Children Sacrificed to Pay for Easy Access to Guns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Same rules should apply for all irresponsible behavior of adults. Potential death can result of children who get access to you car, your meds, your alcohol, your kitchen knives, your toxic cleaning supplies.

Let's be honest here.

These are highly regulated and controlled. Let's apply the same rules to guns.

Let me know when you need a background check or a car purchase, or register your bottle of Vodka. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have background checks or registration of guns, but comments like yours are plain silly and does not help move the conversation forward.

Let's see....
1. You need to register your car.
2. Pay taxes on your car.
3. Take a driving test.
4. Have a valid license.
5. Have car insurance.
6. Get an rx from a doctor.
7. Rxs are researched and impact on health is evaluated.
8. Drinking age is 21.

I think each regulation here may be beneficial for guns.

You never want to move the conversation forward so no need to discuss any of this with you.

1. There is no federal law that says a vehicle must be registered. Registration requirement is by state, and most states have conditions under which a vehicle is not required to be registered.
2. You pay taxes on guns too.
3. There is no federal law requiring a driving test. Driving test laws vary state by state. If you drive only on private land, you don't need a license, and therefore no test. Most states require a safety class/test for open and/or concealed carry firearms permits.
4. See #3
5. Lawfully unregistered vehicles don't need insurance.
6. OTC medicine does not, and many previously prescription-only drugs have become OTC. Similarly, full auto weapons as well as certain types of accessories such as a silencer are heavily regulated.
7. There are laws regarding merchandise safety. Unsafe guns are subject to recall.
8. Federal law for sale of rifles is 18 years old, and sale of handguns is 21 years old. There is no age limit to operate a firearm.

These things are a lot more similar than you think. We own multiple guns, all of which are locked in safes, with the magazines and ammo locked in a different safe. The first thing I did before buying a gun was to spend $300 on a safety class. I believe in universal background checks and that all private party sales should be processed through a local dealer that can do FFL transfers. I support "common sense gun legislation" but it becomes hard to have a meaningful discussion when you do not understand what laws are already in place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Same rules should apply for all irresponsible behavior of adults. Potential death can result of children who get access to you car, your meds, your alcohol, your kitchen knives, your toxic cleaning supplies.

Let's be honest here.

These are highly regulated and controlled. Let's apply the same rules to guns.

Let me know when you need a background check or a car purchase, or register your bottle of Vodka. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have background checks or registration of guns, but comments like yours are plain silly and does not help move the conversation forward.

Let's see....
1. You need to register your car.
2. Pay taxes on your car.
3. Take a driving test.
4. Have a valid license.
5. Have car insurance.
6. Get an rx from a doctor.
7. Rxs are researched and impact on health is evaluated.
8. Drinking age is 21.

I think each regulation here may be beneficial for guns.

You never want to move the conversation forward so no need to discuss any of this with you.

1. There is no federal law that says a vehicle must be registered. Registration requirement is by state, and most states have conditions under which a vehicle is not required to be registered.
2. You pay taxes on guns too.
3. There is no federal law requiring a driving test. Driving test laws vary state by state. If you drive only on private land, you don't need a license, and therefore no test. Most states require a safety class/test for open and/or concealed carry firearms permits.
4. See #3
5. Lawfully unregistered vehicles don't need insurance.
6. OTC medicine does not, and many previously prescription-only drugs have become OTC. Similarly, full auto weapons as well as certain types of accessories such as a silencer are heavily regulated.
7. There are laws regarding merchandise safety. Unsafe guns are subject to recall.
8. Federal law for sale of rifles is 18 years old, and sale of handguns is 21 years old. There is no age limit to operate a firearm.

These things are a lot more similar than you think. We own multiple guns, all of which are locked in safes, with the magazines and ammo locked in a different safe. The first thing I did before buying a gun was to spend $300 on a safety class. I believe in universal background checks and that all private party sales should be processed through a local dealer that can do FFL transfers. I support "common sense gun legislation" but it becomes hard to have a meaningful discussion when you do not understand what laws are already in place.

And it gets harder when you blow off each point.

1. To operate a car it must be registered
2. No annual property taxes (or heavy tax like cigarettes)
3. No test to own/operate a gun (special permits aside)
4. No license to operate a gun, written/practical, renewed periodically
5. To operate a car it must be insured
6. Pass a background check (or not) and anyone can get a gun
7. There is a freeze on federal funds for gun violence research
8. No age limit to operate a gun

Anyway, cars, meds, and alcohol are certainly more controlled than guns. Not sure why you're continuing to argue that they aren't.

Kitchen knives and kitchen cleaners though? Yeah, watch out for those.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Same rules should apply for all irresponsible behavior of adults. Potential death can result of children who get access to you car, your meds, your alcohol, your kitchen knives, your toxic cleaning supplies.

Let's be honest here.

These are highly regulated and controlled. Let's apply the same rules to guns.

Let me know when you need a background check or a car purchase, or register your bottle of Vodka. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have background checks or registration of guns, but comments like yours are plain silly and does not help move the conversation forward.

