Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?

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Anonymous wrote:There is a crisis and it has been building for some time now.

Democrats are denying it because should they admit this to be true, public opinion may sway in Trump's direction toward building a border barrier. They cannot have this.

The only crisis is the one Trump created by separating families and creating conditions of mass rape of girls and young women by men of all stripes.

Trump created? You are too dumb to know that you are a dumb.

What did Barack and other Presidents did for years ? Catched and released Or kept in jail as whole family?

Anyone?

“What changed was the administration’s handling of these cases. Undocumented immigrant families seeking asylum previously were released and went into the civil court system, but now the parents are being detained and sent to criminal courts while their kids are resettled in the United States as though they were unaccompanied minors.”

“Katie Waldman, a spokeswoman for Nielsen, said the administration does not have a family-separation policy. But Waldman agreed that Trump officials are exercising their prosecutorial discretion to charge more illegal-entry offenses, which in turn causes more family separations. The Obama administration also separated immigrant families, she said.”

““During the Obama administration there was no policy in place that resulted in the systematic separation of families at the border, like we are now seeing under the Trump administration,” said Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute. “Our understanding is that generally parents were not prosecuted for illegal entry under President Obama. There may have been some separation if there was suspicion that the children were being trafficked or a claimed parent-child relationship did not actually exist. But nothing like the levels we are seeing today.””

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/

There is a simple way for these parents to stop separations: do not enter the U.S. illegally.

Bingo! This is not a difficult concept.

Apparently it is, for you. They are separating people who are coming here legally to seek asylum.

If they are truly seeking asylum, all who are not Mexican citizens can do that in Mexico. Hmmm... wonder why they don't do that.

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What happened to Session’s attempt to narrow down asylum claim grounds? Was it struck down in court?

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

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Anonymous wrote:So Trump wants to close the border. With the exception of California, the next 10 states this impacts, will cost about $50B. Those ten states are all red states. Hope they are happy.

Huh?

Texas would have already done it if they could have

Uh. No they wouldn’t.

“Laredo Mayor Pete Saenz, chairman of the Texas Border Coalition, said a closure would be catastrophic.

"Closing the border would cause an immediate depression in border state communities and, depending on the duration, a recession in the rest of the country," he said.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2019-04-01/more-officers-may-be-reassigned-to-help-border-crush

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a crisis and it has been building for some time now.

Democrats are denying it because should they admit this to be true, public opinion may sway in Trump's direction toward building a border barrier. They cannot have this.

The only crisis is the one Trump created by separating families and creating conditions of mass rape of girls and young women by men of all stripes.

Trump created? You are too dumb to know that you are a dumb.

What did Barack and other Presidents did for years ? Catched and released Or kept in jail as whole family?

Anyone?

“What changed was the administration’s handling of these cases. Undocumented immigrant families seeking asylum previously were released and went into the civil court system, but now the parents are being detained and sent to criminal courts while their kids are resettled in the United States as though they were unaccompanied minors.”

“Katie Waldman, a spokeswoman for Nielsen, said the administration does not have a family-separation policy. But Waldman agreed that Trump officials are exercising their prosecutorial discretion to charge more illegal-entry offenses, which in turn causes more family separations. The Obama administration also separated immigrant families, she said.”

““During the Obama administration there was no policy in place that resulted in the systematic separation of families at the border, like we are now seeing under the Trump administration,” said Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute. “Our understanding is that generally parents were not prosecuted for illegal entry under President Obama. There may have been some separation if there was suspicion that the children were being trafficked or a claimed parent-child relationship did not actually exist. But nothing like the levels we are seeing today.””

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/

There is a simple way for these parents to stop separations: do not enter the U.S. illegally.

Bingo! This is not a difficult concept.

Apparently it is, for you. They are separating people who are coming here legally to seek asylum.

If they are truly seeking asylum, all who are not Mexican citizens can do that in Mexico. Hmmm... wonder why they don't do that.

Many do. Some have family or other connections to the US which provides a potential support network. If your family was in distress and your option was Norway where you didn't know anyone, or Sweden where you had some 5th cousins, where would you go?

[Anonymous]

Go where you don’t need taxpayer funding.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a crisis and it has been building for some time now.

Democrats are denying it because should they admit this to be true, public opinion may sway in Trump's direction toward building a border barrier. They cannot have this.

The only crisis is the one Trump created by separating families and creating conditions of mass rape of girls and young women by men of all stripes.

Trump created? You are too dumb to know that you are a dumb.

What did Barack and other Presidents did for years ? Catched and released Or kept in jail as whole family?

Anyone?

“What changed was the administration’s handling of these cases. Undocumented immigrant families seeking asylum previously were released and went into the civil court system, but now the parents are being detained and sent to criminal courts while their kids are resettled in the United States as though they were unaccompanied minors.”

“Katie Waldman, a spokeswoman for Nielsen, said the administration does not have a family-separation policy. But Waldman agreed that Trump officials are exercising their prosecutorial discretion to charge more illegal-entry offenses, which in turn causes more family separations. The Obama administration also separated immigrant families, she said.”

““During the Obama administration there was no policy in place that resulted in the systematic separation of families at the border, like we are now seeing under the Trump administration,” said Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute. “Our understanding is that generally parents were not prosecuted for illegal entry under President Obama. There may have been some separation if there was suspicion that the children were being trafficked or a claimed parent-child relationship did not actually exist. But nothing like the levels we are seeing today.””

