We need massively stepped up criminal enforcement and convictions in DC

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

When people bring in Marxist BLM propaganda, it is our job to disprove it.

That is a huge part of the problem; we are too scared of being called racist to say what needs to be said. That being that for the good of everybody we must reinstate harsh criminal penalties to make sure those that need to be locked up are locked up.

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

Look, what happened in the Freddy Gray case has had a major impact in DC.

George Floyd was not killed anywhere near DC, but the effects were felt in DC, all over the US and even outside the US.

The Baltimore police prosecutions had a major effect.

Also, you sent an extremely powerful message when you, and other BLM supporters, kept repeating “DEFUND THE POLICE.”

How do you think police in DC and across the USA perceived your message?

Stop derailing. Start your own thread. The title of this one is clear. It should be in line with your point, yet you continue to post in a way that will stop engagement.

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

When people bring in Marxist BLM propaganda, it is our job to disprove it.

That is a huge part of the problem; we are too scared of being called racist to say what needs to be said. That being that for the good of everybody we must reinstate harsh criminal penalties to make sure those that need to be locked up are locked up.

This thread is ABOUT greater law enforcement. Can you not read the title?

Stop kitchen sinking Freddie Gray, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

When people bring in Marxist BLM propaganda, it is our job to disprove it.

That is a huge part of the problem; we are too scared of being called racist to say what needs to be said. That being that for the good of everybody we must reinstate harsh criminal penalties to make sure those that need to be locked up are locked up.

But doing so would have a disparate racial impact, and would therefore be per se: racist.

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

When people bring in Marxist BLM propaganda, it is our job to disprove it.

That is a huge part of the problem; we are too scared of being called racist to say what needs to be said. That being that for the good of everybody we must reinstate harsh criminal penalties to make sure those that need to be locked up are locked up.

This thread is ABOUT greater law enforcement. Can you not read the title?

Stop kitchen sinking Freddie Gray, etc.

DP.

So your position is:

- the Freddie Gray and George Floyd deaths had absolutely zero impact on how police do their jobs in 2023, compared to pre-2014??

Please explain.

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

When people bring in Marxist BLM propaganda, it is our job to disprove it.

That is a huge part of the problem; we are too scared of being called racist to say what needs to be said. That being that for the good of everybody we must reinstate harsh criminal penalties to make sure those that need to be locked up are locked up.

But doing so would have a disparate racial impact, and would therefore be per se: racist.

Exactly. Until this insane mentality is flushed down the toilet, nothing in DC will change for the better.

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44% fewer arrests, because of a 2.8% budget cut?

I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

I don’t blame police for things like this. If they stop arresting criminals, it’s for a reason. Like they know the criminals will be out on the streets again the next day so why bother. The issue is the prosecutors, and the laws.

What would you say about a DC government or federal employee who refused to do their job because they didn't like the rhetoric coming from conservatives about government workers?

They'd rightly be fired.

Oh pulease. We watched plenty of government workers phone it in over the pandemic even to this day, and no one was fired.

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Anonymous wrote:^click and read down for info re: the amount of evidence, priors and USAO cutting a deal that has him out on monitoring. Glad the cops got some kudos for it, has to be hard to see the guy around immediately.

Yes, the police deserve credit. But I tend to think that the attitude of "why respond, why arrest" coming from the police is ADDING to the problem of why prosecutors won't prosecute. If some other guy commits 10 armed robberies but the police don't respond or act on it the first 9 times and then he finally gets arrested the only thing the prosecutor will see is the one response and the one arrest, one charge, and will treat it like a first time offender, give him the plea deals and whatever else. But if the police actually respond every time, get the details every time, arrest every chance they get, that's when you get the opportunity to tie all of the cases together, that's when the guy shows up before the prosecutor with multiple priors and multiple charges that gives the prosecutor a lot less wiggle room. Not to mention, if the prosecutor drops the case it's the prosecutor's fault the guy is out on the street, but if the police don't respond or don't arrest then it's the police's fault he's out on the street.

And if said guy pulls a gun on the police and in turn they defend themselves and fire back, guess who is going to get in trouble? Not the criminal, but the cop. So what is the point of even putting your life on the line for these scum bags.

It is just like teachers that are quitting because they cannot enforce rules or discipline but get all the blame for bad behavior.

