PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

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Anonymous wrote:Oops! Forgot to include #3 - not sure what you meant by Christians discarding the Tanakh except for the Ten Commandments. I don’t believe this is true, although there are laws, etc. that modern Jews and Christians don’t follow.

I mean, there’s plenty that Christians embrace that are totally antithetical to what Jews believe.

Judaism isn’t some primitive version of Christianity.

Of course not; I wasn’t suggesting it is.

But that’s what you imply when you talk about how Christians should be able to just celebrate Christian Seders, when Jesus wouldn’t have had a Passover Seder, as they didn’t exist then. Passover existed, but not as a Seder.

Why not just acknowledge it as the Last Supper? Maudy Thursday is all about that, right? How is incorporating elements of a rabbinical Passover Seder enhancing or informing Christianity, when those traditions didn’t start until 70-600 years after Jesus died?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh and *no* Jews believe Jesus was the lamb of God. Not most.

Except Jews for Jesus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and *no* Jews believe Jesus was the lamb of God. Not most.

Except Jews for Jesus.

Jews for Jesus are not Jews.

“Jews for Jesus is an international Messianic Jewish non-profit organization headquartered in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1970 by Moishe Rosen, a Baptist convert and member of the American Board of Missions to the Jews, as Hineni Ministries, before being incorporated under its current name in 1973. The group is known for its proselytisation activities targeting Jews.[1][2][3] Despite its name, it is not considered a Jewish organization by most Jewish authorities.[4]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oops! Forgot to include #3 - not sure what you meant by Christians discarding the Tanakh except for the Ten Commandments. I don’t believe this is true, although there are laws, etc. that modern Jews and Christians don’t follow.

I mean, there’s plenty that Christians embrace that are totally antithetical to what Jews believe.

Judaism isn’t some primitive version of Christianity.

Of course not; I wasn’t suggesting it is.

But that’s what you imply when you talk about how Christians should be able to just celebrate Christian Seders, when Jesus wouldn’t have had a Passover Seder, as they didn’t exist then. Passover existed, but not as a Seder.

Why not just acknowledge it as the Last Supper? Maudy Thursday is all about that, right? How is incorporating elements of a rabbinical Passover Seder enhancing or informing Christianity, when those traditions didn’t start until 70-600 years after Jesus died?

Because It is about redemption, God’s love and protection, and the importance of retelling history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh and *no* Jews believe Jesus was the lamb of God. Not most.

Except Jews for Jesus.

Jews for Jesus are not Jews.

“Jews for Jesus is an international Messianic Jewish non-profit organization headquartered in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1970 by Moishe Rosen, a Baptist convert and member of the American Board of Missions to the Jews, as Hineni Ministries, before being incorporated under its current name in 1973. The group is known for its proselytisation activities targeting Jews.[1][2][3] Despite its name, it is not considered a Jewish organization by most Jewish authorities.[4]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus

While they have been shunned basically by other Jews on religious grounds, many are Jewish by their heritage. Shrug. Is it really all that different from being an atheist Jew? I mean, I get it because like how many Christians don’t consider Mormans Christians, yet Mormans believe themselves to be Christian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh and *no* Jews believe Jesus was the lamb of God. Not most.

Except Jews for Jesus.

Jews for Jesus are not Jews.

“Jews for Jesus is an international Messianic Jewish non-profit organization headquartered in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1970 by Moishe Rosen, a Baptist convert and member of the American Board of Missions to the Jews, as Hineni Ministries, before being incorporated under its current name in 1973. The group is known for its proselytisation activities targeting Jews.[1][2][3] Despite its name, it is not considered a Jewish organization by most Jewish authorities.[4]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus

While they have been shunned basically by other Jews on religious grounds, many are Jewish by their heritage. Shrug. Is it really all that different from being an atheist Jew? I mean, I get it because like how many Christians don’t consider Mormans Christians, yet Mormans believe themselves to be Christian.

Please read about what Jews for Jesus have done. They have been aggressively trying to convert Jews.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oops! Forgot to include #3 - not sure what you meant by Christians discarding the Tanakh except for the Ten Commandments. I don’t believe this is true, although there are laws, etc. that modern Jews and Christians don’t follow.

