MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
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Anonymous
If you felt your life was in danger would you try to escape? |
Anonymous
Why is it acceptable to you to kill someone for resisting arres |
Anonymous
| The rush to charge the officer with manslaughter when there hasn’t even been time for a thorough investigation was a performative joke. No sane jury will convict her and then every yahoo will be out in the street burning and looting over what was clearly a tragic accident. I guess facts and reason don’t matter anymore. |
Anonymous
Show me where I said it’s acceptable. Guess what? You can’t. Learn to read. |
Anonymous
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Black people are killed when they comply with police.
They are killed by police when not breaking ant laws. They are killed for misdemeanor s. They are killed when taken into police custody. When black people are pulled over there's an automatic fear for life. Why is it acceptable for leos to fear for their lives and kill civilians, but it's not acceptable for civilians to flee in fear for their lives? |
Anonymous
You wrote advocating excuses for resisting arrest will icause more deaths that implied you think it's acceptable for police to us deadly force for resisting arrest. If that's not what you mean I suggest you learn to write what you mean. Better yet, I suggest you form a well thought argument instead of just repeating talking points, and then lashing out with insults when called out on your stance. |
Anonymous
Resisting arrest puts you in greater danger than if you comply. That’s the reality, and I doubt it will ever change. Certainly not in our lifetimes. You’re living in a fantasy world if you don’t understand that. |
Anonymous
| So hitting an officer in the head with a hammer is fine if you are white? Is that not resisting? |
Anonymous
NP, but I didn't see PP saying resisting arrest = acceptable police killing. PP said that resisting arrest INCREASES the chances of a police killing, shooting, use of deadly force, etc. Which is a simple fact. It shouldn't happen, but if cops feel threatened in the moment - well, they're the ones that are armed. And once deadly force is used (whether appropriately or not), it cannot be taken back, so the person is dead for good. Complying with police orders minimizes the chance of that happening, though I realize it is not always true for Black people. Let me be clear: I don't think using deadly force in response to someone resisting arrest is acceptable. And there are plenty of cops who abuse their power and who should be punished for that. I am all for noting down their badge number, recording the interaction, and making complaints after the fact if the officer's behavior is inappropriate. But if someone resists arrest, they may not live to be able to do that, even if the shooting is totally unjustified and the officer is later prosecuted. They're still dead. I agree that we should be focused on deescalation training and that obviously resisting arrest during a traffic stop shouldn't lead to shooting by the police. But encouraging people to resist arrest will (this is a separate question from should/should not) lead to escalation in some cases. We shouldn't encourage people to do that, and I say this as a POC myself. |
Anonymous
Second degree manslaughter is a charge used in the case of "negligent killing," according to a former judge from Minnesota in the news article link below. It is a perfectly appropriate charge in this case. We can all see on the video that Potter killed Wright thinking she was using a taser - so, there you go, a killing which was *negligent*. Yeah, facts and reason *do* matter and in this case they support a second-degree manslaughter charge. Anyway, if anyone wants to see this legal expert's discussion of the criteria for different possible charges, it's worth your while to check out this link: https://kstp.com/news/former-judge-explains-reasoning-behind-manslaughter-charge-for-officer-who-shot-daunte-wright/6075504/ |
Anonymous
I agree with your direction but you are missing a major point. There are many completely justifiable reasons why resistance leads use of force, and sometimes deadly force. Obviously, people who resist arrest are impulsive risk takers and are often willing to do whatever it takes including killing an officer to get away. But just as importantly, the mere fact that an officer possesses a weapon raises the stakes for that officer big time. The resister can strike and incapacitate and officer and steal their gun, or wrestle the gun away, and kill the officer and others with the gun. Officers are trained that this can quickly escalate to a life or death situation for them and they act accordingly. All of this on top of the fact that I understand this subject was charged with armed robbery, and was wanted on a warrant for possession of an illegal weapon and resisting arrest, would cause a much greater level of fear and alert on behalf of an officer. |
Anonymous
No. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/liberty-u-officer-who-shot-student-during-sledge-hammer-attack-wont-be-charged/2014/02/27/ca0eb332-9fee-11e3-b8d8-94577ff66b28_story.html It isn’t a good idea to attack anyone with a hammer that is known to be armed with a gun. I suspect that people who do these things are often struggling with objective reality. |
Anonymous
Richard Frase, a professor of criminal law at the University of Minnesota, said the second-degree manslaughter statute is worded narrowly enough that the case might prove difficult for prosecutors to prove, noting that it requires them to show that Ms. Potter consciously took a chance of “causing death or great bodily harm.” “She thinks she’s firing a Taser,” he said of the former officer. “How can we prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she consciously took chances of at least causing great bodily harm?” In other words they have to prove she intended to cause him great harm. She intended to use non-lethal force. What she used is not relevant to the elements of the crime. Her intent is the element. Her intent is pretty clear. |
Anonymous
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Wow 34 pages and nothing has changed.
1. A police officer for 26 years, with training to know the difference in a heated situation between a gun and a taser. 26 YEARS . 2. Shot a man dead. Doesn't matter what his prior acts were. 3. It's manslaughter people whether she meant for it to happen or not. |
Anonymous
| I think the bitter irony is that the people who are most likely to need police protection the most as also the people who fear them the most. It must be a nearly impossible way to live. |