Admitting you are Asian (college apps)

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about ASIANS. The OP is pondering whether her child should hide her identity in this country because her identity, her race, her ancestry is discriminated against due to systemic racism.

We are ALLOWED to talk about all the different factors that are involved with that system racism and how there are MANY facets that play into racism against Asians and, in particular to this thread, Asian children.

If Black people are uncomfortable with all these various facets, some of which include them, then they need to learn, grow, educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort.

Becoming an anti-racist is not an easy process.

Have you read the thread? of course Asians should talk about Asian issues but spouting untrue facts about Blacks to build your case is not the way to do that... Some Asian posters were flame throwing. The actual facts from Harvard documents are now in the thread. Complain about the 62 point disparity in average scores all you like but the previously posted 140 point disparity was a lie. If Asian people want to use "various facets" they should use correct information, and then they need to learn, grow , educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort. It is racist to use fake information about one race to magnify Asian abilities or scores.

If you want to dwell on the on the 'flame throwing' Asians, then you are just looking for excuses to continue being racist. There are bad apples in every bunch and as much as America wants to believe that Asians are a monolithic, robotic breed, we are vastly different and have our own thoughts.

You can use your energy to hate on all Asians because of them or you can use your energy to support anti-racism for all people.

I posted the facts and repeatedly said I do not have a problem with Asians, Whites or Blacks. I also do not think life is fair and sometimes people do not a job or acceptance even though they are qualified. i value diversity even though it worked against my female child when applying to college. But she went to another school and so far has had a wonderful experience. As a family we have moved on.

But you are clearly not an ivy material. You have nothing to lose.

Ha ha. And that is because I have typos on a message board?? Many poster sound like immigrants... Evan a moron knows that Blacks have been in the US for more than 400 years. There are tons of legacies that move on when their kid does not get in at all top American schools. Sometimes in one family some kids get in and some don’t ... the families move on. There is no basis for that assumption at all.

You are not telling a family to move on. You are telling an entire race that is subject to systemic racism to move on.

If you would like to continue being racist then please move on from this thread, Go ahead, move along now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is about ASIANS. The OP is pondering whether her child should hide her identity in this country because her identity, her race, her ancestry is discriminated against due to systemic racism.

We are ALLOWED to talk about all the different factors that are involved with that system racism and how there are MANY facets that play into racism against Asians and, in particular to this thread, Asian children.

If Black people are uncomfortable with all these various facets, some of which include them, then they need to learn, grow, educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort.

Becoming an anti-racist is not an easy process.

Have you read the thread? of course Asians should talk about Asian issues but spouting untrue facts about Blacks to build your case is not the way to do that... Some Asian posters were flame throwing. The actual facts from Harvard documents are now in the thread. Complain about the 62 point disparity in average scores all you like but the previously posted 140 point disparity was a lie. If Asian people want to use "various facets" they should use correct information, and then they need to learn, grow , educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort. It is racist to use fake information about one race to magnify Asian abilities or scores.

If you want to dwell on the on the 'flame throwing' Asians, then you are just looking for excuses to continue being racist. There are bad apples in every bunch and as much as America wants to believe that Asians are a monolithic, robotic breed, we are vastly different and have our own thoughts.

You can use your energy to hate on all Asians because of them or you can use your energy to support anti-racism for all people.

I posted the facts and repeatedly said I do not have a problem with Asians, Whites or Blacks. I also do not think life is fair and sometimes people do not a job or acceptance even though they are qualified. i value diversity even though it worked against my female child when applying to college. But she went to another school and so far has had a wonderful experience. As a family we have moved on.

But you are clearly not an ivy material. You have nothing to lose.

Ha ha. And that is because I have typos on a message board?? Many poster sound like immigrants... Evan a moron knows that Blacks have been in the US for more than 400 years. There are tons of legacies that move on when their kid does not get in at all top American schools. Sometimes in one family some kids get in and some don’t ... the families move on. There is no basis for that assumption at all.

It’s like the ugliest women who bash beauty contests. They move on and convince themselves they are above it all. Try telling white swimming Olympic athletes they need to make a room for those from the inner cities with fewer opportunities. Yeah, move on...

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about ASIANS. The OP is pondering whether her child should hide her identity in this country because her identity, her race, her ancestry is discriminated against due to systemic racism.

We are ALLOWED to talk about all the different factors that are involved with that system racism and how there are MANY facets that play into racism against Asians and, in particular to this thread, Asian children.

