the US is that it can't be "scaled up" -- that when take something which can be funded, delivered, monitored and enforced on a small scale, it doesn't necessarily translate into something which can be done on a large scale.

Sometimes small issues at the small scale become insurmountable on a larger scale. For example, the issue of eminent domain is not usually an issue for building a fence or wall on your own property -- but it sure as hell is going to rear up if you are fencing off all of the southern border of the US, and exponentially so.

Why does that make it insurmountable? Take the eminent domain cases to court along with the nature reserves and everyone else who has an issue with it. It may take years but so what? Let it play out.

It's not insurmountable, it's just one (*of many*) costs that aren't being addressed. Make a realistic assessment of the scale-up costs, acknowledge how they come into play -- and not in, say, a private home's fence -- and then run it up the GAO flagpole.

But you won't. You just point to a private home fence and act like that's some kind of reasonable analogy.

well again i'm not the one who point to a private home fence as an analogy. And again, the parallel is that fences keep people out... which is exactly what a wall would do. Sure we could discussed the total costs but that isnt was is even being requested here so not sure what your point is.

Clearly a fence couldn't keep illegals from working at Trump's golf resort so not sure what your point is.