stop whining about voter ID requirements
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Anonymous
That may be true for you. Actually it’s arguable that for older people, people in rural areas or small towns, people who have lived in the same area for long periods of time, people whose families have lived in the same area for long periods of time.... it would be even more likely for someone new or unknown to have difficulty functioning — because it would be quite clear that they were not a local resident. I’m not arguing that no one ever needs an ID to do those things. I’m arguing that there are people that don’t do many of the things on that list and don’t need a government ID for the ones that they actually do need to do. And further, that this is just a distraction from the issues surrounding the current push for certain kinds of Voter ID requirements. Someone in an earlier post has already described some excellent examples of how this might work in small towns and areas where the population is not very transient. |
Anonymous
| I dont need an ID to cash a check, buy alcohol, buy tobacco, apply for a job, apply for college, get into a bar, get into a rec centerhome, open a checking account, get medical treatkent, get into a school, buy a car, rent/buy a home |
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Anonymous
Just because your limited intellect can't think of another reason, do not mean "no other plausable reason". How about this, we waive the identification registration fees for people who are older than 65 and people who make below twice the poverty level. That way people do not have to skip meals or skip paying rent or utilities in order to register for an identification that would only give them one additional benefit, the ability to execute their Constitutional right to vote. |
Anonymous
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Here are just a few articles about people who cannot get a REAL ID. We should just tell them they don't get to vote?
https://www.wbir.com/mobile/article/news/world-war-ii-veteran-without-a-birth-certificate-cant-renew-license-under-new-real-id-requirements/285-12dfbcf0-d7a8-46fa-8689-076378d128f7 https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article233946487.html https://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/real-id-hurdles-1.42605271 https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2019/09/13/95-year-old-driver-gets-license-without-birth-certificate-but-other-texans-still-in-the-dark/ |
Anonymous
State ID for losers is fine. |
Anonymous
Crickets... It is almost as if when it isn't the "omg bad Republicans!!!" that want to secure our elections the small minority of opponents have no argument anymore. 80% Think what that says about DCUM that all those here inventing scenarios about people who really want to vote but really can't prove who they are are drawn from only 20% of the population. |
Anonymous
Just because your limited intellect can't think of another reason, do not mean "no other plausable reason". How about this, we waive the identification registration fees for people who are older than 65 and people who make below twice the poverty level. That way people do not have to skip meals or skip paying rent or utilities in order to register for an identification that would only give them one additional benefit, the ability to execute their Constitutional right to vote. GA IDs a free. You know that, right? |
Anonymous
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Many states have free state-issued ID.
The Government Accountability Office studied the effect that voter-ID laws have on turnout in the 17 states that require voters to show government-issued ID at the polls. Driver's licenses and state-issued IDs are the two most common forms of identification, and they don't run cheap. An inexpensive driver's license will set you back just under $15, but some states' cost almost $60. Sixteen of the 17 states in the study offer a free alternative to driver's licenses or state IDs for residents. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/heres-how-much-it-costs-to-vote-in-states-with-voter-id-laws/458109/ |
Anonymous
| Having a state or federal issued ID is reasonable in order to vote. The ID number, issuance authority, individual’s name, and issuance date can be entered on a mail in ballot or captured at time of in person voting. These items can then be cross-referenced at time of vote counting by participating parties and an independent body. This will prevent duplicative voting. It will not prevent dead people voting, but nothing is perfect. As far as the cost to get an ID ... this is minimal even for the very poor. If there needs to be a free ID program for the indigent, then that can be set up. Additionally, independent voting location/machine fraud audits should be conducted in a timely manner using statistical anomalies to drive hand counting. No pure electronic voting. Always a scantron so manual verification can be conducted if/when needed. |
Anonymous
Yes, but getting the required documents together can be a real burden for some. What don’t you understand? It was a ROYAL pain to switch to real ID for example. Proof of name change, residency, social security card, etc. Whether you like it or not, it’s not easy for some people but they are entitled to vote anyway. |
Anonymous
Not to mention the real monetary costs not directly imposed by the government. If the DMV is only open 9-5 weekdays, that means someone with a 9-5 weekday schedule has to take time off work and lose money. If they don't drive that means they have to pay someone (bus, train, taxi, Uber) to get to the DMV and lose money. And what people who support voter ID laws always conveniently fail to mention is that these voter ID laws are often enacted concurrently with laws that make it even harder for poor people and POC to get IDs. Limiting DMV hours, cutting public transportation, closing DMV locations in poor and minority neighborhoods, and so on. I don't care about any argument they make about other things you need ID for. I don't care about any statistics they quote about voter fraud. When looking at the big picture it is abundantly clear that the primary purpose for these laws is suppressing the ability of poor and POC to vote and therefore attempting to rig elections in favor of the GOP. Based on that alone those laws cannot be allowed. |
Anonymous
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IDs are fine so long as they are:
-cheap or free for those who cannot pay (it costs money to get the ID, the birth certs, etc.) -easy to get -time is given to allow them to get the stupid things (or work with people who don't understand the process) Also, IF and only if, voting is otherwise made easy and available: national holiday, time off, sufficient voting places, etc. Of course none of the above is the case, which is the problem and the GQP know it. That combined with their bullshit lying about election integrity is the problem. In Georgia, both the SoS and Governor said there were no integrity issues. But, now they are imposing Jim Crow style laws to combat that nonexistent problem. We know what is really behind this: they lost. They want to make they will win next time. If you're not cheating, you're not winning! |
Anonymous
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21 pages and not even ONE compelling reason to change voting requirements to add more identification verification (you already verify your identity at least once in order to vote in every state).
I think that’s all you need to know about the agenda behind voter ID. |
Anonymous
Your education failed you if you don’t realize that 20% of a really big number is also a really big number. |