If Black people are uncomfortable with all these various facets, some of which include them, then they need to learn, grow, educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort.

Becoming an anti-racist is not an easy process.

Have you read the thread? of course Asians should talk about Asian issues but spouting untrue facts about Blacks to build your case is not the way to do that... Some Asian posters were flame throwing. The actual facts from Harvard documents are now in the thread. Complain about the 62 point disparity in average scores all you like but the previously posted 140 point disparity was a lie. If Asian people want to use "various facets" they should use correct information, and then they need to learn, grow , educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort. It is racist to use fake information about one race to magnify Asian abilities or scores.

If what you say is true of course that is wrong. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding. According to the Harvard Crimson over a 18 year period Asian American admits averaged 767 out of 800 (since the SAT is out of 1600 that would be 1534 out of 1600). African American admits averaged 704 out of 800 which would be 1408 out of 1600. This is a difference of 126 points. Just for some perspective a score of 1400 is around the 85th percentile for Asian American test takers.
It goes without saying that there are no racial differences in intelligence and There are many structural reasons for this wide gulf but these are the facts Having said that SAT scores do indicate a student’s readiness for college level work and at a top 20 school the bar for readiness should be incredibly high


https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/

If blacks had to compete based merit, there might be a few black students at Harvard. Think caltech, mit, Oxford, Cambridge. Very few blacks.

Except STEM and premed are very small majors departments so I sure it would not look like MIT, or Caltech. There are not a lot of Asian at Oxbridge

because it's really far for Americans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about ASIANS. The OP is pondering whether her child should hide her identity in this country because her identity, her race, her ancestry is discriminated against due to systemic racism.

We are ALLOWED to talk about all the different factors that are involved with that system racism and how there are MANY facets that play into racism against Asians and, in particular to this thread, Asian children.

If Black people are uncomfortable with all these various facets, some of which include them, then they need to learn, grow, educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort.

Becoming an anti-racist is not an easy process.

Have you read the thread? of course Asians should talk about Asian issues but spouting untrue facts about Blacks to build your case is not the way to do that... Some Asian posters were flame throwing. The actual facts from Harvard documents are now in the thread. Complain about the 62 point disparity in average scores all you like but the previously posted 140 point disparity was a lie. If Asian people want to use "various facets" they should use correct information, and then they need to learn, grow , educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort. It is racist to use fake information about one race to magnify Asian abilities or scores.

If what you say is true of course that is wrong. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding. According to the Harvard Crimson over a 18 year period Asian American admits averaged 767 out of 800 (since the SAT is out of 1600 that would be 1534 out of 1600). African American admits averaged 704 out of 800 which would be 1408 out of 1600. This is a difference of 126 points. Just for some perspective a score of 1400 is around the 85th percentile for Asian American test takers.
It goes without saying that there are no racial differences in intelligence and There are many structural reasons for this wide gulf but these are the facts Having said that SAT scores do indicate a student’s readiness for college level work and at a top 20 school the bar for readiness should be incredibly high


https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/

If blacks had to compete based merit, there might be a few black students at Harvard. Think caltech, mit, Oxford, Cambridge. Very few blacks.

Except STEM and premed are very small majors departments so I sure it would not look like MIT, or Caltech. There are not a lot of Asian at Oxbridge

because it's really far for Americans

Ha ha Asian at Oxbridge would most likely come from former English colonies like Blacks which come from Africa.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about ASIANS. The OP is pondering whether her child should hide her identity in this country because her identity, her race, her ancestry is discriminated against due to systemic racism.

We are ALLOWED to talk about all the different factors that are involved with that system racism and how there are MANY facets that play into racism against Asians and, in particular to this thread, Asian children.

If Black people are uncomfortable with all these various facets, some of which include them, then they need to learn, grow, educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort.

Becoming an anti-racist is not an easy process.

Have you read the thread? of course Asians should talk about Asian issues but spouting untrue facts about Blacks to build your case is not the way to do that... Some Asian posters were flame throwing. The actual facts from Harvard documents are now in the thread. Complain about the 62 point disparity in average scores all you like but the previously posted 140 point disparity was a lie. If Asian people want to use "various facets" they should use correct information, and then they need to learn, grow , educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort. It is racist to use fake information about one race to magnify Asian abilities or scores.

