stop whining about voter ID requirements

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:21 pages and not even ONE compelling reason to change voting requirements to add more identification verification (you already verify your identity at least once in order to vote in every state).

I think that’s all you need to know about the agenda behind voter ID.

This!

Now someone is actually on a DC Covid shot thread— rambling on about the need for voter ID requirements. ‘Cause something something.

That’s an interesting dilemma for most libs though. They want a vaccine passport, and many support showing ID to get vaccinated. But at the same time they say that showing an ID to vote is racist because black people can’t get IDs (for some reason?) and it disenfranchises them.

So it’s ok to keep black people from getting vaccinated because they lack- which might save their life, BUT they don’t want them to have ID to vote.



This seems really bizarre to me. Can someone explain this dichotomy?

Not PP -- I'm not sure they're lucid.

Only a complete dumbass would make the connection you are making here but carry on!

Again, any reasons for voter ID?

Anyone, anyone?

Bueller? Bueller?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:immigrant (legal) here

There are many undemocratic aspects about the US electoral system compared to the rest of the world, such as the electoral college, voting on a workday (Tuesday), winner take all districts, gerrymandering, unequal distribution of polling places, etc. If this system were in place in any other country, the US government would be denouncing it as undemocratic. Having to register to vote (instead of being automatically registered) and requiring official IDs are also measures that limit voting.

Now, what if instead of whining about the voter ID laws promoted by the GOP, the Biden administration issued federal voting IDs for everybody that needs one? It could even come with a $100 gift card to motivate people to get registered and their ID.

It can't be that hard. In the rest of the world everyone has an ID and people tend to vote in larger percentages than in the US.

Look at Bolivia. Yes, Bolivia! It is the second poorest country in the western hemisphere, with nearly 70 percent of its population living in poverty. About 23 percent of the population lives on less than $1 a day and 42 percent on less than $2 a day. In their last election in 2019, they had 88.31 % voter participation.

In contrast, 62 % of adults voted in the last US election.




I wish I could find the study now, so I could provide a link. I read it more than 5 years ago. The study recorded interactions between voters and election officials in a state with a voter ID law. The election officials were, in most instances, only asking to see the ID if the voter was a person of color, with almost 90% of the Hispanic voters essentially being profiled. If that, and the issue of some of the elderly not having ID’s, could be solved, I’d be an easier convert to voter ID laws.

[Anonymous]

I wish I could find the study now, so I could provide a link. I read it more than 5 years ago. The study recorded interactions between voters and election officials in a state with a voter ID law. The election officials were, in most instances, only asking to see the ID if the voter was a person of color, with almost 90% of the Hispanic voters essentially being profiled. If that, and the issue of some of the elderly not having ID’s, could be solved, I’d be an easier convert to voter ID laws.

Plus, we need to make sure college students and indigenous people can vote. And then there’s the premise for voter ID laws, basically non-existent voter fraud. Ok - maybe I’m not such an easy convert.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish I could find the study now, so I could provide a link. I read it more than 5 years ago. The study recorded interactions between voters and election officials in a state with a voter ID law. The election officials were, in most instances, only asking to see the ID if the voter was a person of color, with almost 90% of the Hispanic voters essentially being profiled. If that, and the issue of some of the elderly not having ID’s, could be solved, I’d be an easier convert to voter ID laws.

Plus, we need to make sure college students and indigenous people can vote. And then there’s the premise for voter ID laws, basically non-existent voter fraud. Ok - maybe I’m not such an easy convert.

Here's a funny thing though: Students already have ID: many from State schools. Many Indigenous citizens have tribal IDs. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that many Republican led voter ID teams just don't think that these forms are satisfactory. There's always room for yet another impediment to voting for some of us. It's amazing how blithly some people will violate the constitutional rights of others. Or maybe I should say: "others".



https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/voting-rights/how-the-native-american-vote-continues-to-be-suppressed/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t the new bill say that the state would provide a voter ID card to those that don’t have photo ID?

And if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate then it seems like they wouldn’t be able to get a bank account either. We should fix those issues, not have insecure elections because of it.

We don't have insecure elections. It is a myth. The only insecurity in the 2020 election were a couple of GOP voters in PA, another GOP from Florida who voted in GA and some wacko lady in Nevada.

There is literally no widespread voter fraud and thus no problem to fix. The only reason these bills are happening is so the GOP can suppress votes and try to remain in power.

What a lie. Why are you so vehemently against American citizens being required to have ID in order to vote? Why does this threaten you so?
DP

Then, why are you against full background checks on ALL gun purchases, permit requirements for ALL gun purchases. Get real. The entire purpose of the GA GOP is to discourage Democratic voters from voting. In the sports world, it is called cheating! Change the rules.

These things ARE ALL required to purchase a gun.

[Anonymous]

Nope. I don’t want a National ID card. Sounds like China.

All it takes is one wacko President / dictator to make us have to use it for travel or “turn off” our ability to vote. No, thanks. China punishes people this way by not letting them travel when they disagree with the government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish I could find the study now, so I could provide a link. I read it more than 5 years ago. The study recorded interactions between voters and election officials in a state with a voter ID law. The election officials were, in most instances, only asking to see the ID if the voter was a person of color, with almost 90% of the Hispanic voters essentially being profiled. If that, and the issue of some of the elderly not having ID’s, could be solved, I’d be an easier convert to voter ID laws.

Plus, we need to make sure college students and indigenous people can vote. And then there’s the premise for voter ID laws, basically non-existent voter fraud. Ok - maybe I’m not such an easy convert.

Here's a funny thing though: Students already have ID: many from State schools. Many Indigenous citizens have tribal IDs. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that many Republican led voter ID teams just don't think that these forms are satisfactory. There's always room for yet another impediment to voting for some of us. It's amazing how blithly some people will violate the constitutional rights of others. Or maybe I should say: "others".



https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/voting-rights/how-the-native-american-vote-continues-to-be-suppressed/

Voter Suppression and College Students
https://www.findlaw.com/voting/how-do-i-protect-my-right-to-vote-/voter-suppression-and-college-students.html

Address/ID requirements tripped up students in some states as states required students to have only one legal address or to have a driver's license with the state of the school.

Polling place access has also become a problem as some states close polling stations in low-income areas and in or near colleges, forcing students (who often do not have cars) to travel longer distances and wait in long lines to vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

+1000!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

+1000!

This list is such BS.

I am 60. So I don’t need ID to buy tobacco or alcohol. I have not needed ID to get into government buildings or schools, bars, community centers or pools. You are just making crap up. Most people in small towns are known to their tellers so they don't need ID to cash checks either.


IDs can be very hard to get if you are at all marginalized, like poor and/old.

[Anonymous]

It's funny, my relatives who are conservative are the ones who almost never need ids, because they live in smaller.placea where everyone knows them. Two are driving with expired licenses right now, because they have no idea how to get the paperwork to get a real id. I know, because they called me to help them.

[Anonymous]

When NC legislators created their voter ID bill, they specifically looked at each type of id to see how many black people had them.

I think that says it all...