Overlee Crash & Burn

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Anonymous wrote:I heard T got there early because they took a private jet.

You win with this comment!

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Tuckahoe rep here - my jet was actually in the shop. We took the Tucka-Coptor to the event. Helipad was on top of the middle school next door.

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T for the most part was on good behavior; gotta represent Hydra well to potential customers

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Anonymous wrote:T for the most part was on good behavior; gotta represent Hydra well to potential customers

Let’s not turn this thread into an attack on T and Hydra. I think that’s already been done a half dozen times on DCUM!

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Anonymous wrote:The 8U relay was tuckahoe I believe, CB’s biggest rivals. Let’s not pretend that T wouldn’t do the same thing when an opponent’s relay DQed as well. The “upper” D1 teams are unbelievably competitive. Everyone goes all in every meet. I can assure you that CB was not cheering in a harmful way. They don’t care that the kid DQed, they cheered because it worked in their favor. Any possible points scored needed to be scored to win the meet. Think about it this way: if a quarterback throws a turnover the opposing fans cheer. Not in a harmful way to the QB, but because their team got the ball back.

No, the other D1 teams are not like this, it’s only CB. At D1 relay carnival CB DQ’d two relays and no one (including Tuckahoe, their supposed biggest rival) was cheering at their misfortune because wtf…. I was there, there was no cheering at all by any other teams when it happened.

This is the definition of bad sportsmanship when you cheer like this. Instead cheer for success and encourage both your own team and rivals to do their best. Shake hands. It’s a rec summer swim league for goodness sake. Good competitive races are great, cheering for people to lose is terrible behavior.

I think in the speech before every meet in the NVSL code of conduct they actually mention sportsmanship and the proper behavior. Cheering when a “rival” 8 year old DQs does not fit the bill.

It’s not easy chill rec for the top 2 teams in d1. When a team hangs banners like they’ve won the superbowl or nba champs in their indoor pool…that’s the intensity you’re getting. As far as cheering for a DQ, I see it in that context of intensity. Bad sportsmanship? I guess. How many here have cheered when a kid on the opposing team has fouled out etc etc or taken satisfaction? I have.

Perhaps don’t score all stars? Or designate certain coaches to truly make all star lineups and have these relays battle it out.

D4 NP here, and no dog in this fight, but this is simply not comparable to contact sports foul or yellow card where there is some kind of physical contact/interference against the other team. The DQing kid never did anything “at” the other teams that would have interfered with their performance. There really is no good reason to cheer at anyone being DQ’d in swimming because even if it results in your team winning, it is a sad way to win.

I watched a DQ in an older boys relay (not the 8U) and saw the stroke and turn judge raise his hand. My reaction, and that of everyone around me, was to cringe a bit and say something like "oh that poor kid, he must feel terrible". Even though it clearly meant my own child's ranking would go up one spot, it never occurred to me to be happy about it. My team's time is their time.

Totally different from contact sports. If someone does something illegal and gets called for it, we're happy about that because they're being held accountable for their behavior. Cheering for an accidental swim DQ would be more like cheering when an opposing team member is injured and pulled out of the game, because now your team has a better chance of winning. Who does that??!?

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Anonymous wrote:T for the most part was on good behavior; gotta represent Hydra well to potential customers

Let’s not turn this thread into an attack on T and Hydra. I think that’s already been done a half dozen times on DCUM!

Who gaf, they deserve it

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Anonymous wrote:The 8U relay was tuckahoe I believe, CB’s biggest rivals. Let’s not pretend that T wouldn’t do the same thing when an opponent’s relay DQed as well. The “upper” D1 teams are unbelievably competitive. Everyone goes all in every meet. I can assure you that CB was not cheering in a harmful way. They don’t care that the kid DQed, they cheered because it worked in their favor. Any possible points scored needed to be scored to win the meet. Think about it this way: if a quarterback throws a turnover the opposing fans cheer. Not in a harmful way to the QB, but because their team got the ball back.

No, the other D1 teams are not like this, it’s only CB. At D1 relay carnival CB DQ’d two relays and no one (including Tuckahoe, their supposed biggest rival) was cheering at their misfortune because wtf…. I was there, there was no cheering at all by any other teams when it happened.

This is the definition of bad sportsmanship when you cheer like this. Instead cheer for success and encourage both your own team and rivals to do their best. Shake hands. It’s a rec summer swim league for goodness sake. Good competitive races are great, cheering for people to lose is terrible behavior.

I think in the speech before every meet in the NVSL code of conduct they actually mention sportsmanship and the proper behavior. Cheering when a “rival” 8 year old DQs does not fit the bill.

It’s not easy chill rec for the top 2 teams in d1. When a team hangs banners like they’ve won the superbowl or nba champs in their indoor pool…that’s the intensity you’re getting. As far as cheering for a DQ, I see it in that context of intensity. Bad sportsmanship? I guess. How many here have cheered when a kid on the opposing team has fouled out etc etc or taken satisfaction? I have.

Perhaps don’t score all stars? Or designate certain coaches to truly make all star lineups and have these relays battle it out.