If you want to dwell on the on the 'flame throwing' Asians, then you are just looking for excuses to continue being racist. There are bad apples in every bunch and as much as America wants to believe that Asians are a monolithic, robotic breed, we are vastly different and have our own thoughts.

You can use your energy to hate on all Asians because of them or you can use your energy to support anti-racism for all people.

I posted the facts and repeatedly said I do not have a problem with Asians, Whites or Blacks. I also do not think life is fair and sometimes people do not a job or acceptance even though they are qualified. i value diversity even though it worked against my female child when applying to college. But she went to another school and so far has had a wonderful experience. As a family we have moved on.

But you are clearly not an ivy material. You have nothing to lose.

Ha ha. And that is because I have typos on a message board?? Many poster sound like immigrants... Evan a moron knows that Blacks have been in the US for more than 400 years. There are tons of legacies that move on when their kid does not get in at all top American schools. Sometimes in one family some kids get in and some don’t ... the families move on. There is no basis for that assumption at all.

You are not telling a family to move on. You are telling an entire race that is subject to systemic racism to move on.

If you would like to continue being racist then please move on from this thread, Go ahead, move along now.

Different poster here.

That said, my own kid’s at an ivy where she didn’t have to hide her identity. Didn’t bother with H because of its racist reputation. What are Asians to do? I really do think Asians with H stats can do well at other schools, particularly at SLACs where being Asian is valued.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about ASIANS. The OP is pondering whether her child should hide her identity in this country because her identity, her race, her ancestry is discriminated against due to systemic racism.

We are ALLOWED to talk about all the different factors that are involved with that system racism and how there are MANY facets that play into racism against Asians and, in particular to this thread, Asian children.

If Black people are uncomfortable with all these various facets, some of which include them, then they need to learn, grow, educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort.

Becoming an anti-racist is not an easy process.

Have you read the thread? of course Asians should talk about Asian issues but spouting untrue facts about Blacks to build your case is not the way to do that... Some Asian posters were flame throwing. The actual facts from Harvard documents are now in the thread. Complain about the 62 point disparity in average scores all you like but the previously posted 140 point disparity was a lie. If Asian people want to use "various facets" they should use correct information, and then they need to learn, grow , educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort. It is racist to use fake information about one race to magnify Asian abilities or scores.

If you want to dwell on the on the 'flame throwing' Asians, then you are just looking for excuses to continue being racist. There are bad apples in every bunch and as much as America wants to believe that Asians are a monolithic, robotic breed, we are vastly different and have our own thoughts.

You can use your energy to hate on all Asians because of them or you can use your energy to support anti-racism for all people.

I posted the facts and repeatedly said I do not have a problem with Asians, Whites or Blacks. I also do not think life is fair and sometimes people do not a job or acceptance even though they are qualified. i value diversity even though it worked against my female child when applying to college. But she went to another school and so far has had a wonderful experience. As a family we have moved on.

But you are clearly not an ivy material. You have nothing to lose.

Ha ha. And that is because I have typos on a message board?? Many poster sound like immigrants... Evan a moron knows that Blacks have been in the US for more than 400 years. There are tons of legacies that move on when their kid does not get in at all top American schools. Sometimes in one family some kids get in and some don’t ... the families move on. There is no basis for that assumption at all.

You are not telling a family to move on. You are telling an entire race that is subject to systemic racism to move on.

If you would like to continue being racist then please move on from this thread, Go ahead, move along now.

Different poster here.

That said, my own kid’s at an ivy where she didn’t have to hide her identity. Didn’t bother with H because of its racist reputation. What are Asians to do? I really do think Asians with H stats can do well at other schools, particularly at SLACs where being Asian is valued.

The systemic racism is not limited to Harvard or Ivies only. Many state schools also do this.

And this isn't about whether or not they can do well at other schools. That is completely devoid of the point.

[Anonymous]

Please stop feeding this toxic poster. She will never stop with her rant. She is a close minded zealot, and not worth anyone’s time

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about ASIANS. The OP is pondering whether her child should hide her identity in this country because her identity, her race, her ancestry is discriminated against due to systemic racism.

We are ALLOWED to talk about all the different factors that are involved with that system racism and how there are MANY facets that play into racism against Asians and, in particular to this thread, Asian children.

If Black people are uncomfortable with all these various facets, some of which include them, then they need to learn, grow, educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort.

Becoming an anti-racist is not an easy process.

