MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright

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Her words of comfort for the family of the young man she killed are so full of remorse.

It’s a resignation letter not a public statement. 🙄

She knows full well it is a public statement.

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Her words of comfort for the family of the young man she killed are so full of remorse.

Why would there be words of comfort to the family. This was a resignation letter to her employer, not an apology or sympathy letter to the family. It would have been inappropriate (and likely legally unadvisable) to express any remorse.

This kind of attitude is a big problem in our society. Interestingly studies have been done of the litigiousness of victims of medical malpractice. It’s been clearly established that a forthright and sincere apology from the negligent medical provider would forestall legal action in a great many cases.

Lawyers are a scourge. (I am a lawyer, for the record.)

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Her words of comfort for the family of the young man she killed are so full of remorse.

Why would there be words of comfort to the family. This was a resignation letter to her employer, not an apology or sympathy letter to the family. It would have been inappropriate (and likely legally unadvisable) to express any remorse.

This kind of attitude is a big problem in our society. Interestingly studies have been done of the litigiousness of victims of medical malpractice. It’s been clearly established that a forthright and sincere apology from the negligent medical provider would forestall legal action in a great many cases.

Lawyers are a scourge. (I am a lawyer, for the record.)

As a lawyer, would you have advised Daunte Wright to write a forthright and sincere apology before any legal proceedings when he robbed that young woman at gun point?

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Policing here. Not policing everywhere.

How do they apprehend fugitives in countries where most police don't carry guns? Let's try that.

Even in the US, most criminals are “apprehended” without drawing weapons. That’s because most subjects comply. Resistance is when risks increase for officers. And because the US is awash in guns, police are very much on edge.

And in case you didn’t notice, this officer attempted to use less than lethal force but made a really bad mistake.

I don't mean Kim Potter should have tried whatever is routinely done elsewhere. I mean maybe we start over, disarm most police, and standard practice becomes apprehensions the way they are done in places where most police are not armed. Because the way we are doing it, it doesn't seem to be working too well.

It’s not “the way we’re doing it.” It’s the reality we’re living in.

The way we're doing policing doesn't seem to be working. In the reality we're in, it fails to deliver the results we want. We should reconsider whether this is the right way to do it. Changing our policing practices, unlike all of the larger systemic problems to which you rightfully point, is directly within the control of the people who employ the police. If you can't agree to this extremely narrow proposition, you're here as a cop apologist.

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Anonymous wrote:Just the fact she resigned immediately showed a lot more remorse than other police officers in similar situations, imo.

Not necessarily, especially since she said nothing indicating remorse for the negligent killing.

When it comes to preservation of pension and other benefits resignation (which is essentially retirement for a 26 year veteran of the force) is better than being fired for cause.

But it’s nice to live the nice white lady the benefit of the doubt.

Actions speak louder than words and her attorney would have told her not to say a word.

And as I’ve already mentioned, the action of resigning is likely motivated by an intention to preserve her pension and benefits.

She and her family have already begun a relocation out of Minnesota. How does that square with her commitment help the healing of the community she’s served for 26 years? She’s made her bank off arresting black and brown folks for 26 years and ready to spend it in Florida, no doubt. Hope she gets a diversion to the Minnesota state prison system for a little while.

Potter's pension can't be taken away in Minnesota. It could be garnished as the result of a civil suit, but as is frequently discussed, qualified immunity will make it nearly impossible to collect from her.

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Have to wonder if Daunte thought he could actually get away in light of the trial going on 10 miles away.

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Policing here. Not policing everywhere.

How do they apprehend fugitives in countries where most police don't carry guns? Let's try that.

Even in the US, most criminals are “apprehended” without drawing weapons. That’s because most subjects comply. Resistance is when risks increase for officers. And because the US is awash in guns, police are very much on edge.

And in case you didn’t notice, this officer attempted to use less than lethal force but made a really bad mistake.

I don't mean Kim Potter should have tried whatever is routinely done elsewhere. I mean maybe we start over, disarm most police, and standard practice becomes apprehensions the way they are done in places where most police are not armed. Because the way we are doing it, it doesn't seem to be working too well.

It’s not “the way we’re doing it.” It’s the reality we’re living in.

The way we're doing policing doesn't seem to be working. In the reality we're in, it fails to deliver the results we want. We should reconsider whether this is the right way to do it. Changing our policing practices, unlike all of the larger systemic problems to which you rightfully point, is directly within the control of the people who employ the police. If you can't agree to this extremely narrow proposition, you're here as a cop apologist.

And what exactly is this extremely narrow proposition?

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Anonymous wrote:If I were on that jury, there is a zero percent chance I would find her guilty.

...and that's why the jury selection process is so important and time consuming. They usually weed out closed minded people like you. You'll never take the time to dig deeper into what happened and why it possibly happened. It's just another young Black man off the streets for you. Have a good day!

It also weeds out people like you.

