What happened to this California family?

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Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

I haven't seen hard evidence of this but I posted before she seemed like a free spirit who as a pretty young mom for a city girl who had a very fast courtship with a fun adventurer 15 years older who made her a wife in the middle of nowhere with a small, needy baby. I'd put money on this being an unplanned/wanted (by her) pregnancy and some severe depression living in the middle of nowhere. DCUM can skew conservative in some ways where she should be lucky to have a high earner husband and isn't that young but....idk. I don't buy it.

She did post something odd on IG on one of the prenatal yoga posts, something to the effect of "Not all moms love their babies" or similar. "Anyone else recall that? The baby looked very small and thin when born, wonder if there were issues with the pregnancy or if she was an avowed vegan during it?

Being so isolated, 20 miles from a town of 1,800 would be a lot for anyone, but it was a total 180 for her. Had to be hard. And I did get the sense that a lot of his attention was on the baby and she may have missed it, all the "My Jonny" posts and all, she seemed needy. His first wife is said to be from Mariposa, wonder if that was an issue for her too? So many huge life adjustments in such a short time while isolated from former support networks.

I never could suss out what illness would prevent corporate work but allow pregnancy, adventure travel and strenuous hikes and trips to the desert?

Regardless, I don't think we are going to get some smoking gun finding. The bodies being outside for days and the heat may have impacted toxicology and autopsy findings.

No reasonable person can.
She also griped about her pregnant body but wasn’t yet showing. Hint hint.
The baby looked like a premie in the photo of J holding her.
You do know J actually left Google before securing a new job? He felt it best to be home 100% and tend to the baby. People here can laugh and throw snarky comments my way. Truth will prevail.
Does Ellen’s ex also reside in Mariposa?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

I haven't seen hard evidence of this but I posted before she seemed like a free spirit who as a pretty young mom for a city girl who had a very fast courtship with a fun adventurer 15 years older who made her a wife in the middle of nowhere with a small, needy baby. I'd put money on this being an unplanned/wanted (by her) pregnancy and some severe depression living in the middle of nowhere. DCUM can skew conservative in some ways where she should be lucky to have a high earner husband and isn't that young but....idk. I don't buy it.

She did post something odd on IG on one of the prenatal yoga posts, something to the effect of "Not all moms love their babies" or similar. "Anyone else recall that? The baby looked very small and thin when born, wonder if there were issues with the pregnancy or if she was an avowed vegan during it?

Being so isolated, 20 miles from a town of 1,800 would be a lot for anyone, but it was a total 180 for her. Had to be hard. And I did get the sense that a lot of his attention was on the baby and she may have missed it, all the "My Jonny" posts and all, she seemed needy. His first wife is said to be from Mariposa, wonder if that was an issue for her too? So many huge life adjustments in such a short time while isolated from former support networks.

I never could suss out what illness would prevent corporate work but allow pregnancy, adventure travel and strenuous hikes and trips to the desert?

Regardless, I don't think we are going to get some smoking gun finding. The bodies being outside for days and the heat may have impacted toxicology and autopsy findings.

No reasonable person can.
She also griped about her pregnant body but wasn’t yet showing. Hint hint.
The baby looked like a premie in the photo of J holding her.
You do know J actually left Google before securing a new job? He felt it best to be home 100% and tend to the baby. People here can laugh and throw snarky comments my way. Truth will prevail.
Does Ellen’s ex also reside in Mariposa?

Completely implausible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

I haven't seen hard evidence of this but I posted before she seemed like a free spirit who as a pretty young mom for a city girl who had a very fast courtship with a fun adventurer 15 years older who made her a wife in the middle of nowhere with a small, needy baby. I'd put money on this being an unplanned/wanted (by her) pregnancy and some severe depression living in the middle of nowhere. DCUM can skew conservative in some ways where she should be lucky to have a high earner husband and isn't that young but....idk. I don't buy it.

