Would you really leave America if Trump/Musk are scaring you?

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Be honest! America is great and everywhere else is less awesome. You people are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Be honest! America is great and everywhere else is less awesome. You people are ridiculous.

Sure, if you are a Nazi enthusiast.

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If we had a simple way we’d definitely have done it already, but as far as I’ve been able to tell, we don’t qualify for any ancestral citizenship and can’t afford the business type visas.
So… we stay and fight and pray.
And I am encouraging my 11th grader to consider colleges in other countries

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Anonymous wrote:You're going to feel pretty silly if the next election cycle results in changes in domestic politics and all of a sudden the sky stops falling. Relocating internationally with shifting political winds seems foolish, at best, not to mention expensive and disruptive.

But, if you wear a tinfoil hat and assume there will be no further elections in the U.S. ever, you'll be patting yourself on the back.

Which scenario seems the more likely?

My grandparents lived through WWII in Europe. My grandfather was an RAF pilot. My father fled a dictatorship in a once prosperous and peaceful nation. "Things fall apart, the system cannot hold". There is nothing magical about the US that will keep us from falling into this. No one is coming to save us.

The quote is “things fall apart, the center cannot hold.” It’s from The Second Coming by Yeats.

I was paraphrasing and actually referencing the novel by Chinua Achebe which is about a breakdown of a political system. Hope this helps!

Not really. Achebe used the famous line from Yeats’ poem for his title. The way you wrote it implied it was the quote, which it most certainly isn’t.

He used the first part of the line as the title. I specifically wrote system because the political system is what we're talking about. Anyway glad you got to be pedantic on the internet today! "And say my glory was I had such friends"

Oh just piss off, you wannabe limey.

Hahaha Yates, famously Irish? Limey means British. They...don't like each other. You are learning so much today!

Nope, well aware and recently spent a month in County Sligo which is Yeats country. The PP said she wanted to immigrate to the UK as her grandparents were from the UK. She is a wannabe limey.

Also it’s Yeats, not Yates. Seems like you’re on a roll. Please do leave for the UK. Bland food and terrible weather likely suit you. I always laugh when I see the little UK cars driving around near where I live with huge UK sticker on the back. You’ll fit right in with that dowdy lot.

^ this definitely screams low-class MAGA

And you scream "never lived in the UK." All the celebrities who have decamped to the Cotswolds have re-created the privileged places they left behind as have the few wealthy Brits and Middle Easteners who live in Central London The rest of the countries in the UK do not have the standard of living enjoyed by even the MAGAs in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Be honest! America is great and everywhere else is less awesome. You people are ridiculous.

Sure, if you are a Nazi enthusiast.

Then do stay away from Bavaria and Austria. They also have crucifixes in public spaces that would be more damaging to your pagan souls than the marching Nazis.

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Anonymous wrote:I plan to stay.

If I had kids under 18 I would leave.

I have kids starting college in 2025 and 2027- how would you leave in my place? Serious question, they want to stay!

They are probably old enough so that they would not want to go. If you have younger kids, start now.

You should be happy that you raised children with critical thinking skills who are more realistic about the current world. Perhaps this is why so many young people voted for Trump. They are wiser than their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Be honest! America is great and everywhere else is less awesome. You people are ridiculous.

Sure, if you are a Nazi enthusiast.

Then do stay away from Bavaria and Austria. They also have crucifixes in public spaces that would be more damaging to your pagan souls than the marching Nazis.

I'm making an exit plan in case our dear leader makes living here unbearable.
I believe he'll restrict freedom of speech (he already has).
I believe he's acting as an agent of Russia.
I believe he is destroying American Democracy.
I also believe that the fact that you don't care about any of this makes you a traitor.

And I'm a Christian and would welcome crosses in public places.

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Anonymous wrote:We just bought a large business in Canada, so that will be our ticket if we need to leave.

Gross

DCUM is weird. “gross”? I’m saying it’s “ingenious.”

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It seems you don’t need a visa to go to Argentina.

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Much of this is comical. Few other places in the world will provide a superior quality of life in practical terms.

Try using your "freedom of speech" in many places where you either don't actually have language fluency or where the government places limits on speech which are unknown here, or where the opinions of foreigners are unwelcome.

Good luck finding a place where the political landscape is not subject to change; in any democracy that's a risk and even a given.

Many places feature a predominant lower middle class lifestyle "enjoyed" by most residents. You may be surprised at your inability to improve your quality of life through your own efforts - taxes, culture, the educational system, and the nature of employment opportunities and compensation will suppress most people seeking to rise to higher levels of social and economic class.

Dual nationals may know what they'd be signing up for, the rest of you are mostly clueless hysterics.

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Anonymous wrote:Be honest! America is great and everywhere else is less awesome. You people are ridiculous.