D4 NP here, and no dog in this fight, but this is simply not comparable to contact sports foul or yellow card where there is some kind of physical contact/interference against the other team. The DQing kid never did anything “at” the other teams that would have interfered with their performance. There really is no good reason to cheer at anyone being DQ’d in swimming because even if it results in your team winning, it is a sad way to win.

I watched a DQ in an older boys relay (not the 8U) and saw the stroke and turn judge raise his hand. My reaction, and that of everyone around me, was to cringe a bit and say something like "oh that poor kid, he must feel terrible". Even though it clearly meant my own child's ranking would go up one spot, it never occurred to me to be happy about it. My team's time is their time.

Totally different from contact sports. If someone does something illegal and gets called for it, we're happy about that because they're being held accountable for their behavior. Cheering for an accidental swim DQ would be more like cheering when an opposing team member is injured and pulled out of the game, because now your team has a better chance of winning. Who does that??!?

Totally agree. Who wants to move up a spot on a DQ

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Anonymous wrote:The 8U relay was tuckahoe I believe, CB’s biggest rivals. Let’s not pretend that T wouldn’t do the same thing when an opponent’s relay DQed as well. The “upper” D1 teams are unbelievably competitive. Everyone goes all in every meet. I can assure you that CB was not cheering in a harmful way. They don’t care that the kid DQed, they cheered because it worked in their favor. Any possible points scored needed to be scored to win the meet. Think about it this way: if a quarterback throws a turnover the opposing fans cheer. Not in a harmful way to the QB, but because their team got the ball back.

No, the other D1 teams are not like this, it’s only CB. At D1 relay carnival CB DQ’d two relays and no one (including Tuckahoe, their supposed biggest rival) was cheering at their misfortune because wtf…. I was there, there was no cheering at all by any other teams when it happened.

This is the definition of bad sportsmanship when you cheer like this. Instead cheer for success and encourage both your own team and rivals to do their best. Shake hands. It’s a rec summer swim league for goodness sake. Good competitive races are great, cheering for people to lose is terrible behavior.

I think in the speech before every meet in the NVSL code of conduct they actually mention sportsmanship and the proper behavior. Cheering when a “rival” 8 year old DQs does not fit the bill.

It’s not easy chill rec for the top 2 teams in d1. When a team hangs banners like they’ve won the superbowl or nba champs in their indoor pool…that’s the intensity you’re getting. As far as cheering for a DQ, I see it in that context of intensity. Bad sportsmanship? I guess. How many here have cheered when a kid on the opposing team has fouled out etc etc or taken satisfaction? I have.

Perhaps don’t score all stars? Or designate certain coaches to truly make all star lineups and have these relays battle it out.

D4 NP here, and no dog in this fight, but this is simply not comparable to contact sports foul or yellow card where there is some kind of physical contact/interference against the other team. The DQing kid never did anything “at” the other teams that would have interfered with their performance. There really is no good reason to cheer at anyone being DQ’d in swimming because even if it results in your team winning, it is a sad way to win.

I watched a DQ in an older boys relay (not the 8U) and saw the stroke and turn judge raise his hand. My reaction, and that of everyone around me, was to cringe a bit and say something like "oh that poor kid, he must feel terrible". Even though it clearly meant my own child's ranking would go up one spot, it never occurred to me to be happy about it. My team's time is their time.

Totally different from contact sports. If someone does something illegal and gets called for it, we're happy about that because they're being held accountable for their behavior. Cheering for an accidental swim DQ would be more like cheering when an opposing team member is injured and pulled out of the game, because now your team has a better chance of winning. Who does that??!?

Totally agree. Who wants to move up a spot on a DQ

Not the original poster of this DQ thread. But I think you can differentiate cheering for an outcome (i don’t see how this is possible something unless you’re in the swimmers face trying to mess up his take off or stroke like taunting a kid making free throws) versus cheering after an outcome occurs. Don’t have to like either but I think there is a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:The 8U relay was tuckahoe I believe, CB’s biggest rivals. Let’s not pretend that T wouldn’t do the same thing when an opponent’s relay DQed as well. The “upper” D1 teams are unbelievably competitive. Everyone goes all in every meet. I can assure you that CB was not cheering in a harmful way. They don’t care that the kid DQed, they cheered because it worked in their favor. Any possible points scored needed to be scored to win the meet. Think about it this way: if a quarterback throws a turnover the opposing fans cheer. Not in a harmful way to the QB, but because their team got the ball back.

No, the other D1 teams are not like this, it’s only CB. At D1 relay carnival CB DQ’d two relays and no one (including Tuckahoe, their supposed biggest rival) was cheering at their misfortune because wtf…. I was there, there was no cheering at all by any other teams when it happened.

This is the definition of bad sportsmanship when you cheer like this. Instead cheer for success and encourage both your own team and rivals to do their best. Shake hands. It’s a rec summer swim league for goodness sake. Good competitive races are great, cheering for people to lose is terrible behavior.

I think in the speech before every meet in the NVSL code of conduct they actually mention sportsmanship and the proper behavior. Cheering when a “rival” 8 year old DQs does not fit the bill.