She did post something odd on IG on one of the prenatal yoga posts, something to the effect of "Not all moms love their babies" or similar. "Anyone else recall that? The baby looked very small and thin when born, wonder if there were issues with the pregnancy or if she was an avowed vegan during it?

Being so isolated, 20 miles from a town of 1,800 would be a lot for anyone, but it was a total 180 for her. Had to be hard. And I did get the sense that a lot of his attention was on the baby and she may have missed it, all the "My Jonny" posts and all, she seemed needy. His first wife is said to be from Mariposa, wonder if that was an issue for her too? So many huge life adjustments in such a short time while isolated from former support networks.

I never could suss out what illness would prevent corporate work but allow pregnancy, adventure travel and strenuous hikes and trips to the desert?

Regardless, I don't think we are going to get some smoking gun finding. The bodies being outside for days and the heat may have impacted toxicology and autopsy findings.

No reasonable person can.
She also griped about her pregnant body but wasn’t yet showing. Hint hint.
The baby looked like a premie in the photo of J holding her.
You do know J actually left Google before securing a new job? He felt it best to be home 100% and tend to the baby. People here can laugh and throw snarky comments my way. Truth will prevail.
Does Ellen’s ex also reside in Mariposa?

Completely implausible.

He was working from home prior to the birth of the baby.

The couple made the move after Gerrish, a Silicon Valley software engineer, began working from home, Jeffe told the outlet. They wished to raise Miju away from a major city and hoped to trade in the bustle of the San Francisco Bay Area for the calm of nature, the friend explained.

https://people.com/human-interest/family-and-dog-who-died-in-hazmat-situation-moved-to-enjoy-nature/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

I haven't seen hard evidence of this but I posted before she seemed like a free spirit who as a pretty young mom for a city girl who had a very fast courtship with a fun adventurer 15 years older who made her a wife in the middle of nowhere with a small, needy baby. I'd put money on this being an unplanned/wanted (by her) pregnancy and some severe depression living in the middle of nowhere. DCUM can skew conservative in some ways where she should be lucky to have a high earner husband and isn't that young but....idk. I don't buy it.

She did post something odd on IG on one of the prenatal yoga posts, something to the effect of "Not all moms love their babies" or similar. "Anyone else recall that? The baby looked very small and thin when born, wonder if there were issues with the pregnancy or if she was an avowed vegan during it?

Being so isolated, 20 miles from a town of 1,800 would be a lot for anyone, but it was a total 180 for her. Had to be hard. And I did get the sense that a lot of his attention was on the baby and she may have missed it, all the "My Jonny" posts and all, she seemed needy. His first wife is said to be from Mariposa, wonder if that was an issue for her too? So many huge life adjustments in such a short time while isolated from former support networks.

I never could suss out what illness would prevent corporate work but allow pregnancy, adventure travel and strenuous hikes and trips to the desert?

Regardless, I don't think we are going to get some smoking gun finding. The bodies being outside for days and the heat may have impacted toxicology and autopsy findings.

No reasonable person can.
She also griped about her pregnant body but wasn’t yet showing. Hint hint.
The baby looked like a premie in the photo of J holding her.
You do know J actually left Google before securing a new job? He felt it best to be home 100% and tend to the baby. People here can laugh and throw snarky comments my way. Truth will prevail.
Does Ellen’s ex also reside in Mariposa?

Completely implausible.

He was working from home prior to the birth of the baby.

The couple made the move after Gerrish, a Silicon Valley software engineer, began working from home, Jeffe told the outlet. They wished to raise Miju away from a major city and hoped to trade in the bustle of the San Francisco Bay Area for the calm of nature, the friend explained.

https://people.com/human-interest/family-and-dog-who-died-in-hazmat-situation-moved-to-enjoy-nature/

He was on paternity leave. He left Google before securing his SC position. Which, is not a problem, he knew he’d find employment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

I haven't seen hard evidence of this but I posted before she seemed like a free spirit who as a pretty young mom for a city girl who had a very fast courtship with a fun adventurer 15 years older who made her a wife in the middle of nowhere with a small, needy baby. I'd put money on this being an unplanned/wanted (by her) pregnancy and some severe depression living in the middle of nowhere. DCUM can skew conservative in some ways where she should be lucky to have a high earner husband and isn't that young but....idk. I don't buy it.