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44% fewer arrests, because of a 2.8% budget cut?

I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

I don’t blame police for things like this. If they stop arresting criminals, it’s for a reason. Like they know the criminals will be out on the streets again the next day so why bother. The issue is the prosecutors, and the laws.

What would you say about a DC government or federal employee who refused to do their job because they didn't like the rhetoric coming from conservatives about government workers?

They'd rightly be fired.

Oh pulease. We watched plenty of government workers phone it in over the pandemic even to this day, and no one was fired.

Yeah sure Sparky - you probably live in Iowa, have never set foot in DC, and the only thing you've "watched" about government workers is the crap they fed you on FAUX News. Or maybe you're one of the ones who thinks FOX is too liberal for ya.

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Anonymous wrote:^click and read down for info re: the amount of evidence, priors and USAO cutting a deal that has him out on monitoring. Glad the cops got some kudos for it, has to be hard to see the guy around immediately.

Yes, the police deserve credit. But I tend to think that the attitude of "why respond, why arrest" coming from the police is ADDING to the problem of why prosecutors won't prosecute. If some other guy commits 10 armed robberies but the police don't respond or act on it the first 9 times and then he finally gets arrested the only thing the prosecutor will see is the one response and the one arrest, one charge, and will treat it like a first time offender, give him the plea deals and whatever else. But if the police actually respond every time, get the details every time, arrest every chance they get, that's when you get the opportunity to tie all of the cases together, that's when the guy shows up before the prosecutor with multiple priors and multiple charges that gives the prosecutor a lot less wiggle room. Not to mention, if the prosecutor drops the case it's the prosecutor's fault the guy is out on the street, but if the police don't respond or don't arrest then it's the police's fault he's out on the street.

And if said guy pulls a gun on the police and in turn they defend themselves and fire back, guess who is going to get in trouble? Not the criminal, but the cop. So what is the point of even putting your life on the line for these scum bags.

It is just like teachers that are quitting because they cannot enforce rules or discipline but get all the blame for bad behavior.

That's why you wear body cameras. Because that will show the gun and the perp trying to kill you. Although at some point police departments need to stop waiting weeks and weeks until long after the community has already gone apeshit to release the video exonerating the cop. Police departments don't know how to do themselves any favors.

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

When people bring in Marxist BLM propaganda, it is our job to disprove it.

That is a huge part of the problem; we are too scared of being called racist to say what needs to be said. That being that for the good of everybody we must reinstate harsh criminal penalties to make sure those that need to be locked up are locked up.

This thread is ABOUT greater law enforcement. Can you not read the title?

Stop kitchen sinking Freddie Gray, etc.

DP.

So your position is:

- the Freddie Gray and George Floyd deaths had absolutely zero impact on how police do their jobs in 2023, compared to pre-2014??

Please explain.

The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.

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Anonymous wrote:I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

Two police officers were recently convicted of murder because they pursued a criminal who fled from them, and the criminal recklessly drove into a car. People are really wondering why police are more reticent to enforce things these days? There’s a high likelihood a violent criminal will do something stupid and the city will ruin your life in response.

DC police know very well what happened to 6 Baltimore city officers:

- Baltimore prosecuted the officers for doing their jobs (and that prosecutor is now herself a convicted criminal).

DC has made it abundantly clear it is seeking to prosecute police officers.

Why would any reasonable police officer risk his or her salary by doing their job, when DC seems to prosecute officers for doing their job and arresting criminals?

The current situation is not difficult to understand.

Were these the Baltimore cops who killed a guy by slamming him around in the back of a van?

. . .

That is a lie. The 6 officers were criminally indicted, put on trial, found innocent, and fully exonerated.

Then the officers went a step further: they sued the city for malicious and false prosecution: AND THEY WON.

You are lying PP.

What you claim did not happen, as a matter of fact, and as a matter of law.

Yes, they won their suit. But that doesn't somehow make Freddie Gray any less dead, doesn't make the severe spinal injury that he didn't have prior to arrest somehow magically go away.

Not the PP, but I don't understand your point. What point are you making?

The point is that the PP was trying to claim the whole Freddie Gray thing was somehow a lie. The problem with that is that Baltimore Police arrested a guy and he ended up dead from a severe spine injury to his neck while in their custody. Even though they won their suit they were still responsible. If you still don't get it then you probably aren't remotely qualified to even be here having this conversation.