It’s not easy chill rec for the top 2 teams in d1. When a team hangs banners like they’ve won the superbowl or nba champs in their indoor pool…that’s the intensity you’re getting. As far as cheering for a DQ, I see it in that context of intensity. Bad sportsmanship? I guess. How many here have cheered when a kid on the opposing team has fouled out etc etc or taken satisfaction? I have.

Perhaps don’t score all stars? Or designate certain coaches to truly make all star lineups and have these relays battle it out.

D4 NP here, and no dog in this fight, but this is simply not comparable to contact sports foul or yellow card where there is some kind of physical contact/interference against the other team. The DQing kid never did anything “at” the other teams that would have interfered with their performance. There really is no good reason to cheer at anyone being DQ’d in swimming because even if it results in your team winning, it is a sad way to win.

I watched a DQ in an older boys relay (not the 8U) and saw the stroke and turn judge raise his hand. My reaction, and that of everyone around me, was to cringe a bit and say something like "oh that poor kid, he must feel terrible". Even though it clearly meant my own child's ranking would go up one spot, it never occurred to me to be happy about it. My team's time is their time.

Totally different from contact sports. If someone does something illegal and gets called for it, we're happy about that because they're being held accountable for their behavior. Cheering for an accidental swim DQ would be more like cheering when an opposing team member is injured and pulled out of the game, because now your team has a better chance of winning. Who does that??!?

Totally agree. Who wants to move up a spot on a DQ

Not the original poster of this DQ thread. But I think you can differentiate cheering for an outcome (i don’t see how this is possible something unless you’re in the swimmers face trying to mess up his take off or stroke like taunting a kid making free throws) versus cheering after an outcome occurs. Don’t have to like either but I think there is a difference.

Maybe the bottom line is that anyone who cheers for the accidental failure of an 8 year old sucks. In this specific instance that would be the CB coach and the parents/swimmers who also cheered.

There were hundreds of people on deck and the only ones who responded with glee were these individuals. Says quite a bit about their character.

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Anonymous wrote:T for the most part was on good behavior; gotta represent Hydra well to potential customers

Team reps from T refused to take a dq slip from an official. Really obnoxious behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:T for the most part was on good behavior; gotta represent Hydra well to potential customers

Team reps from T refused to take a dq slip from an official. Really obnoxious behavior.

I was there and saw nothing of the sort. CB making up rumors to deflect from bad behavior??

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight. But from my perspective, much easier to look relaxed when you are sitting in a front row seat at the middle of the pool watching your swimmers swim. Why did T coaches get front row seat? No other coaches had this seating.

because, like EVERY year, the top D1 teams take over the entire bleacher are and claim all the best seats saving a front row seat for their coaches.

This happens because, for years, children’s from T and CB get there early to save seats for the their team. Lower divisions could do the same, they don’t. It was very peaceful this year. T and CB tailgated together then all walked in and claimed their seats, actually much less cutthroat then in past years.

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Anonymous wrote:what was the DQ? Assuming something like starting with wrong stroke if it was something everyone noticed right away.

No - it was not obvious. CB fans cheered when ref approached T team rep in the team area.

This is completely untrue. CB was simply happy to move up in points, and gain on T, considering they are rivals. To gain the points that T lost was a win for them, something every team would be happy about when seeking the final win of the meet. CB DQed 2 relays at relay carnival, they know how much it sucks and would never pray on the downfall of an 8 year old. But in this case, the situation benefited their team. When it comes to the top teams in this meet, it’s anyone’s meet, it comes down to things like this for their to be a winner. Everyteam rightfully wishes for it to be them

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Anonymous wrote:what was the DQ? Assuming something like starting with wrong stroke if it was something everyone noticed right away.

No - it was not obvious. CB fans cheered when ref approached T team rep in the team area.

This is completely untrue. CB was simply happy to move up in points, and gain on T, considering they are rivals. To gain the points that T lost was a win for them, something every team would be happy about when seeking the final win of the meet. CB DQed 2 relays at relay carnival, they know how much it sucks and would never pray on the downfall of an 8 year old. But in this case, the situation benefited their team. When it comes to the top teams in this meet, it’s anyone’s meet, it comes down to things like this for their to be a winner. Everyteam rightfully wishes for it to be them

I don’t know…. I would much rather win a race or a meet outright and in the pool head to head then win because a team disqualified. I also would never celebrate a kid messing up regardless of their age. Our team finished top 6 in 13-14 boys because of a DQ and I felt awful for that swimmer. I wasn’t cheering about it. Classless move. If you want to do a “yes” quietly under your breath because you know it will help your team total that is one thing but to be cheering loudly about it is totally unacceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:T for the most part was on good behavior; gotta represent Hydra well to potential customers

Team reps from T refused to take a dq slip from an official. Really obnoxious behavior.

I was there and saw nothing of the sort. CB making up rumors to deflect from bad behavior??

You weren’t looking then. I’m not affiliated with CB; in fact I’ve commented on their unsportsmanlike behavior as well. But nice try.