She did post something odd on IG on one of the prenatal yoga posts, something to the effect of "Not all moms love their babies" or similar. "Anyone else recall that? The baby looked very small and thin when born, wonder if there were issues with the pregnancy or if she was an avowed vegan during it?

Being so isolated, 20 miles from a town of 1,800 would be a lot for anyone, but it was a total 180 for her. Had to be hard. And I did get the sense that a lot of his attention was on the baby and she may have missed it, all the "My Jonny" posts and all, she seemed needy. His first wife is said to be from Mariposa, wonder if that was an issue for her too? So many huge life adjustments in such a short time while isolated from former support networks.

I never could suss out what illness would prevent corporate work but allow pregnancy, adventure travel and strenuous hikes and trips to the desert?

Regardless, I don't think we are going to get some smoking gun finding. The bodies being outside for days and the heat may have impacted toxicology and autopsy findings.

No reasonable person can.
She also griped about her pregnant body but wasn’t yet showing. Hint hint.
The baby looked like a premie in the photo of J holding her.
You do know J actually left Google before securing a new job? He felt it best to be home 100% and tend to the baby. People here can laugh and throw snarky comments my way. Truth will prevail.
Does Ellen’s ex also reside in Mariposa?

Completely implausible.

He was working from home prior to the birth of the baby.

The couple made the move after Gerrish, a Silicon Valley software engineer, began working from home, Jeffe told the outlet. They wished to raise Miju away from a major city and hoped to trade in the bustle of the San Francisco Bay Area for the calm of nature, the friend explained.

https://people.com/human-interest/family-and-dog-who-died-in-hazmat-situation-moved-to-enjoy-nature/

He was on paternity leave. He left Google before securing his SC position. Which, is not a problem, he knew he’d find employment.

PP is correct: Gerrish for years had been an engineer for Google, Jeffe said, and had only recently begun working at Snapchat after his paternity leave had ended.


John seemed really pumped for a baby. I remember Jeffe saying a John spent an entire day playing in the swimming pool with the tot and was excited to teach her to swim.
On another note, I guess John was not vegan?

[Anonymous]

Someone asked about friends and family. Only Ellen’s sister has commented (as In Sorority) and a few of John’s tech friends commented online.

[Anonymous]

Is it possible one of the two found life unbearable and didn’t want to “leave” remaining family to live without him/herself?
This would make more sense than all of them dying from heat related injuries. Or even an agreement to check out of this world bringing baby and dog with them?
I can’t find reports that Ellen was isolated. Restaurant staff spoke kindly about the family as did an art store or museum owner. The bakery owner said Ellen would stop in for diet donuts and have the baby with her.
Since they employed a nanny Ellen could come and go as she chose without hassle.

[Anonymous]

She was isolated because they lived in a forest, 20 miles from the nearest town, the one with the whopping population of 1,800.

Her friends were in the city and I do not think many if any would have had babies at 30. She was going to school remotely. Jon had prior ties to Mariopsa but she did not. The median age in the small town is in the 50s, Jon was not far off but Ellen was only 30. How many new moms were there for her to befriend?

Coming and going is relative when you are in the middle of nowhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Come on. This was the perfect all American family. Good looking couple, multiple homes, dad was brilliant, mom was the absolute best. She tried to save her family, running towards the car in the blazing sun, she probably even carried the dog part way (😂).

Disregard their heavy debt load, the fact mom did not want kids and hated Mariposa.

