Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/texas-tech-medical-student-dies-after-seeking-mental-health-help/

Med student asked inappropriate sexual questions to patient and asked to follow on instagram. Also offered to do a pap. The patient reported it- he was investigated and committed suicide. Parents are suing the med school. How do we prevent Larry Nassar’s? It seems like schools can’t win.

That is not what is described in the article.

He asked her if she had ever had a threesome, how is that ever an appropriate question from a medical provider?

I teach med students how to take sexual histories.

It is absolutely not appropriate. The students are taught to ask about number of partners, current and lifetime and perhaps over a certain period of recent time (past year, past 6 months, or whatever) depending on the concerns that arise out of the chief complaint, history, and/or exam. They are taught to ask about how partners identify, and what kind of sex practices are engaged in (vaginal, anal, oral), and whether or not toys are used. And of course whether or not barrier methods of protection are used. And these detailed questions are only asked in context of assessing risk, providing care, and counseling the patient regarding safe practices.

So how many partners one has had recently? Legit question. What kinds of sex one is engaging in with those partners? Legit question. Whether or not three people are all engaging in those practices together at once? No. The only thing I can think of in which this might be a legit area to explore is a psych patient who is manic and putting themself at risk in multiple ways as a result of manic hypersexuality. But even then -- asking if the patient has ever had a threesome? No.

So many invasive questions! Asking about sexual toys?? In what scenario are these questions considered appropriate??!!

Like I said in my post, what questions are necessary depends on the complaint, history and exam. STIs can spread when people use toys and do not clean them and/or do not use some kind of barrier protection with them. Counseling on this can be appropriate. Doctors regularly ask questions that you might find "invasive." But they can be necessary in certain circumstances. If someone walks into urgent care with a sprained ankle, you aren't going to take a sexual history at all. But let's say a woman comes in complaining of vaginal discharge, itching, and burning with urination, and they have multiple partners who are all female, and their understanding of how to protect themselves from STIs is low -- then knowing about the use of toys is going to be an important bit of information for a provider who needs to diagnose, treat and counsel them.

NP. I work in an industry where I sometimes have to ask nosy questions. I tell the person WHY I am asking. Might be a good idea to explain about the toy question.

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My boyfriend gets jealous, you should see my Instagram site.

wtf?!

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

You really think someone this fragile belonged in medicine? Do you even hear yourself. Maybe he should have done marketing or HR.

You don’t sound like someone with any professional experience.

It’s unfortunate he didn’t have anyone to go to given his bad situation. Someone to tell him to fight back or regroup or do damage control or apologize or explain it.

Dudes say dumb stuff all the time. Some get reported, many don’t. Still unclear what kind of back & forth convo they had.

Money grubber versus dork?

She didn’t sue or ask for money. She just asked not to be his patient any longer. Completely her right to do.

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All the doctors I work with voice record all patient mtgs and you sign off on that at check in.

That’s for notes, learning and insurance purposes. But will also help in these He Said She Said situations and remind everyone to behave professionally at all times.
No more witty banter or bad jokes.

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I’m impressed a young 20 something knows what or when to report something. Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m impressed a young 20 something knows what or when to report something. Interesting.

She's an adult with intelligence.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

You really think someone this fragile belonged in medicine? Do you even hear yourself. Maybe he should have done marketing or HR.

You don’t sound like someone with any professional experience.

It’s unfortunate he didn’t have anyone to go to given his bad situation. Someone to tell him to fight back or regroup or do damage control or apologize or explain it.

Dudes say dumb stuff all the time. Some get reported, many don’t. Still unclear what kind of back & forth convo they had.

Money grubber versus dork?

She didn’t sue or ask for money. She just asked not to be his patient any longer. Completely her right to do.

I would have done the same thing. Tired of these unprofessional entitled dorks who think any attractive woman is their next dating opportunity.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

You really think someone this fragile belonged in medicine? Do you even hear yourself. Maybe he should have done marketing or HR.

Yeah, doctors literally take calls in the middle of the night telling them a patient has died. That's medicine.

He is a medical student. He's not a Dr on call. You are becoming deranged. No, this isn't how to deal with HR/discilplinary issues. It's extremely unprofessional.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m impressed a young 20 something knows what or when to report something. Interesting.

Sounds like someone should see her since she's a nurse can complain about her treatment. Payback.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

You really think someone this fragile belonged in medicine? Do you even hear yourself. Maybe he should have done marketing or HR.

Yeah, doctors literally take calls in the middle of the night telling them a patient has died. That's medicine.

He is a medical student. He's not a Dr on call. You are becoming deranged. No, this isn't how to deal with HR/discilplinary issues. It's extremely unprofessional.

His parents claim he’s a doctor in his obituary.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m impressed a young 20 something knows what or when to report something. Interesting.

Sounds like someone should see her since she's a nurse can complain about her treatment. Payback.

It’s a shame her name hasn’t been made public. Let’s see how she does when her name is on blast.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

Have you never worked before? Emails go out at all hours. Especially a follow up email recording a meeting the guy already had? There was no new info in the email.

Guess the lawyers will get to read this late night advice email themselves.

Maybe he catastrophized things.

Maybe they threatened to ruin his career.

If they did, they didn’t do it in the email in question.

Cool. Where has all the discovery and evidence been posted?

The entire email was posted in the OP of this thread. You can read it and see exactly what was written.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

You really think someone this fragile belonged in medicine? Do you even hear yourself. Maybe he should have done marketing or HR.

You don’t sound like someone with any professional experience.

It’s unfortunate he didn’t have anyone to go to given his bad situation. Someone to tell him to fight back or regroup or do damage control or apologize or explain it.

Dudes say dumb stuff all the time. Some get reported, many don’t. Still unclear what kind of back & forth convo they had.

Money grubber versus dork?

She didn’t sue or ask for money. She just asked not to be his patient any longer. Completely her right to do.

Right she simply asked to see a different provider. No one is required to see a medical provider who makes one feel uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:The patient has a far more solid lawsuit on her hands than the perverted pond scum

It's not a crime to be made uncomfortable. Who are you people.?

For starters a civil lawsuit against a hospital isn’t criminal court. Seems she was sexually harassed by a medical resident, then he used her medical chart to cyberstalk her (HIPPA violation), then he took his life and now his family is suggesting it was her fault??? That’s a lot of trauma!!! $$$

The family alleges the school effed up. They aren't suing her.

Totally innocuous to note the gal was seeing him for STD check. Totally not an attempt to insinuate she’s a promiscuous and lying western whore making false allegations against a high caste future surgeon.

+1. He was sleeping with his girlfriend (not wife) while trying to hook up with a patient so who is the whore?

I doubt he was trying to hook up with someone presenting with a nasty STI right in front of him.

He asked her if her boyfriend would mind him touching her! He then followed her on Instagram. AFTER (!!!!!) she refused to let him do her pap smear and she requested a nurse do it. Bonkers.

Autism strikes again.

The way each of them speak it seems to be a case of double autism….

It sounds like the girl was rising sophomore undergrad ie a teenager. He’s the grown ass nearly 25 year old man. He’s sounds special needs. Makes you wonder about his alleged perfect GPA.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m impressed a young 20 something knows what or when to report something. Interesting.

Sounds like someone should see her since she's a nurse can complain about her treatment. Payback.

You're part of the problem.