Have you read the thread? of course Asians should talk about Asian issues but spouting untrue facts about Blacks to build your case is not the way to do that... Some Asian posters were flame throwing. The actual facts from Harvard documents are now in the thread. Complain about the 62 point disparity in average scores all you like but the previously posted 140 point disparity was a lie. If Asian people want to use "various facets" they should use correct information, and then they need to learn, grow , educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort. It is racist to use fake information about one race to magnify Asian abilities or scores.

If you want to dwell on the on the 'flame throwing' Asians, then you are just looking for excuses to continue being racist. There are bad apples in every bunch and as much as America wants to believe that Asians are a monolithic, robotic breed, we are vastly different and have our own thoughts.

You can use your energy to hate on all Asians because of them or you can use your energy to support anti-racism for all people.

I posted the facts and repeatedly said I do not have a problem with Asians, Whites or Blacks. I also do not think life is fair and sometimes people do not a job or acceptance even though they are qualified. i value diversity even though it worked against my female child when applying to college. But she went to another school and so far has had a wonderful experience. As a family we have moved on.

But you are clearly not an ivy material. You have nothing to lose.

Ha ha. And that is because I have typos on a message board?? Many poster sound like immigrants... Evan a moron knows that Blacks have been in the US for more than 400 years. There are tons of legacies that move on when their kid does not get in at all top American schools. Sometimes in one family some kids get in and some don’t ... the families move on. There is no basis for that assumption at all.

You are not telling a family to move on. You are telling an entire race that is subject to systemic racism to move on.

If you would like to continue being racist then please move on from this thread, Go ahead, move along now.

Different poster here.

That said, my own kid’s at an ivy where she didn’t have to hide her identity. Didn’t bother with H because of its racist reputation. What are Asians to do? I really do think Asians with H stats can do well at other schools, particularly at SLACs where being Asian is valued.

The systemic racism is not limited to Harvard or Ivies only. Many state schools also do this.

And this isn't about whether or not they can do well at other schools. That is completely devoid of the point.

I meant Asian students will do well in the admission cycle. My D applied to 3 ivies and 7 SLACs. Her outcomes were more or less in line with her stats although she was rejected more than accepted. In the end, it didn’t matter cuz she could attend only one.

[Anonymous]

The fact that Asians are so widely and oppressive discriminated against means that I will 100000000% go out of my way to hire an Asian CFA or pick an Asian doctor, because that means they must be at least 1 or 2 standard deviations better than the rest just to get accepted into school. I'd only want the best for finance and health. Asians only it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asians have come out in large numbers in support of BLM. There are many Asian groups that put together peaceful protests in support, the thousands in the health care sector all took a knee, during the tear gas debacle in DC it was an Indian American man that opened his doors to over 70 protestors into his home to escape the police and tear gas.

Asians can talk about racism against them, that doesn't make them racist. This is not an either or situation. You are either Anti-Racist or Racist. Doesn't matter your skin color. You are either condoning the practice of racism where others races profit off the racism of another, or you are against it.

Thank you for saying this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about ASIANS. The OP is pondering whether her child should hide her identity in this country because her identity, her race, her ancestry is discriminated against due to systemic racism.

We are ALLOWED to talk about all the different factors that are involved with that system racism and how there are MANY facets that play into racism against Asians and, in particular to this thread, Asian children.

If Black people are uncomfortable with all these various facets, some of which include them, then they need to learn, grow, educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort.

Becoming an anti-racist is not an easy process.

Have you read the thread? of course Asians should talk about Asian issues but spouting untrue facts about Blacks to build your case is not the way to do that... Some Asian posters were flame throwing. The actual facts from Harvard documents are now in the thread. Complain about the 62 point disparity in average scores all you like but the previously posted 140 point disparity was a lie. If Asian people want to use "various facets" they should use correct information, and then they need to learn, grow , educate themselves and sit in their own discomfort. It is racist to use fake information about one race to magnify Asian abilities or scores.

If what you say is true of course that is wrong. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding. According to the Harvard Crimson over a 18 year period Asian American admits averaged 767 out of 800 (since the SAT is out of 1600 that would be 1534 out of 1600). African American admits averaged 704 out of 800 which would be 1408 out of 1600. This is a difference of 126 points. Just for some perspective a score of 1400 is around the 85th percentile for Asian American test takers.
It goes without saying that there are no racial differences in intelligence and There are many structural reasons for this wide gulf but these are the facts Having said that SAT scores do indicate a student’s readiness for college level work and at a top 20 school the bar for readiness should be incredibly high


https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/

I think the schools are capable of determining from themselves what constitutes readiness but sure go ahead and substitute your judgment. Thinking that one should only take the top x% of scores on the SAT is only one way, and probably the most simplistic, way of using SAT scores.