Did they take HC trail or HC road, could they read maps? How many ounces did their bladder hold? Was the carrier paisley, solid or floral print? Did they swim? Did they drink river water? These are the important things. And I bet LE needs our help. Wonder if they thought to check shoes? Think they inventoried the backpack? Should we email LE? The sheriff knows it was hot I assume? Why didn’t LE put out a public picture of the baby carrier asking if anyone had seen it (dumb post of year award).
Can’t wait for my “tried to tell ya, moment.”

I haven't seen hard evidence of this but I posted before she seemed like a free spirit who as a pretty young mom for a city girl who had a very fast courtship with a fun adventurer 15 years older who made her a wife in the middle of nowhere with a small, needy baby. I'd put money on this being an unplanned/wanted (by her) pregnancy and some severe depression living in the middle of nowhere. DCUM can skew conservative in some ways where she should be lucky to have a high earner husband and isn't that young but....idk. I don't buy it.

What makes you think her pregnancy was unplanned/unwanted? Did you know her?

[Anonymous]

Comments were made about Jon and the baby being at a museum at Yosemite on Friday, it's not clear that Ellen was with them. Many commented on Jon's engagement with the baby, I wonder if that made Ellen feel a bit lonely?

I don't think there will be a finding of FA or M/S without significant evidence. The time the bodies were on the trail may impact anything that could have been found re: autopsy findings and tox screens. Or it could have been an accident, a series of events or getting in over their heads.

We may never know what truly happened.

Re: how thin the baby appeared, babies are more likely to be underweight with a vegan pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the sophomoric ideas posted around the web make me wonder about our world.

Was it hotter high or low? Why didn’t they drive? Is it a hike if one drives the trail?

Did Ellen bring diapers? How many?

How come we can’t see a picture of the baby carrier, we might help if we could ony see it.

WTH? It’s not like the empty baby carrier was found in a parking lot.

There are logical reasons for asking those questions. Example: the number of diapers might determine how long they intended to hike, or if they had dirty diapers that would show how long they had been out.
There were reports that the baby carrier was next to the dad, and some people didn't know if that meant the baby was just lying on the ground in a cloth-style carrier or sitting up in a framed backpack. It might also indicate if they were going on a longer vs. shorter hike.
IMO these questions are more logical than looking at Ellen's reported social history and jumping to conclusions about her state of mind.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps discussion of WS directly and indirectly could be curtailed? Those that hate it can just avoid reading there and those who are interested can head over. The endless references to it for those of us with no interest are getting a bit old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She was isolated because they lived in a forest, 20 miles from the nearest town, the one with the whopping population of 1,800.

Her friends were in the city and I do not think many if any would have had babies at 30. She was going to school remotely. Jon had prior ties to Mariopsa but she did not. The median age in the small town is in the 50s, Jon was not far off but Ellen was only 30. How many new moms were there for her to befriend?

Coming and going is relative when you are in the middle of nowhere.

I was looking for a way to message you, I guess that’s not possible.

Do you know if anyone had contact with this family on Saturday?
Scanning back through posts I noted one inquiring if the kid was perhaps DOA to the forest. Could the child have died from an in home accident and J & E freaked?

20 miles is far from town, I think. Where they lived would be pitch black at night, I’d be terrified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Comments were made about Jon and the baby being at a museum at Yosemite on Friday, it's not clear that Ellen was with them. Many commented on Jon's engagement with the baby, I wonder if that made Ellen feel a bit lonely?

I don't think there will be a finding of FA or M/S without significant evidence. The time the bodies were on the trail may impact anything that could have been found re: autopsy findings and tox screens. Or it could have been an accident, a series of events or getting in over their heads.

We may never know what truly happened.

Re: how thin the baby appeared, babies are more likely to be underweight with a vegan pregnancy.

Drugs would prove MS if the baby and dog test pos’ for a drug. Heat evidently didn’t kill the dig as his samples had to go to tox’ lab.

The baby sure looked like a big healthy girl in her last pictures. At least I was surprised how big she was for one y.o.

[Anonymous]

Jon has an ex-wife in Mariposa??? Wonder if there were sour grapes…