I mean, there’s plenty that Christians embrace that are totally antithetical to what Jews believe.

Judaism isn’t some primitive version of Christianity.

Of course not; I wasn’t suggesting it is.

But that’s what you imply when you talk about how Christians should be able to just celebrate Christian Seders, when Jesus wouldn’t have had a Passover Seder, as they didn’t exist then. Passover existed, but not as a Seder.

Why not just acknowledge it as the Last Supper? Maudy Thursday is all about that, right? How is incorporating elements of a rabbinical Passover Seder enhancing or informing Christianity, when those traditions didn’t start until 70-600 years after Jesus died?

Because It is about redemption, God’s love and protection, and the importance of retelling history.

And none of that has anything to do with rabbinical Passover.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oops! Forgot to include #3 - not sure what you meant by Christians discarding the Tanakh except for the Ten Commandments. I don’t believe this is true, although there are laws, etc. that modern Jews and Christians don’t follow.

I mean, there’s plenty that Christians embrace that are totally antithetical to what Jews believe.

Judaism isn’t some primitive version of Christianity.

Of course not; I wasn’t suggesting it is.

But that’s what you imply when you talk about how Christians should be able to just celebrate Christian Seders, when Jesus wouldn’t have had a Passover Seder, as they didn’t exist then. Passover existed, but not as a Seder.

Why not just acknowledge it as the Last Supper? Maudy Thursday is all about that, right? How is incorporating elements of a rabbinical Passover Seder enhancing or informing Christianity, when those traditions didn’t start until 70-600 years after Jesus died?

Because It is about redemption, God’s love and protection, and the importance of retelling history.

And none of that has anything to do with rabbinical Passover.

To whit: you can claim the Last Supper, and the lamb sacrifice as something Jesus participated in as part of that, but you don’t get to tell us what rabbinical Passover is about. That was hundreds of years after Jesus died and was exclusively a Jewish matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh and *no* Jews believe Jesus was the lamb of God. Not most.

Except Jews for Jesus.

Jews for Jesus are not Jews.

“Jews for Jesus is an international Messianic Jewish non-profit organization headquartered in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1970 by Moishe Rosen, a Baptist convert and member of the American Board of Missions to the Jews, as Hineni Ministries, before being incorporated under its current name in 1973. The group is known for its proselytisation activities targeting Jews.[1][2][3] Despite its name, it is not considered a Jewish organization by most Jewish authorities.[4]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus

There are many Messianic Jews who are not involved with the Jews for Jesus Organization. There are several Messianic Jewish congregations in the DC area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh and *no* Jews believe Jesus was the lamb of God. Not most.

Except Jews for Jesus.

Jews for Jesus are not Jews.

“Jews for Jesus is an international Messianic Jewish non-profit organization headquartered in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1970 by Moishe Rosen, a Baptist convert and member of the American Board of Missions to the Jews, as Hineni Ministries, before being incorporated under its current name in 1973. The group is known for its proselytisation activities targeting Jews.[1][2][3] Despite its name, it is not considered a Jewish organization by most Jewish authorities.[4]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus

There are many Messianic Jews who are not involved with the Jews for Jesus Organization. There are several Messianic Jewish congregations in the DC area.

They are not recognized as Jewish by Jewish authorities and do not have right of return unless they can prove Jewish descent.

But if you want to use them to argue that some Jews accept Jesus as the Lamb of God then ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh and *no* Jews believe Jesus was the lamb of God. Not most.

Except Jews for Jesus.

Jews for Jesus are not Jews.

“Jews for Jesus is an international Messianic Jewish non-profit organization headquartered in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1970 by Moishe Rosen, a Baptist convert and member of the American Board of Missions to the Jews, as Hineni Ministries, before being incorporated under its current name in 1973. The group is known for its proselytisation activities targeting Jews.[1][2][3] Despite its name, it is not considered a Jewish organization by most Jewish authorities.[4]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus

While they have been shunned basically by other Jews on religious grounds, many are Jewish by their heritage. Shrug. Is it really all that different from being an atheist Jew? I mean, I get it because like how many Christians don’t consider Mormans Christians, yet Mormans believe themselves to be Christian.

