What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also do not see these referenced "red flags" but if you have something, come on and spill it. I don't care if she: took hallucinogens, went to Burning Man, wore crazy outfits, etc. Sounds normal to me, and I have no friends who had a murder-suicide or family annihilation. MS or FA. So stop being all coy. You don't know anything. I know of no profile that fits this situation. If it ends up being MS or FA, show me a similar case. Or are they one of a kind?

The thing about these types of cases is that it is usually shocking without major "red flags". The "red flags" come out later. So in my opinion, the fact that we can't think of this exact scenario, with the baby and dog, doesn't really mean much. The general public would have said the same thing about the Hart family. When has there been a FA case with a profile of a lesbian family? Probably never. But then after the fact it emerges that they were child abusers, like so many other cases. Even the Chris Watts case did not 'fit the profile' since usually the murderer also commits suicide at the end.

I thought the Hart family looked bad immediately. Adopting a whole bunch of kids is a major red flag. Unfortunately. That they were a lesbian couple was definitely a twist though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The historic heat wave that’s scorched a great deal of the Pacific Northwest has been blamed for hundreds of deaths in Oregon, Washington and British Columbia in the past week.
Oregon’s state medical examiner’s office said the extreme heat has killed at least 63 people in the state since Friday. In King County, Washington, which includes Seattle, nearly a dozen people died from the heat Wednesday.
Lisa Lapointe, British Columbia’s chief coroner, said at least 486 sudden deaths had been reported between Friday and Wednesday and that number is set to increase.

Any stats on Mariposa heat deaths?

I don't think those heat deaths are relevant to Mariposa anyway, because inland California is used to having extreme heat and most people have air conditioning (as opposed to parts of the Pacific Northwest where they never get that kind of heat). Most people in Mariposa would have stayed indoors that day, obviously. So who knows why this family decided to go out to an area with no shade on an extremely hot day.

I agree. For all we know they got an early start and planned to hook up with someone and things went awry.
Someone could have walked in from another access, parking in a different lot, or used an ATV.
Perhaps they had pissed someone off. Who knows?

[Anonymous]

Remember their Darrah neighbor said this:

“It's nothing but rattlesnakes and old mines.”.

(In SF Chronicle/paywall)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember their Darrah neighbor said this:

“It's nothing but rattlesnakes and old mines.”.

(In SF Chronicle/paywall)

This? They probably chose this area knowing they’d have it to themselves without fear of being rescued. Perhaps they’d simply had enough.
They knew what the forecast was. They could have chosen any number of family activities but chose to hike.

“This is no recreation area,” said a neighbor, who lives next door to the family’s Darrah property that they also rent out on Airbnb. “It’s a serious hiking area . ... It’s nothing but rattlesnakes and old mines.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also do not see these referenced "red flags" but if you have something, come on and spill it. I don't care if she: took hallucinogens, went to Burning Man, wore crazy outfits, etc. Sounds normal to me, and I have no friends who had a murder-suicide or family annihilation. MS or FA. So stop being all coy. You don't know anything. I know of no profile that fits this situation. If it ends up being MS or FA, show me a similar case. Or are they one of a kind?

The thing about these types of cases is that it is usually shocking without major "red flags". The "red flags" come out later. So in my opinion, the fact that we can't think of this exact scenario, with the baby and dog, doesn't really mean much. The general public would have said the same thing about the Hart family. When has there been a FA case with a profile of a lesbian family? Probably never. But then after the fact it emerges that they were child abusers, like so many other cases. Even the Chris Watts case did not 'fit the profile' since usually the murderer also commits suicide at the end.

I thought the Hart family looked bad immediately. Adopting a whole bunch of kids is a major red flag. Unfortunately. That they were a lesbian couple was definitely a twist though.