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/

There is a simple way for these parents to stop separations: do not enter the U.S. illegally.

Bingo! This is not a difficult concept.

Apparently it is, for you. They are separating people who are coming here legally to seek asylum.

If they are truly seeking asylum, all who are not Mexican citizens can do that in Mexico. Hmmm... wonder why they don't do that.

Many do. Some have family or other connections to the US which provides a potential support network. If your family was in distress and your option was Norway where you didn't know anyone, or Sweden where you had some 5th cousins, where would you go?

If my family was truly in distress such that I needed to seek asylum, I would take the option that gives me immediate relief, regardless of my potential support network. I would not risk my kids' lives, my daughter or me getting raped or dying in the desert, and all the dangers entailed in going through Mexico. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a crisis and it has been building for some time now.

Democrats are denying it because should they admit this to be true, public opinion may sway in Trump's direction toward building a border barrier. They cannot have this.

The only crisis is the one Trump created by separating families and creating conditions of mass rape of girls and young women by men of all stripes.

Trump created? You are too dumb to know that you are a dumb.

What did Barack and other Presidents did for years ? Catched and released Or kept in jail as whole family?

Anyone?

“What changed was the administration’s handling of these cases. Undocumented immigrant families seeking asylum previously were released and went into the civil court system, but now the parents are being detained and sent to criminal courts while their kids are resettled in the United States as though they were unaccompanied minors.”

“Katie Waldman, a spokeswoman for Nielsen, said the administration does not have a family-separation policy. But Waldman agreed that Trump officials are exercising their prosecutorial discretion to charge more illegal-entry offenses, which in turn causes more family separations. The Obama administration also separated immigrant families, she said.”

““During the Obama administration there was no policy in place that resulted in the systematic separation of families at the border, like we are now seeing under the Trump administration,” said Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute. “Our understanding is that generally parents were not prosecuted for illegal entry under President Obama. There may have been some separation if there was suspicion that the children were being trafficked or a claimed parent-child relationship did not actually exist. But nothing like the levels we are seeing today.””

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/

There is a simple way for these parents to stop separations: do not enter the U.S. illegally.

Bingo! This is not a difficult concept.

Apparently it is, for you. They are separating people who are coming here legally to seek asylum.

If they are truly seeking asylum, all who are not Mexican citizens can do that in Mexico. Hmmm... wonder why they don't do that.

Many do. Some have family or other connections to the US which provides a potential support network. If your family was in distress and your option was Norway where you didn't know anyone, or Sweden where you had some 5th cousins, where would you go?

If my family was truly in distress such that I needed to seek asylum, I would take the option that gives me immediate relief, regardless of my potential support network. I would not risk my kids' lives, my daughter or me getting raped or dying in the desert, and all the dangers entailed in going through Mexico. Period.

You have no idea what you’d do if you were truly in that situation.

[Anonymous]

Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?

Liar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are democrats so desperate to obstruct border security?

They aren't. Stop spreading lies.

Everyone wants border security. Everyone wants common sense, practical immigration reform.

Ask your idiot POTUS why he wants to die on that hill he calls "The Wall" instead of trying to encourage bipartisan efforts to work on practical solutions? Ask him why he would choose to demonize the immigrants who come to our border instead of talking about the real reasons they come...desperation to flee countries where gang violence and murder rates are outrageous and poverty is rampant.

Because he and the GOP don't really care about you or me or anyone at the border. They just like whipping people into a frenzy, so that they can get votes and stay in power.

The crisis at the border is multi-faceted and requires practical solutions. Try listening to what people who actually work for ICE and live and work in border towns are saying instead of right-wing propaganda.

You want real solutions? Stop propping up these charlatans.

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.

+1000

I see, your solution is to have American citizens pay even MORE taxes for people who are not citizens, pay very little if any in taxes and have broken the law to be here. Americans are responsible for educating their own kids, not Mexico's (and not Honduras or Guatemala) We can not be on the hook for paying for every illegal immigrant whose kids inftrate our schools.

My kids school in just 5 short years has shot up to 40% ESOL immigrant from less than 3%. The immigrants soak up a majority of resources and get extras the American citizen kids don't get (special ESOL field trips, extra support and tutoring in the classroom, etc) I volunteer and see it constantly. It is disgraceful. There is enough money already for the American kids, no need for more taxes and more burdens on Americans. It's our Sanctuary status and the influx of their kids that is breaking our schools.

Enough already, Libs. We see you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.

+1000

I see, your solution is to have American citizens pay even MORE taxes for people who are not citizens, pay very little if any in taxes and have broken the law to be here. Americans are responsible for educating their own kids, not Mexico's (and not Honduras or Guatemala) We can not be on the hook for paying for every illegal immigrant whose kids inftrate our schools.

My kids school in just 5 short years has shot up to 40% ESOL immigrant from less than 3%. The immigrants soak up a majority of resources and get extras the American citizen kids don't get (special ESOL field trips, extra support and tutoring in the classroom, etc) I volunteer and see it constantly. It is disgraceful. There is enough money already for the American kids, no need for more taxes and more burdens on Americans. It's our Sanctuary status and the influx of their kids that is breaking our schools.

Enough already, Libs. We see you.

You are just making shit up. I doubt you even have any kids in school.