stop whining about voter ID requirements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having a state or federal issued ID is reasonable in order to vote. The ID number, issuance authority, individual’s name, and issuance date can be entered on a mail in ballot or captured at time of in person voting. These items can then be cross-referenced at time of vote counting by participating parties and an independent body. This will prevent duplicative voting. It will not prevent dead people voting, but nothing is perfect. As far as the cost to get an ID ... this is minimal even for the very poor. If there needs to be a free ID program for the indigent, then that can be set up. Additionally, independent voting location/machine fraud audits should be conducted in a timely manner using statistical anomalies to drive hand counting. No pure electronic voting. Always a scantron so manual verification can be conducted if/when needed.

This should be done in conjunction with voter ID requirements. Until then expect low Democratic support of voter ID laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many states have free state-issued ID.


The Government Accountability Office studied the effect that voter-ID laws have on turnout in the 17 states that require voters to show government-issued ID at the polls. Driver's licenses and state-issued IDs are the two most common forms of identification, and they don't run cheap. An inexpensive driver's license will set you back just under $15, but some states' cost almost $60.

Sixteen of the 17 states in the study offer a free alternative to driver's licenses or state IDs for residents.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/heres-how-much-it-costs-to-vote-in-states-with-voter-id-laws/458109/

Many states.

But not the ones imposing the voter restrictions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having a state or federal issued ID is reasonable in order to vote. The ID number, issuance authority, individual’s name, and issuance date can be entered on a mail in ballot or captured at time of in person voting. These items can then be cross-referenced at time of vote counting by participating parties and an independent body. This will prevent duplicative voting. It will not prevent dead people voting, but nothing is perfect. As far as the cost to get an ID ... this is minimal even for the very poor. If there needs to be a free ID program for the indigent, then that can be set up. Additionally, independent voting location/machine fraud audits should be conducted in a timely manner using statistical anomalies to drive hand counting. No pure electronic voting. Always a scantron so manual verification can be conducted if/when needed.

The Dominion system, ironically, is very safe. It is merely scanning and counting.

It is the ES&S systems that are hackable and manipulable, and yet, we don't hear a word out of the GOP about those. They use them in SC (Hi Lindsay) and Kentucky (Hi Mitch) where there are plenty of voting irregularities that we don't hear about.

There should always be paper back-ups for audits. Dominion provides those, ES&S doesn't.

And the way mail-in voting works, it is consistent with what you have described. We don't hear about fraud votes or issues in Utah, Washington, Oregon or Hawaii, where mail-in voting has been the norm for years. We should use their protocols more universally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:21 pages and not even ONE compelling reason to change voting requirements to add more identification verification (you already verify your identity at least once in order to vote in every state).

I think that’s all you need to know about the agenda behind voter ID.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:21 pages and not even ONE compelling reason to change voting requirements to add more identification verification (you already verify your identity at least once in order to vote in every state).

I think that’s all you need to know about the agenda behind voter ID.

This!

Now someone is actually on a DC Covid shot thread— rambling on about the need for voter ID requirements. ‘Cause something something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can be honest with myself and admit that how I feel about voting rights is how some feel about gun rights: it’s a constitutionally protected right. And just as you have people whining how restricting semi-automatic guns and imposing limits on guns punishes the law-abiding citizen, I would argue that requiring a drivers license punishes those who choose not to drive (which happens to be those who are poor, elderly, or live in areas where a car is not required to get by, like cities). We need to work harder to enfranchise every citizen instead of limiting access because it suits a political agenda.

We already have a National, unique identifier: social security number. We use it for taxes, we can find a way to use it for voting.
In the meantime, stop suppressing law-abiding citizen right to vote because some are butthurt they lost an election.

