We need massively stepped up criminal enforcement and convictions in DC

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

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That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^click and read down for info re: the amount of evidence, priors and USAO cutting a deal that has him out on monitoring. Glad the cops got some kudos for it, has to be hard to see the guy around immediately.

Yes, the police deserve credit. But I tend to think that the attitude of "why respond, why arrest" coming from the police is ADDING to the problem of why prosecutors won't prosecute. If some other guy commits 10 armed robberies but the police don't respond or act on it the first 9 times and then he finally gets arrested the only thing the prosecutor will see is the one response and the one arrest, one charge, and will treat it like a first time offender, give him the plea deals and whatever else. But if the police actually respond every time, get the details every time, arrest every chance they get, that's when you get the opportunity to tie all of the cases together, that's when the guy shows up before the prosecutor with multiple priors and multiple charges that gives the prosecutor a lot less wiggle room. Not to mention, if the prosecutor drops the case it's the prosecutor's fault the guy is out on the street, but if the police don't respond or don't arrest then it's the police's fault he's out on the street.

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Anonymous wrote:This is interesting.

That's f'ed up. Totally wrong move. They need to go after the street fences, along with the scam food trucks and a ton of other vendor problems.

The question is always why don't authorities go after criminals?

Crime is down everywhere. Except for DC.

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

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44% fewer arrests, because of a 2.8% budget cut?

I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

I don’t blame police for things like this. If they stop arresting criminals, it’s for a reason. Like they know the criminals will be out on the streets again the next day so why bother. The issue is the prosecutors, and the laws.

There's some faulty logic there. The laws aren't preventing MPD from doing their jobs.

And let's get something straight here - if the prosecutors don't prosecute, that's the fault of the prosecutors.

But if the police don't even arrest in the first place, that's the fault of the police.

If the police don't like that the prosecutors are falling down on the job, the right answer is NOT to stop doing their own jobs, it's do demand accountability from the prosecutors and to highlight how it's the prosecutors who aren't doing their jobs. When police aren't doing their jobs they lose all clout and credibility where it comes to shifting the blame.

“The laws are not preventing MPD from doing their jobs” ???

Are you for real????

Did you not see the actual DC government flyer posted above, which literally prohibits MPD from enforcing anything against unlicensed, unlawful, completely-unregulated street vendors??

And we all know the council banned MPD from pursuing criminals in vehicles, even when the police directly witness criminal offenses. MPD are required to just let them go.

What planet of ignorance are you living on, PP??

[Anonymous]

So many ANC seem to have radical views or be very comfortable lying, or both. How did we get here?

Yet REALITY is:

The Brazilian press is reporting that the Washington, DC homicide rate is now twice that of Rio de Janeiro.

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mundo/2024/01/homicidios-disparam-em-washington-na-contramao-do-indice-nos-estados-unidos.shtml

Obviously they are more informed than Peter Wood. Why are so many spewing so much disinformation? Are they all DSA? Are they all DC Justice Lab puppets? Who is pushing so hard for the status quo as more and more die (mostly black kids and black men) and are harmed?

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

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I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.


Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

This. We have disincentivized decent diligent people from wanting to be police officers. Why do it if the criminals you arrest aren't prosecuted and are just put back on the street immediately?

Diligent and decent police don't engage in a chase over someone riding a scooter on a sidewalk and then cover it up with their commanding officers.

That was a well known felon and drug dealer.

Cops gave chase, and he killed himself because of his recklessness.

Meanwhile, the cops were sentenced to prison for murder.

The USAO, Matthew Graves, declines to prosecute 67 percent of all arrests in DC. But he will go after the police.

Police officers are aware.

They are not going to do anything to help anyone when those are the stakes.

I hope a significant portion of the MPD resigns, or at least does the bare minimum, so hopefully the DC Council will wake up.

On a related note, what does everyone think will happen to DC in 5 years? Are a lot of UMC people leaving the city?

[Anonymous]

Curious if any companies or federal agencies have noticed an impact on hiring or retention of people for DC positions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many ANC seem to have radical views or be very comfortable lying, or both. How did we get here?

Yet REALITY is:

The Brazilian press is reporting that the Washington, DC homicide rate is now twice that of Rio de Janeiro.

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mundo/2024/01/homicidios-disparam-em-washington-na-contramao-do-indice-nos-estados-unidos.shtml

Obviously they are more informed than Peter Wood. Why are so many spewing so much disinformation? Are they all DSA? Are they all DC Justice Lab puppets? Who is pushing so hard for the status quo as more and more die (mostly black kids and black men) and are harmed?

I really don’t understand these people at all. “We are better than a lot of Brazilian cities.” Ummm ok? Is that our standard? A country that’s widely known for brutal gang violence? Our homicide rate is bad by US standards. That’s really all that matters.

[Anonymous]

I'm not going to play along with the tactics that try to derail any convo about serious crime in DC by shifting it to bad cops or white collar crime, or "MAGA."

Freddie Gray poster, start your own thread. It has nothing to do with the title of this one.

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

Look, what happened in the Freddy Gray case has had a major impact in DC.

George Floyd was not killed anywhere near DC, but the effects were felt in DC, all over the US and even outside the US.

The Baltimore police prosecutions had a major effect.

Also, you sent an extremely powerful message when you, and other BLM supporters, kept repeating “DEFUND THE POLICE.”

How do you think police in DC and across the USA perceived your message?

[Anonymous]

I hope a significant portion of the MPD resigns, or at least does the bare minimum, so hopefully the DC Council will wake up.

On a related note, what does everyone think will happen to DC in 5 years? Are a lot of UMC people leaving the city?

PP, We have literally seen your 1st 2 points playing out over the past few years.

I think DC will continue to decline. When the CRE implosion is fully felt and fed and commercial leases expire and are renegotiated, will not be good. Particularly bad combo with a Council with little real life work experience who see themselves as international activists rather than DC administrators and leaders. As the city spirals, we get resolutions about Gaza and Cuba. Maybe there is a connection of some sort there given how many are DSA endorsed.

[Anonymous]

Many on the Council are anti-carceral. You have to view their legislation and policies as having that goal. Their Sentencing Commission appointment of a cold blooded murderer is also in that vein.

Public safety is not their jam. Resolutions about international conflicts have happened a few times now. They aggressively defend the status quo "no crime crisis," etc.

[Anonymous]

An anonymous PP wrote:

“Obviously they are more informed than Peter Wood. Why are so many spewing so much disinformation? Are they all DSA? Are they all DC Justice Lab puppets? Who is pushing so hard for the status quo as more and more die (mostly black kids and black men) and are harmed?”


PP, or someone else:

Please help educate people here.

Many here do not understand who “DSA” are (Democratic Socialists of America: a socialist/Marxist group). Many do not understand who DC Justice Lab are, or what they stand for. Both groups have proven extremely effective at influencing the DC City counsel, and the bills (and policies) they pass.

Can I suggest you start a new thread to educate DCUM on these 2 groups?

DC residents need to wake up to the radicalism influencing the DC city counsel. Knowledge is the starting point for changing the crime crisis in our city.