Things often are not as they appear. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. It’s easy to put on a happy face, is it not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also do not see these referenced "red flags" but if you have something, come on and spill it. I don't care if she: took hallucinogens, went to Burning Man, wore crazy outfits, etc. Sounds normal to me, and I have no friends who had a murder-suicide or family annihilation. MS or FA. So stop being all coy. You don't know anything. I know of no profile that fits this situation. If it ends up being MS or FA, show me a similar case. Or are they one of a kind?

The thing about these types of cases is that it is usually shocking without major "red flags". The "red flags" come out later. So in my opinion, the fact that we can't think of this exact scenario, with the baby and dog, doesn't really mean much. The general public would have said the same thing about the Hart family. When has there been a FA case with a profile of a lesbian family? Probably never. But then after the fact it emerges that they were child abusers, like so many other cases. Even the Chris Watts case did not 'fit the profile' since usually the murderer also commits suicide at the end.

I thought the Hart family looked bad immediately. Adopting a whole bunch of kids is a major red flag. Unfortunately. That they were a lesbian couple was definitely a twist though.

Things often are not as they appear. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. It’s easy to put on a happy face, is it not?

Oh yeah, the Hart family also did homeschool. Another major red flag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also do not see these referenced "red flags" but if you have something, come on and spill it. I don't care if she: took hallucinogens, went to Burning Man, wore crazy outfits, etc. Sounds normal to me, and I have no friends who had a murder-suicide or family annihilation. MS or FA. So stop being all coy. You don't know anything. I know of no profile that fits this situation. If it ends up being MS or FA, show me a similar case. Or are they one of a kind?

The thing about these types of cases is that it is usually shocking without major "red flags". The "red flags" come out later. So in my opinion, the fact that we can't think of this exact scenario, with the baby and dog, doesn't really mean much. The general public would have said the same thing about the Hart family. When has there been a FA case with a profile of a lesbian family? Probably never. But then after the fact it emerges that they were child abusers, like so many other cases. Even the Chris Watts case did not 'fit the profile' since usually the murderer also commits suicide at the end.

I thought the Hart family looked bad immediately. Adopting a whole bunch of kids is a major red flag. Unfortunately. That they were a lesbian couple was definitely a twist though.

Things often are not as they appear. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. It’s easy to put on a happy face, is it not?

Oh yeah, the Hart family also did homeschool. Another major red flag.

They did indeed. We couldntbdiscus “home schilling” much on another site, the owner home schools her offspring so we had to avoid the topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also do not see these referenced "red flags" but if you have something, come on and spill it. I don't care if she: took hallucinogens, went to Burning Man, wore crazy outfits, etc. Sounds normal to me, and I have no friends who had a murder-suicide or family annihilation. MS or FA. So stop being all coy. You don't know anything. I know of no profile that fits this situation. If it ends up being MS or FA, show me a similar case. Or are they one of a kind?

The thing about these types of cases is that it is usually shocking without major "red flags". The "red flags" come out later. So in my opinion, the fact that we can't think of this exact scenario, with the baby and dog, doesn't really mean much. The general public would have said the same thing about the Hart family. When has there been a FA case with a profile of a lesbian family? Probably never. But then after the fact it emerges that they were child abusers, like so many other cases. Even the Chris Watts case did not 'fit the profile' since usually the murderer also commits suicide at the end.

I thought the Hart family looked bad immediately. Adopting a whole bunch of kids is a major red flag. Unfortunately. That they were a lesbian couple was definitely a twist though.

Things often are not as they appear. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. It’s easy to put on a happy face, is it not?

Oh yeah, the Hart family also did homeschool. Another major red flag.

They did indeed. We couldntbdiscus “home schilling” much on another site, the owner home schools her offspring so we had to avoid the topic.

*couldn’t discuss

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also do not see these referenced "red flags" but if you have something, come on and spill it. I don't care if she: took hallucinogens, went to Burning Man, wore crazy outfits, etc. Sounds normal to me, and I have no friends who had a murder-suicide or family annihilation. MS or FA. So stop being all coy. You don't know anything. I know of no profile that fits this situation. If it ends up being MS or FA, show me a similar case. Or are they one of a kind?