I love this idea let's do other major countries do. We can start by giving everyone in the US healthcare.
Oh, honey. This has both to do with “losing an election,” though it’s understandable that you enjoy repeating that with relish. No one cares. This has everything to do with requiring an ID to vote - something that every other major country requires. It doesn’t have to be a driver’s license. The DMV also issues ID cards. But sure, continue making excuses that are increasingly absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having a state or federal issued ID is reasonable in order to vote. The ID number, issuance authority, individual’s name, and issuance date can be entered on a mail in ballot or captured at time of in person voting. These items can then be cross-referenced at time of vote counting by participating parties and an independent body. This will prevent duplicative voting. It will not prevent dead people voting, but nothing is perfect. As far as the cost to get an ID ... this is minimal even for the very poor. If there needs to be a free ID program for the indigent, then that can be set up. Additionally, independent voting location/machine fraud audits should be conducted in a timely manner using statistical anomalies to drive hand counting. No pure electronic voting. Always a scantron so manual verification can be conducted if/when needed.

This should be done in conjunction with voter ID requirements. Until then expect low Democratic support of voter ID laws.

And when it’s offered, what will democrats use an excuse after that?

Because we both know they will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:21 pages and not even ONE compelling reason to change voting requirements to add more identification verification (you already verify your identity at least once in order to vote in every state).

I think that’s all you need to know about the agenda behind voter ID.

This!

Now someone is actually on a DC Covid shot thread— rambling on about the need for voter ID requirements. ‘Cause something something.

That’s an interesting dilemma for most libs though. They want a vaccine passport, and many support showing ID to get vaccinated. But at the same time they say that showing an ID to vote is racist because black people can’t get IDs (for some reason?) and it disenfranchises them.

So it’s ok to keep black people from getting vaccinated because they lack- which might save their life, BUT they don’t want them to have ID to vote.



This seems really bizarre to me. Can someone explain this dichotomy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:21 pages and not even ONE compelling reason to change voting requirements to add more identification verification (you already verify your identity at least once in order to vote in every state).

I think that’s all you need to know about the agenda behind voter ID.

This!

Now someone is actually on a DC Covid shot thread— rambling on about the need for voter ID requirements. ‘Cause something something.

That’s an interesting dilemma for most libs though. They want a vaccine passport, and many support showing ID to get vaccinated. But at the same time they say that showing an ID to vote is racist because black people can’t get IDs (for some reason?) and it disenfranchises them.

So it’s ok to keep black people from getting vaccinated because they lack- which might save their life, BUT they don’t want them to have ID to vote.



This seems really bizarre to me. Can someone explain this dichotomy?

Not PP -- I'm not sure they're lucid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having a state or federal issued ID is reasonable in order to vote. The ID number, issuance authority, individual’s name, and issuance date can be entered on a mail in ballot or captured at time of in person voting. These items can then be cross-referenced at time of vote counting by participating parties and an independent body. This will prevent duplicative voting. It will not prevent dead people voting, but nothing is perfect. As far as the cost to get an ID ... this is minimal even for the very poor. If there needs to be a free ID program for the indigent, then that can be set up. Additionally, independent voting location/machine fraud audits should be conducted in a timely manner using statistical anomalies to drive hand counting. No pure electronic voting. Always a scantron so manual verification can be conducted if/when needed.

This should be done in conjunction with voter ID requirements. Until then expect low Democratic support of voter ID laws.

And when it’s offered, what will democrats use an excuse after that?

Because we both know they will.

Not sure they need an excuse. They have more voters, so they would just need to get their constituents out to vote. What would GOP use as an excuse? This is why I find the Dems dumb. If they were smart they'd turn the issue on its head and be gung ho for voter id's and start up a free ID program. Then GOP would have no more excuses. Alas, Dems argue the dumb side of this issue, while the dirty GOP out foxes them. I really hate both parties, they are either insidious or incompetent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:21 pages and not even ONE compelling reason to change voting requirements to add more identification verification (you already verify your identity at least once in order to vote in every state).

I think that’s all you need to know about the agenda behind voter ID.

This!

Now someone is actually on a DC Covid shot thread— rambling on about the need for voter ID requirements. ‘Cause something something.

That’s an interesting dilemma for most libs though. They want a vaccine passport, and many support showing ID to get vaccinated. But at the same time they say that showing an ID to vote is racist because black people can’t get IDs (for some reason?) and it disenfranchises them.