You are assuming that Asian American students are one dimensional candidates with only high test scores and good grades to recommend themselves to an elite university. What the Harvard case showed is that even if they also had interesting Extracurricular activities demonstrating leadership and even if they impressed their interviewer with their engaging personality they were given low scores on non academic criteria The admission committees were prejudiced plain and simple. That is wrong and we should not accept this in 2020
And yes at a really elite school you would expect a really high level of college readiness and SAT scores and GPAs are the simplest way to determine this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Asians are so widely and oppressive discriminated against means that I will 100000000% go out of my way to hire an Asian CFA or pick an Asian doctor, because that means they must be at least 1 or 2 standard deviations better than the rest just to get accepted into school. I'd only want the best for finance and health. Asians only it is.

Nah, it’s not that bad. I’ve been through the process. I am now on the other side. I do appreciate and value URM students on campus. And you can’t just have a token few like at Oxford or Cambridge. There has to be a critical mass for URM students’ well being. It’s also important for my D to be exposed to people of different background, life experience, and value. I learned long time ago hatred also hurt those who hate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Asians are so widely and oppressive discriminated against means that I will 100000000% go out of my way to hire an Asian CFA or pick an Asian doctor, because that means they must be at least 1 or 2 standard deviations better than the rest just to get accepted into school. I'd only want the best for finance and health. Asians only it is.

Nah, it’s not that bad. I’ve been through the process. I am now on the other side. I do appreciate and value URM students on campus. And you can’t just have a token few like at Oxford or Cambridge. There has to be a critical mass for URM students’ well being. It’s also important for my D to be exposed to people of different background, life experience, and value. I learned long time ago hatred also hurt those who hate.

You can point out discrimination and prejudice without hating or demeaning. My ire is directed towards Admission committees and people who stereotype children and young adults. We should not put up with that - ever. It doesn’t matter who it is directed against. Prejudice is just plain wrong

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Asians are so widely and oppressive discriminated against means that I will 100000000% go out of my way to hire an Asian CFA or pick an Asian doctor, because that means they must be at least 1 or 2 standard deviations better than the rest just to get accepted into school. I'd only want the best for finance and health. Asians only it is.

Nah, it’s not that bad. I’ve been through the process. I am now on the other side. I do appreciate and value URM students on campus. And you can’t just have a token few like at Oxford or Cambridge. There has to be a critical mass for URM students’ well being. It’s also important for my D to be exposed to people of different background, life experience, and value. I learned long time ago hatred also hurt those who hate.

You can point out discrimination and prejudice without hating or demeaning. My ire is directed towards Admission committees and people who stereotype children and young adults. We should not put up with that - ever. It doesn’t matter who it is directed against. Prejudice is just plain wrong

Just be strategic about colleges your student is applying to and you can have good results. Think outside the box. Go easy on IVs and go heavy on SLACs. One thing I did not know about was Oxford and Cambridge. They are heavy on merit. If your student has H stats, those would be good options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Asians are so widely and oppressive discriminated against means that I will 100000000% go out of my way to hire an Asian CFA or pick an Asian doctor, because that means they must be at least 1 or 2 standard deviations better than the rest just to get accepted into school. I'd only want the best for finance and health. Asians only it is.

Nah, it’s not that bad. I’ve been through the process. I am now on the other side. I do appreciate and value URM students on campus. And you can’t just have a token few like at Oxford or Cambridge. There has to be a critical mass for URM students’ well being. It’s also important for my D to be exposed to people of different background, life experience, and value. I learned long time ago hatred also hurt those who hate.

You can point out discrimination and prejudice without hating or demeaning. My ire is directed towards Admission committees and people who stereotype children and young adults. We should not put up with that - ever. It doesn’t matter who it is directed against. Prejudice is just plain wrong

Just be strategic about colleges your student is applying to and you can have good results. Think outside the box. Go easy on IVs and go heavy on SLACs. One thing I did not know about was Oxford and Cambridge. They are heavy on merit. If your student has H stats, those would be good options.

Yes, we already tell our 16-17 year old kids that have have to learn how to be strategic about the systemic racism lodged against them. The point is it is wrong. Full stop. The racism they face is wrong.