Admitting you are Asian (college apps)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

Actually, people whose ancestry dates back to India are considered Asian (southeast Asian)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

Actually, people whose ancestry dates back to India are considered Asian (southeast Asian)

India is not southeast Asia. We know we are considered Asian. And we know our ancestry is South Asian.

We also don't need other races constantly trying to tell us about ourselves, our history, our culture, our religions, this has been the theme in all Western countries since colonial days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

Actually, people whose ancestry dates back to India are considered Asian (southeast Asian)

India is not southeast Asia. We know we are considered Asian. And we know our ancestry is South Asian.

We also don't need other races constantly trying to tell us about ourselves, our history, our culture, our religions, this has been the theme in all Western countries since colonial days.

Wow, I hope your day gets better.

Being sheltered in place with the likes of you must be a real (pity) party.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

Actually, people whose ancestry dates back to India are considered Asian (southeast Asian)

India is not southeast Asia. We know we are considered Asian. And we know our ancestry is South Asian.

We also don't need other races constantly trying to tell us about ourselves, our history, our culture, our religions, this has been the theme in all Western countries since colonial days.

If Western countries are so awful...why do you choose to live in one?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

Actually, people whose ancestry dates back to India are considered Asian (southeast Asian)

India is not southeast Asia. We know we are considered Asian. And we know our ancestry is South Asian.

We also don't need other races constantly trying to tell us about ourselves, our history, our culture, our religions, this has been the theme in all Western countries since colonial days.

If Western countries are so awful...why do you choose to live in one?

I was born here, I'm American but not Anglo, Christian so you don't see me as American and feel the need to explain my ancestry to me. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s so sad that an Asian kid feels the need to hide identity because of discrimination. I’m white and I’m very empathetic to this. I’m sorry OP.

There is nothing inherently wrong with discrimination. When you choose a salad as your side, you discriminate against the French fries. That isn’t the issue.

I have no problem with colleges that desire a diverse student body effectively putting a cap on how many students of a similar background they will accept.

AKA I want colleges to remain 50%+ white, instead of Asian.

Otherwise why discriminate against Asians in favor of whites, considering whites never faced institutional discrimination in US history which is what is used to justify affirmative action for African Americans?

Asian Americans are being discriminated against to give those seats to whites. It's flat out racist.

[Anonymous]

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The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

No I am not hopelessly deaf to that argument. That argument is simply hopelessly racist. Picking people on the basis of race is simply racist by definition.

As far as the other crap you stated, you have no idea who I am, but what you inferred is also hopelessly racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

Actually, people whose ancestry dates back to India are considered Asian (southeast Asian)

India is not southeast Asia. We know we are considered Asian. And we know our ancestry is South Asian.

We also don't need other races constantly trying to tell us about ourselves, our history, our culture, our religions, this has been the theme in all Western countries since colonial days.

PP here. I may have misstated my original point. Too much day drinking. Anyways, the issue is that racial classifications are also too broad to be helpful. Does an Egyptian have much in common with someone from South Africa? Etc. TJ is considered non-diverse because it is majority Asian, yet those with East Asian and South Asian ancestry have different backgrounds. Furthermore, they are lumped together for college admissions purposes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Uh, I am not sure where you learned your American history or where you work. White Americans are not being discriminated against in favor of Asians! I don’t see a ton of Asian CEOs, senators or finance guys ect running America. If your talking about Stem where Asians are mostly employees and not public facing the majority of Asians are not in the high ranking positions. Many are trapped in jobs doing the science/math with few opportunities to lead. Racism is definitely impacting outcomes for Asians just as it impacts outcomes for blacks.

While you may find the system repugnant you need to find a better justification for changing it. All minorities at elite schools underperform wealthy connected white legacies and Asians in particular often reach a firm glass ceiling at middle management. Their skills, education and abilities are often undervalued.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

Actually, people whose ancestry dates back to India are considered Asian (southeast Asian)

India is not southeast Asia. We know we are considered Asian. And we know our ancestry is South Asian.

We also don't need other races constantly trying to tell us about ourselves, our history, our culture, our religions, this has been the theme in all Western countries since colonial days.

If Western countries are so awful...why do you choose to live in one?

I was born here, I'm American but not Anglo, Christian so you don't see me as American and feel the need to explain my ancestry to me. Get over yourself.

it is a shame that you still regard your home culture as "other" and oppresser

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Talking about one racial group having more "raw intelligence" than another is about THE most racist belief you can hold. Game over. You win (for being the world class racist)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

Actually, people whose ancestry dates back to India are considered Asian (southeast Asian)

India is not southeast Asia. We know we are considered Asian. And we know our ancestry is South Asian.

We also don't need other races constantly trying to tell us about ourselves, our history, our culture, our religions, this has been the theme in all Western countries since colonial days.

PP here. I may have misstated my original point. Too much day drinking. Anyways, the issue is that racial classifications are also too broad to be helpful. Does an Egyptian have much in common with someone from South Africa? Etc. TJ is considered non-diverse because it is majority Asian, yet those with East Asian and South Asian ancestry have different backgrounds. Furthermore, they are lumped together for college admissions purposes.

Hispanics have the same issue. and Middle Eastern Groups feel altogether invisible.

Then you have people who ask whey we even count people this way.

it is a contentious topic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

Actually, people whose ancestry dates back to India are considered Asian (southeast Asian)

India is not southeast Asia. We know we are considered Asian. And we know our ancestry is South Asian.

We also don't need other races constantly trying to tell us about ourselves, our history, our culture, our religions, this has been the theme in all Western countries since colonial days.

If Western countries are so awful...why do you choose to live in one?

I was born here, I'm American but not Anglo, Christian so you don't see me as American and feel the need to explain my ancestry to me. Get over yourself.

it is a shame that you still regard your home culture as "other" and oppresser

Wow, reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

[Anonymous]

This is an old article but still so relevant:

https://nymag.com/news/features/asian-americans-2011-5/

As for the OPs question, there are actually some admissions counsellors who advise their clients not to "appear Asian" in the college application. Play the cello? Don't mention it. Play badmitten? Don't mention it. But others say it's not worth 'gaming' the system and just try to be yourself, highlight what is worth highlighting and not worry about it.

https://www.ivycoach.com/in-the-press/college-admissions-advisors-work-to-make-asian-kids-less-asian/

https://insights.collegeconfidential.com/asian-admissions-angst