The legally-established facts speak otherwise; both in the criminal and civil proceedings.

You are free to believe whatever fantasy or “alternative facts” you want.

But the actual fact is: the police were simply doing their jobs, and Baltimore tried to imprison them for it.

This is a DC focused thread. Stay on topic.

When people bring in Marxist BLM propaganda, it is our job to disprove it.

That is a huge part of the problem; we are too scared of being called racist to say what needs to be said. That being that for the good of everybody we must reinstate harsh criminal penalties to make sure those that need to be locked up are locked up.

This thread is ABOUT greater law enforcement. Can you not read the title?

Stop kitchen sinking Freddie Gray, etc.

DP.

So your position is:

- the Freddie Gray and George Floyd deaths had absolutely zero impact on how police do their jobs in 2023, compared to pre-2014??

Please explain.

The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.

+ 1000

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44% fewer arrests, because of a 2.8% budget cut?

I smell a rat. What I see from those numbers is that 44% of MPD just stopped doing their jobs because they are butthurt over "defund the police" talk that only amounted to 2.8%. Those cops are in violation of their oath of duty and are fraudulently collecting checks from DC taxpayers.

I don’t blame police for things like this. If they stop arresting criminals, it’s for a reason. Like they know the criminals will be out on the streets again the next day so why bother. The issue is the prosecutors, and the laws.

What would you say about a DC government or federal employee who refused to do their job because they didn't like the rhetoric coming from conservatives about government workers?

They'd rightly be fired.

Oh pulease. We watched plenty of government workers phone it in over the pandemic even to this day, and no one was fired.

Yeah sure Sparky - you probably live in Iowa, have never set foot in DC, and the only thing you've "watched" about government workers is the crap they fed you on FAUX News. Or maybe you're one of the ones who thinks FOX is too liberal for ya.

Nope here in MoCo home of the second to last school districts in the nation to open up schools. I saw how some of my DS teachers couldn't even be bothered to have live classes over Zoom for 1.5 years.

[Anonymous]

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The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.


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Curious if the two posters above actually have any experience in law enforcement, or any families members who have worked in law enforcement. My guess is no. And I don't view it as "self righteous" to remind the "defund the police" crowd that when their babies get carjacked in Georgetown, or they get whacked in the back of the head on the National Mall, or when they are innocent bystanders in a U Street shootout, then they actually might need the police . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


The impact it SHOULD have is for cops to realize that it's not necessary to pin someone to the ground such that they can't breathe, particularly when they aren't armed and weren't resisting. Or to not let someone slam around in the back of a van without a seatbelt. I mean you at least have enough training to not let them hit their heads getting into the back of a cruiser, don'cha?

The impact SHOULD be that maybe cops should take a few minutes out of their day to look at the literal thousands of videos all over Youtube and everywhere else, and the dozens of new ones that get posted every day, which shows cops acting like complete a-holes?

Police really need to work on their reputation and restore community faith and trust in them. But instead police continue to go around acting self righteous, pretending there's no such thing as police abuse, or worse yet, collecting a check but not doing the job.


+ 1000

Curious if the two posters above actually have any experience in law enforcement, or any families members who have worked in law enforcement. My guess is no. And I don't view it as "self righteous" to remind the "defund the police" crowd that when their babies get carjacked in Georgetown, or they get whacked in the back of the head on the National Mall, or when they are innocent bystanders in a U Street shootout, then they actually might need the police . . .

That's completely non-responsive to what the posters above actually posted.

And, regarding your "defund the police" BS here's a reality check for you with some points from another thread:


- DC did not defund MPD. A 2.8% cut does not make that a credible claim.

- DC is not trying to gut MPD staffing. They are offering generous recruitment bonuses.

- DC did not restrict MPD with laws keeping them from doing their jobs.

- DC is not prosecuting MPD officers for doing their jobs. The extremely low prosecution rate of less than 0.2% does not make that a credible claim.

- DC is not trying to hamper prosecutions, their regaining components of accreditation for the Crime Lab shows this.

Could DC do more? Sure. But to claim that DC is defunding police or does not want policing in the face of all of those facts is nothing short of disingenuously idiotic.