So it’s ok to keep black people from getting vaccinated because they lack- which might save their life, BUT they don’t want them to have ID to vote.



This seems really bizarre to me. Can someone explain this dichotomy?

There are plenty of people who are legally in the voter rolls who would have trouble accessing a legal ID to have to show when they vote.

Figure out how to get them a legal ID and then it is fine to require it to obtain a ballot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having a state or federal issued ID is reasonable in order to vote. The ID number, issuance authority, individual’s name, and issuance date can be entered on a mail in ballot or captured at time of in person voting. These items can then be cross-referenced at time of vote counting by participating parties and an independent body. This will prevent duplicative voting. It will not prevent dead people voting, but nothing is perfect. As far as the cost to get an ID ... this is minimal even for the very poor. If there needs to be a free ID program for the indigent, then that can be set up. Additionally, independent voting location/machine fraud audits should be conducted in a timely manner using statistical anomalies to drive hand counting. No pure electronic voting. Always a scantron so manual verification can be conducted if/when needed.

This should be done in conjunction with voter ID requirements. Until then expect low Democratic support of voter ID laws.

And when it’s offered, what will democrats use an excuse after that?

Because we both know they will.

Some of us would actually be kind of thrilled if Mitch had to prove that all of his votes were legal. Lol: Be careful watch you wish for, And please, share your plan for ensuring that everyone has free valid ID. If you don’t have an actual plan, it’s just blowing smoke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having a state or federal issued ID is reasonable in order to vote. The ID number, issuance authority, individual’s name, and issuance date can be entered on a mail in ballot or captured at time of in person voting. These items can then be cross-referenced at time of vote counting by participating parties and an independent body. This will prevent duplicative voting. It will not prevent dead people voting, but nothing is perfect. As far as the cost to get an ID ... this is minimal even for the very poor. If there needs to be a free ID program for the indigent, then that can be set up. Additionally, independent voting location/machine fraud audits should be conducted in a timely manner using statistical anomalies to drive hand counting. No pure electronic voting. Always a scantron so manual verification can be conducted if/when needed.

This should be done in conjunction with voter ID requirements. Until then expect low Democratic support of voter ID laws.

And when it’s offered, what will democrats use an excuse after that?

Because we both know they will.

So your reason for opposing a free ID program in conjunction with voter ID laws is that Democrats will complain about something else? That's the best you've got?

[Anonymous]

If you are really an immigrant OP- spend more time learning about the US instead of complaining + biting the hand that feeds you. Or, go back to where you came from ingrate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having a state or federal issued ID is reasonable in order to vote. The ID number, issuance authority, individual’s name, and issuance date can be entered on a mail in ballot or captured at time of in person voting. These items can then be cross-referenced at time of vote counting by participating parties and an independent body. This will prevent duplicative voting. It will not prevent dead people voting, but nothing is perfect. As far as the cost to get an ID ... this is minimal even for the very poor. If there needs to be a free ID program for the indigent, then that can be set up. Additionally, independent voting location/machine fraud audits should be conducted in a timely manner using statistical anomalies to drive hand counting. No pure electronic voting. Always a scantron so manual verification can be conducted if/when needed.

This should be done in conjunction with voter ID requirements. Until then expect low Democratic support of voter ID laws.

And when it’s offered, what will democrats use an excuse after that?

Because we both know they will.

Not sure they need an excuse. They have more voters, so they would just need to get their constituents out to vote. What would GOP use as an excuse? This is why I find the Dems dumb. If they were smart they'd turn the issue on its head and be gung ho for voter id's and start up a free ID program. Then GOP would have no more excuses. Alas, Dems argue the dumb side of this issue, while the dirty GOP out foxes them. I really hate both parties, they are either insidious or incompetent.

I agree. We're stuck between the craven and the callow. Turning this thing on its head and proposing a national.voter id, which would also expand registration, seems like a no-brainer. Instead they waste their time trying to explain the nuances of getting an id.