Sure, if you are a Nazi enthusiast.

+1 exactly. That person is lying, even MAGA is exhausted this past month from playing constant defense. They’re tired here, it’s obvs. With Biden they had a break and could enjoy their lives a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:Much of this is comical. Few other places in the world will provide a superior quality of life in practical terms.

Try using your "freedom of speech" in many places where you either don't actually have language fluency or where the government places limits on speech which are unknown here, or where the opinions of foreigners are unwelcome.

Good luck finding a place where the political landscape is not subject to change; in any democracy that's a risk and even a given.

Many places feature a predominant lower middle class lifestyle "enjoyed" by most residents. You may be surprised at your inability to improve your quality of life through your own efforts - taxes, culture, the educational system, and the nature of employment opportunities and compensation will suppress most people seeking to rise to higher levels of social and economic class.

Dual nationals may know what they'd be signing up for, the rest of you are mostly clueless hysterics.

It may be easy for you to give up your democracy, but not for others. Why are you trying to convince the people on this thread who are legitimately worried?

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Anonymous wrote:Much of this is comical. Few other places in the world will provide a superior quality of life in practical terms.

Try using your "freedom of speech" in many places where you either don't actually have language fluency or where the government places limits on speech which are unknown here, or where the opinions of foreigners are unwelcome.

Good luck finding a place where the political landscape is not subject to change; in any democracy that's a risk and even a given.

Many places feature a predominant lower middle class lifestyle "enjoyed" by most residents. You may be surprised at your inability to improve your quality of life through your own efforts - taxes, culture, the educational system, and the nature of employment opportunities and compensation will suppress most people seeking to rise to higher levels of social and economic class.

Dual nationals may know what they'd be signing up for, the rest of you are mostly clueless hysterics.

It may be easy for you to give up your democracy, but not for others. Why are you trying to convince the people on this thread who are legitimately worried?

Maybe because current domestic politics are not to your liking is an imbecilic reason to uproot yourself in a likely futile expectation that somewhere else will be all rainbows and sunshine in perpetuity. You're not going to immediately have a vote in your new domicile, and when you do you may find the candidates are as unappealing as those representing the domestic parties you're running from. The idea that "somewhere else" will surely be better requires more thoughtful consideration and critical analysis than most panicking progressives here are seemingly capable of.

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Anonymous wrote:Much of this is comical. Few other places in the world will provide a superior quality of life in practical terms.

Try using your "freedom of speech" in many places where you either don't actually have language fluency or where the government places limits on speech which are unknown here, or where the opinions of foreigners are unwelcome.

Good luck finding a place where the political landscape is not subject to change; in any democracy that's a risk and even a given.

Many places feature a predominant lower middle class lifestyle "enjoyed" by most residents. You may be surprised at your inability to improve your quality of life through your own efforts - taxes, culture, the educational system, and the nature of employment opportunities and compensation will suppress most people seeking to rise to higher levels of social and economic class.

Dual nationals may know what they'd be signing up for, the rest of you are mostly clueless hysterics.

It may be easy for you to give up your democracy, but not for others. Why are you trying to convince the people on this thread who are legitimately worried?

Maybe because current domestic politics are not to your liking is an imbecilic reason to uproot yourself in a likely futile expectation that somewhere else will be all rainbows and sunshine in perpetuity. You're not going to immediately have a vote in your new domicile, and when you do you may find the candidates are as unappealing as those representing the domestic parties you're running from. The idea that "somewhere else" will surely be better requires more thoughtful consideration and critical analysis than most panicking progressives here are seemingly capable of.

Believe it or not, many in DC are well-travelled. We've lived abroad. We know several languagues. Many of us have even lived as expats before and made a living using other languages or translating.

We've known for decades that life is just as good in many other countries. We don't want to leave this one, but the pros for leaving are starting to pull even with the cons. Leaving would not be undertaken lightly.

Other countries have more stability in their democracy. Other countries would stop a Russian controlled leader from taking over their national government. Our democracy was once one of the strongest in the world. That's no longer the case, and for me, that's sad and even maybe tragic. This is not a short term problem. This is a natural outcome of decades of decline in our level of civil discourse.

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Anonymous wrote:Be honest! America is great and everywhere else is less awesome. You people are ridiculous.

Sure, if you are a Nazi enthusiast.

Then do stay away from Bavaria and Austria. They also have crucifixes in public spaces that would be more damaging to your pagan souls than the marching Nazis.

That's odd, because I am a Christian. Most liberals I know are actually Christians, because if you follow Jesus you should act really woke.

Anyhow, my Christian Irish Quaker ancestors came in here in the 1600s to escape the Catholics and religious persecution, so I plan to stay and fight.

Would advise anyone who recently immigrated to think about returning to their home countries, unless they are worse than the US is becoming right now.