Would you really leave America if Trump/Musk are scaring you?

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I’m very upset about not just here but also US-Europe relations as I am from there. I worry about greater impact, travel issues, my aging parents…and I don’t think Europe is safe either.

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Anonymous wrote:Not hyperbole, would you really leave and move to another country? What would be the final draw for you?

What country wants them?

I feel like leaving is based on more than the desire to leave the country. We travel internationally a lot. We have family overseas. We are eligible for a visa for ancestry reasons and my spouse’s company has an office in the UK. We have kids between 12-16. It’s not unreasonable to move. As a military brat myself, I’ve moved internationally 3 times in my childhood.

If you don’t even have a passport and you have toddlers or a college aged kid, it’s not as easy.

We are worried and watching how congress stands up to this craziness. If I feel like we are unsafe and my spouse agrees too, we will figure it out

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very upset about not just here but also US-Europe relations as I am from there. I worry about greater impact, travel issues, my aging parents…and I don’t think Europe is safe either.

With Trump siding with Russia, neither Europe or the US is safe.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very upset about not just here but also US-Europe relations as I am from there. I worry about greater impact, travel issues, my aging parents…and I don’t think Europe is safe either.

With Trump siding with Russia, neither Europe or the US is safe.

Europe is definitely not safe.

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Anonymous wrote:Not hyperbole, would you really leave and move to another country? What would be the final draw for you?

No, I will fight the fascist to the end.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very upset about not just here but also US-Europe relations as I am from there. I worry about greater impact, travel issues, my aging parents…and I don’t think Europe is safe either.

With Trump siding with Russia, neither Europe or the US is safe.

Europe is definitely not safe.

It's not safe, but ideologically more aligned to democratic values that the US has traditionally upheld...with some caveats.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very upset about not just here but also US-Europe relations as I am from there. I worry about greater impact, travel issues, my aging parents…and I don’t think Europe is safe either.

With Trump siding with Russia, neither Europe or the US is safe.

Europe is definitely not safe.

It's not safe, but ideologically more aligned to democratic values that the US has traditionally upheld...with some caveats.

+1.

[Anonymous]

We just bought a large business in Canada, so that will be our ticket if we need to leave.

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Anonymous wrote:We just bought a large business in Canada, so that will be our ticket if we need to leave.

Gross

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure there’s anyplace to hide, really. This is a global problem. We’ve just about exceeded the planet’s carrying capacity. Climate change is accelerating. Right wing authoritarianism is on the rise everywhere. Putin and Trump are trying to carve up the Western hemisphere between them. I wouldn’t want to be in Europe and caught in the middle of that. I also wouldn’t want to live anywhere near the equator as the planet heats up.

I’ve been thinking about buying a couple of acres in a remote spot for off-grid living, but that comes with its own set of challenges, and it still wouldn’t be exactly the peaceful retirement I had envisioned.

The worst part is as always, there are probably More of us who know what's happening is wrong than the perpetrators but we don't know how to organize or take action. And without some drastic action to strengthen the voice against what is happening, it will worsen.

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Hahaha Yates, famously Irish? Limey means British. They...don't like each other. You are learning so much today!

Nope, well aware and recently spent a month in County Sligo which is Yeats country. The PP said she wanted to immigrate to the UK as her grandparents were from the UK. She is a wannabe limey.

^ this definitely screams low-class MAGA


I think it screams Russian troll farm trainee.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Final straw would be when there is no longer freedom of the press. Until then as long as I’m not personally targeted I will stay and do what I can to fight back.

We don’t have foreign passports but have family in Europe who could help.

By the time that happens it will likely be too late to leave. If the government is jailing journalists they probably will ban people from leaving as well.

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If we could we would leave right now. Tge only thing holding us back is jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:We just bought a large business in Canada, so that will be our ticket if we need to leave.

Gross

What is gross about owning a business? Don’t be jealous.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Canadian I was surprised at how fast he turned on us, ripping up trade agreements, and surprised at all the negative comments I hear from Americans that actively hate us. And people wonder how Hitler got into power.

The only thing that will rile up most privileged Americans will be when they come after your SSRIs.

You do know that most privileged Americans are scared of this administration and horrified by Trump. That’s why we are thinking of fleeing our own country. The tone deafness it would take to come on to this thread and say Americans don’t care…. Just wow.

The PP is right. Most Americans don’t care. And maybe privileged Americans like you should use your privilege to do something instead of running away.

NP. If I was a billionaire I’d use my $$ to run anti-trump and Elon ads. I’m privileged, but can’t afford that and compete with the oligarchs, so I’ll run away.

So because you're not a billionaire, you're going to run away and leave the least privileged Americans to suffer?

As opposed to doing what?

+1

What do you expect the PP to do?

How can any individual fight the massive number of idiots who believe the relentless flow of misinformation?

I don't know, maybe not just bail?
What makes you think other countries want to take in selfish cowards?

I know, you'll say it's not your fault and you'll be welcome anywhere because you have money, and you don't care even if you're not welcome because your family blah blah....and that is precisely why Americans are so despised around in the world and why the country was so susceptible to this in the first place.

umm blah blah.. most of us are one or two generations out from people who abandoned their own countries. like sunnis from pakistan - noone is persecuting them, so many of the pakistani drs here went to medical school on the pakistani governments dime, did their 7 years and move to the US instead of staying there and voting and helping foster a liberal democracy. Brazilians or Egyptians, Nigerians, Ghanians, Peruvians- these people immigrated here to make a quick buck, they have no sense of civic responsibility or sacrifice so of course they will bail. many diaspora communities are made up of economic migrants, and people like that dont care about community. also many countries have improved a lot- it used to be that no matter how wealthy you were, you couldnt have the same living standard as in the USA. that is no longer true- but these diaspora communities better move quick, the oligarchs back home might close their borders as well!