The thing about these types of cases is that it is usually shocking without major "red flags". The "red flags" come out later. So in my opinion, the fact that we can't think of this exact scenario, with the baby and dog, doesn't really mean much. The general public would have said the same thing about the Hart family. When has there been a FA case with a profile of a lesbian family? Probably never. But then after the fact it emerges that they were child abusers, like so many other cases. Even the Chris Watts case did not 'fit the profile' since usually the murderer also commits suicide at the end.

I thought the Hart family looked bad immediately. Adopting a whole bunch of kids is a major red flag. Unfortunately. That they were a lesbian couple was definitely a twist though.

Things often are not as they appear. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. It’s easy to put on a happy face, is it not?

Oh yeah, the Hart family also did homeschool. Another major red flag.

They did indeed. We couldntbdiscus “home schilling” much on another site, the owner home schools her offspring so we had to avoid the topic.

*couldn’t discuss

Ha! That's awfully defensive of her. I mean, it's not like all homeschoolers are abusers. But if you see a family with a bunch of adopted kids AND they homeschool? I'm going to be suspicious.

Homeschooling is a terrific way to hide your crazy.

[Anonymous]

Some of the sophomoric ideas posted around the web make me wonder about our world.

Was it hotter high or low? Why didn’t they drive? Is it a hike if one drives the trail?

Did Ellen bring diapers? How many?

How come we can’t see a picture of the baby carrier, we might help if we could ony see it.

WTH? It’s not like the empty baby carrier was found in a parking lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also do not see these referenced "red flags" but if you have something, come on and spill it. I don't care if she: took hallucinogens, went to Burning Man, wore crazy outfits, etc. Sounds normal to me, and I have no friends who had a murder-suicide or family annihilation. MS or FA. So stop being all coy. You don't know anything. I know of no profile that fits this situation. If it ends up being MS or FA, show me a similar case. Or are they one of a kind?

The thing about these types of cases is that it is usually shocking without major "red flags". The "red flags" come out later. So in my opinion, the fact that we can't think of this exact scenario, with the baby and dog, doesn't really mean much. The general public would have said the same thing about the Hart family. When has there been a FA case with a profile of a lesbian family? Probably never. But then after the fact it emerges that they were child abusers, like so many other cases. Even the Chris Watts case did not 'fit the profile' since usually the murderer also commits suicide at the end.

I thought the Hart family looked bad immediately. Adopting a whole bunch of kids is a major red flag. Unfortunately. That they were a lesbian couple was definitely a twist though.

At times we can predict the ending without reading the entire book.
Posters get so wrapped in material things and appearances, they must pine for like things?
The homes that Jonathan mortgaged in Mariposa are “starter” type homes. He put a lot of money into at least one as the building permit proves.
A$400k house in Mariposa isn’t exactly living large. Put the same house in rural Nebraska or Iowa and the value plummets to about $175k.
Many posters find Ellen drop dead (pun unintended) gorgeous. She was not ugly but she wasn’t overly attractive. Moo imo Jmo amo (all my opinion) wonder how she felt about their upcoming move to Hites Cove road?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the sophomoric ideas posted around the web make me wonder about our world.

Was it hotter high or low? Why didn’t they drive? Is it a hike if one drives the trail?

Did Ellen bring diapers? How many?

How come we can’t see a picture of the baby carrier, we might help if we could ony see it.

WTH? It’s not like the empty baby carrier was found in a parking lot.

They tend to focus on irrelevant matters. Possibly a lot of them are kids? Or they’ve never left their trailer park.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also do not see these referenced "red flags" but if you have something, come on and spill it. I don't care if she: took hallucinogens, went to Burning Man, wore crazy outfits, etc. Sounds normal to me, and I have no friends who had a murder-suicide or family annihilation. MS or FA. So stop being all coy. You don't know anything. I know of no profile that fits this situation. If it ends up being MS or FA, show me a similar case. Or are they one of a kind?