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PP here. I don't agree that they should've just let him go and get him later. However, there's a lot of options between letting him go and killing him on the spot. I think she "probably" made the right decision to use the taser but I don't have all the details. Either way, she messed up and needs to be held accountable. I disagree with the city's decision to let her resign. If I'm correct, this means she still gets her pension, etc. She should be fired and have to forfeit any future compensation.

My understanding is that the mayor has not accepted her resignation. I’m sure he’s exploring the city’s legal options; however, police unions negotiate contracts that cover cops in the worst of circumstances, and she was the police union president so I’m guessing she has her ass covered.

Of course he did. I don't know what news sources you get your information from, but you should double check these things. There would be no reason to reject the resignation under these circumstances.

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Anonymous wrote:Now we all know how different this would have played it if it were, God forbid, my white daughter. My heart goes out to his Mom, his girlfriend, his CHILD. The police force here in US needs to learn a gun isn’t the FIRST response.

Hopefully you have taught your white daughter to follow police directions if she gets pulled over.

No way. I told her she absolutely must not take her shirt off or give head even if he insists.

That’s not the facts of this case, pp.

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Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Interesting that little factoid isn't so easy to find. This thug not only pulled a gun on her, but choked her as well in 2019.

Seriously glad the officers weren't hurt!

That's right. Smear the murder victim every single time. When you can't find any dirt, make some up.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were on that jury, there is a zero percent chance I would find her guilty.

...and that's why the jury selection process is so important and time consuming. They usually weed out closed minded people like you. You'll never take the time to dig deeper into what happened and why it possibly happened. It's just another young Black man off the streets for you. Have a good day!

It also weeds out people like you.

another point that is true about our f'd up system. Minorities and people critical of the po po don't ever make it on these types of juries.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were on that jury, there is a zero percent chance I would find her guilty.

...and that's why the jury selection process is so important and time consuming. They usually weed out closed minded people like you. You'll never take the time to dig deeper into what happened and why it possibly happened. It's just another young Black man off the streets for you. Have a good day!

It also weeds out people like you.

DP. They probably would weed me out. But the reality is, based on what I saw in that video, it's hard to imagine what evidence they could provide that would get me to convict on second degree manslaughter. That requires a conscious decision to make an unreasonable and dangerous act. It sure looks like she thought she grabbed her taser, which doesn't seem unreasonable for that situation.

Perhaps there is some other charge that I could be convinced of, but not second degree manslaughter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Her words of comfort for the family of the young man she killed are so full of remorse.

Why would there be words of comfort to the family. This was a resignation letter to her employer, not an apology or sympathy letter to the family. It would have been inappropriate (and likely legally unadvisable) to express any remorse.

This kind of attitude is a big problem in our society. Interestingly studies have been done of the litigiousness of victims of medical malpractice. It’s been clearly established that a forthright and sincere apology from the negligent medical provider would forestall legal action in a great many cases.

Lawyers are a scourge. (I am a lawyer, for the record.)

As a lawyer, would you have advised Daunte Wright to write a forthright and sincere apology before any legal proceedings when he robbed that young woman at gun point?

Wow, is this true?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Daunte Wright committing armed robbery with a deadly weapon IS serious. Stop trying to minimize his criminal past.



Nevertheless, the tape shows the female officer here simply made a tragic mistake.

There is NO evidence of racism or bad intent here. None whatsoever.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that the color of his skin is why it even escalated to him being tased.

So the alternative is let him drive off?

YES. Apprehend him later. No one needed to die over any of this.

Huh. And what happens the next time - any reason to believe he won’t resist a third time? So we should just sit around and wait from criminals to turn themselves in when they feel like it?

There are division in the police that pick people up on warrants. That is literally their whole job.

Oh my god, here comes the NYPD blue expert. Yes, there are fugitive squads. They are there to track down very, very bad guys, and other less bad guys if they have the time. Should police just stop making arrests and rely on one small squad to later track down everyone and find them? How about when the criminal with the warrant they just let go because the criminal decided he wasn’t ready commits other crimes. Are you serious? You have no idea how policing works.

Policing here. Not policing everywhere.

How do they apprehend fugitives in countries where most police don't carry guns? Let's try that.

Even in the US, most criminals are “apprehended” without drawing weapons. That’s because most subjects comply. Resistance is when risks increase for officers. And because the US is awash in guns, police are very much on edge.

And in case you didn’t notice, this officer attempted to use less than lethal force but made a really bad mistake.

I don't mean Kim Potter should have tried whatever is routinely done elsewhere. I mean maybe we start over, disarm most police, and standard practice becomes apprehensions the way they are done in places where most police are not armed. Because the way we are doing it, it doesn't seem to be working too well.

It’s not “the way we’re doing it.” It’s the reality we’re living in.

The way we're doing policing doesn't seem to be working. In the reality we're in, it fails to deliver the results we want. We should reconsider whether this is the right way to do it. Changing our policing practices, unlike all of the larger systemic problems to which you rightfully point, is directly within the control of the people who employ the police. If you can't agree to this extremely narrow proposition, you're here as a cop apologist.

And what exactly is this extremely narrow proposition?

We should reconsider all elements of policing.