Please read about what Jews for Jesus have done. They have been aggressively trying to convert Jews.

Never said I support them, what I think of them is irrelevant anyway. The point is some Jews have converted, so to say no Jews believe in Jesus and hold onto some Jewish traditions is false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oops! Forgot to include #3 - not sure what you meant by Christians discarding the Tanakh except for the Ten Commandments. I don’t believe this is true, although there are laws, etc. that modern Jews and Christians don’t follow.

I mean, there’s plenty that Christians embrace that are totally antithetical to what Jews believe.

Judaism isn’t some primitive version of Christianity.

Of course not; I wasn’t suggesting it is.

But that’s what you imply when you talk about how Christians should be able to just celebrate Christian Seders, when Jesus wouldn’t have had a Passover Seder, as they didn’t exist then. Passover existed, but not as a Seder.

Why not just acknowledge it as the Last Supper? Maudy Thursday is all about that, right? How is incorporating elements of a rabbinical Passover Seder enhancing or informing Christianity, when those traditions didn’t start until 70-600 years after Jesus died?

Because It is about redemption, God’s love and protection, and the importance of retelling history.

And none of that has anything to do with rabbinical Passover.

To whit: you can claim the Last Supper, and the lamb sacrifice as something Jesus participated in as part of that, but you don’t get to tell us what rabbinical Passover is about. That was hundreds of years after Jesus died and was exclusively a Jewish matter.

Agree that outsiders cannot tell insiders what their faith or religion means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh and *no* Jews believe Jesus was the lamb of God. Not most.

Except Jews for Jesus.

Jews for Jesus are not Jews.

“Jews for Jesus is an international Messianic Jewish non-profit organization headquartered in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1970 by Moishe Rosen, a Baptist convert and member of the American Board of Missions to the Jews, as Hineni Ministries, before being incorporated under its current name in 1973. The group is known for its proselytisation activities targeting Jews.[1][2][3] Despite its name, it is not considered a Jewish organization by most Jewish authorities.[4]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus

While they have been shunned basically by other Jews on religious grounds, many are Jewish by their heritage. Shrug. Is it really all that different from being an atheist Jew? I mean, I get it because like how many Christians don’t consider Mormans Christians, yet Mormans believe themselves to be Christian.

Please read about what Jews for Jesus have done. They have been aggressively trying to convert Jews.

Never said I support them, what I think of them is irrelevant anyway. The point is some Jews have converted, so to say no Jews believe in Jesus and hold onto some Jewish traditions is false.

If Jews have to convert to Messianic Judaism, then how are they still Jews?

Jews don’t convert to other denominations of Judaism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

Most of us don't!

I know of ZERO Christians who host Seders. BUT, I know of MANY, MANY, MANY Jews how have Christmas trees!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oops! Forgot to include #3 - not sure what you meant by Christians discarding the Tanakh except for the Ten Commandments. I don’t believe this is true, although there are laws, etc. that modern Jews and Christians don’t follow.

I mean, there’s plenty that Christians embrace that are totally antithetical to what Jews believe.

Judaism isn’t some primitive version of Christianity.

Of course not; I wasn’t suggesting it is.

But that’s what you imply when you talk about how Christians should be able to just celebrate Christian Seders, when Jesus wouldn’t have had a Passover Seder, as they didn’t exist then. Passover existed, but not as a Seder.

Why not just acknowledge it as the Last Supper? Maudy Thursday is all about that, right? How is incorporating elements of a rabbinical Passover Seder enhancing or informing Christianity, when those traditions didn’t start until 70-600 years after Jesus died?

Because It is about redemption, God’s love and protection, and the importance of retelling history.

And none of that has anything to do with rabbinical Passover.

To whit: you can claim the Last Supper, and the lamb sacrifice as something Jesus participated in as part of that, but you don’t get to tell us what rabbinical Passover is about. That was hundreds of years after Jesus died and was exclusively a Jewish matter.

No one is trying to tell you what Passover is about. You are trying to tell others why they can’t find meaning in it for themselves. If they believe it informs their religion or enhances their belief in God isn’t that a personal experience? One that doesn’t take away from or erase your practice or beliefs?