The thing about these types of cases is that it is usually shocking without major "red flags". The "red flags" come out later. So in my opinion, the fact that we can't think of this exact scenario, with the baby and dog, doesn't really mean much. The general public would have said the same thing about the Hart family. When has there been a FA case with a profile of a lesbian family? Probably never. But then after the fact it emerges that they were child abusers, like so many other cases. Even the Chris Watts case did not 'fit the profile' since usually the murderer also commits suicide at the end.

I thought the Hart family looked bad immediately. Adopting a whole bunch of kids is a major red flag. Unfortunately. That they were a lesbian couple was definitely a twist though.

Things often are not as they appear. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. It’s easy to put on a happy face, is it not?

Oh yeah, the Hart family also did homeschool. Another major red flag.

They did indeed. We couldntbdiscus “home schilling” much on another site, the owner home schools her offspring so we had to avoid the topic.

*couldn’t discuss

Ha! That's awfully defensive of her. I mean, it's not like all homeschoolers are abusers. But if you see a family with a bunch of adopted kids AND they homeschool? I'm going to be suspicious.

Homeschooling is a terrific way to hide your crazy.

Even worse the mere mention of home schooling can get a poster banned. WTH?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

I haven't seen hard evidence of this but I posted before she seemed like a free spirit who as a pretty young mom for a city girl who had a very fast courtship with a fun adventurer 15 years older who made her a wife in the middle of nowhere with a small, needy baby. I'd put money on this being an unplanned/wanted (by her) pregnancy and some severe depression living in the middle of nowhere. DCUM can skew conservative in some ways where she should be lucky to have a high earner husband and isn't that young but....idk. I don't buy it.

She did post something odd on IG on one of the prenatal yoga posts, something to the effect of "Not all moms love their babies" or similar. "Anyone else recall that? The baby looked very small and thin when born, wonder if there were issues with the pregnancy or if she was an avowed vegan during it?

Being so isolated, 20 miles from a town of 1,800 would be a lot for anyone, but it was a total 180 for her. Had to be hard. And I did get the sense that a lot of his attention was on the baby and she may have missed it, all the "My Jonny" posts and all, she seemed needy. His first wife is said to be from Mariposa, wonder if that was an issue for her too? So many huge life adjustments in such a short time while isolated from former support networks.

I never could suss out what illness would prevent corporate work but allow pregnancy, adventure travel and strenuous hikes and trips to the desert?

Regardless, I don't think we are going to get some smoking gun finding. The bodies being outside for days and the heat may have impacted toxicology and autopsy findings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also do not see these referenced "red flags" but if you have something, come on and spill it. I don't care if she: took hallucinogens, went to Burning Man, wore crazy outfits, etc. Sounds normal to me, and I have no friends who had a murder-suicide or family annihilation. MS or FA. So stop being all coy. You don't know anything. I know of no profile that fits this situation. If it ends up being MS or FA, show me a similar case. Or are they one of a kind?

The thing about these types of cases is that it is usually shocking without major "red flags". The "red flags" come out later. So in my opinion, the fact that we can't think of this exact scenario, with the baby and dog, doesn't really mean much. The general public would have said the same thing about the Hart family. When has there been a FA case with a profile of a lesbian family? Probably never. But then after the fact it emerges that they were child abusers, like so many other cases. Even the Chris Watts case did not 'fit the profile' since usually the murderer also commits suicide at the end.

Good point. Most of us are taught at an early age that we keep personal matters private. Not too many of us attend social functions and discuss financial, emotional and/or serious problems. More true in the affluent. Poor, needy people seem more inclined to discuss their problems.
We’ve all known the happily married couple” that shockingly ends up in divorce court. What does everyone say? “We had no idea….”. Same thing in FA, MS and suicide cases.