Let's see....
1. You need to register your car.
2. Pay taxes on your car.
3. Take a driving test.
4. Have a valid license.
5. Have car insurance.
6. Get an rx from a doctor.
7. Rxs are researched and impact on health is evaluated.
8. Drinking age is 21.

I think each regulation here may be beneficial for guns.

You never want to move the conversation forward so no need to discuss any of this with you.

1. There is no federal law that says a vehicle must be registered. Registration requirement is by state, and most states have conditions under which a vehicle is not required to be registered.
2. You pay taxes on guns too.
3. There is no federal law requiring a driving test. Driving test laws vary state by state. If you drive only on private land, you don't need a license, and therefore no test. Most states require a safety class/test for open and/or concealed carry firearms permits.
4. See #3
5. Lawfully unregistered vehicles don't need insurance.
6. OTC medicine does not, and many previously prescription-only drugs have become OTC. Similarly, full auto weapons as well as certain types of accessories such as a silencer are heavily regulated.
7. There are laws regarding merchandise safety. Unsafe guns are subject to recall.
8. Federal law for sale of rifles is 18 years old, and sale of handguns is 21 years old. There is no age limit to operate a firearm.

These things are a lot more similar than you think. We own multiple guns, all of which are locked in safes, with the magazines and ammo locked in a different safe. The first thing I did before buying a gun was to spend $300 on a safety class. I believe in universal background checks and that all private party sales should be processed through a local dealer that can do FFL transfers. I support "common sense gun legislation" but it becomes hard to have a meaningful discussion when you do not understand what laws are already in place.

"No federal law" means we have a completely inconsistent patchwork of laws leaving tons of loopholes. Not that there aren't already a ton of gaping loopholes like the millions of guns that change hands each year via private transactions without any background checks or paper trail.

[Anonymous]

Comprehensive article about the thousands of children shot and killed each year in the US of A.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/20/19-children-are-shot-every-day-in-the-united-states/?utm_term=.2ed7196a9b70

Pathetic. Get your shit together, gun owners.

[Anonymous]

June 17, 2017 -- SPARTANBURG, S.C. - A 4-year old girl died after authorities said she was accidentally shot by her 6-year old sister in Spartanburg, South Carolina. ... Police said it's unclear how the 6-year-old got her hands on the gun, but they don't plan on filing any charges.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/4-year-old-dies-after-accidently-shot-by-6-year-old-sister/535069371

[Anonymous]

June 19, 2017, Pennsylvania -- A 4-year-old boy shot himself in the face Sunday morning at a family home in Chestnuthill Township, Monroe County, state police said. Bentley Thomas Koch, the son of a Freemansburg firefighter, was found at 11:11 a.m. inside the home at 589 Ash Lane, according to troopers.

http://www.mcall.com/news/police/mc-monroe-four-year-old-death-0619-20170619-story.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/health/kids-families/child-gun-deaths-cdc-bentley-koch-20170619.html

Hope you're proud of yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Seriously, these are NOT accidents. When we allow people to get away with their kids getting hold of loaded weapons, we are Condoning stupidity.

These people need to be charged. Otherwise, the carnage continues

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hard on for guns in this country is pathetic. A bunch of paranoid, wannabe cowboys. I get of you live in North Dakota and want to hunt an elk or whatever with a rifle (black powder musket if you want to do it like our fore fathers), but generally handguns serve no purpose other than killing humans. It's such a sad state of affairs. We live in a culture than glorifies ignorance and violence. Revels in it. Viewers are more sheltered from a naked breast on tv than Schwarzenegger blasting hundred of people away. I guess we're a culture of roughly 50% low brow WWF fans. Maybe the movie Idiocracy was actually a documentary. Flame away. I welcome it. You and your guns are the problem, not me. I wish I was living back in Sydney, Australia and not with so many people who witness tragedy every day, but are either too f*cking myopic or filled with cognitive dissonance to do anything about it. F*ck you for putting our children at risk for your paranoia.

Your (silly, cliched, hyperbolic, ignorant, stereotypical, uninformed) opinion has been noted.

Thanks.

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Idiots

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, these are NOT accidents. When we allow people to get away with their kids getting hold of loaded weapons, we are Condoning stupidity.

These people need to be charged. Otherwise, the carnage continues

+1

[Anonymous]

Parkland victims:

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

I started this thread almost 2 years ago. I stopped because it got too depressing to spend time every day writing about dead babies. Perhaps I should start again. Maybe we can make something happen.

[Anonymous]

Dumbest thread on here, and we have some doozies. More proof that the issue is mental illness.


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/04/19/man-stabbed-ventura-steakhouse/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I started this thread almost 2 years ago. I stopped because it got too depressing to spend time every day writing about dead babies. Perhaps I should start again. Maybe we can make something happen.

Doubtful, seeing as how the issue never has been access to guns.

[Anonymous]

So, we’re back to mental illness, huh?

Is your side actually doing anything about this? Never mind, we all already know the answer

I guess the toddlers who shoot people dead are mentally ill, huh?