stop whining about voter ID requirements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

None of the things you list are enshrined in the US Constitution as an unassailable and unalienable right. Most of the things you list are private sector, so required by private business or insurance, which is, you know, a private business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can be honest with myself and admit that how I feel about voting rights is how some feel about gun rights: it’s a constitutionally protected right. And just as you have people whining how restricting semi-automatic guns and imposing limits on guns punishes the law-abiding citizen, I would argue that requiring a drivers license punishes those who choose not to drive (which happens to be those who are poor, elderly, or live in areas where a car is not required to get by, like cities). We need to work harder to enfranchise every citizen instead of limiting access because it suits a political agenda.

We already have a National, unique identifier: social security number. We use it for taxes, we can find a way to use it for voting.
In the meantime, stop suppressing law-abiding citizen right to vote because some are butthurt they lost an election.

Note everyone has a social security card or number, at least not until they start working and file for one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every state has a different law about what counts as ID to vote.

And the FACT is that even an state ID (not drivers license) these days is hard to get. Due to COVID waits in my state for an appointment is 4 months. There are no walk in spots.

People who are poor, or elderly, or disabled will struggle mightily to get them even in though they have the RIGHT to vote.

Beyond the appointment you need the fresh paperwork. Elderly people may no longer have access to a birth certificate at all... they may not have been issued one or their courthouse may have burned down. Disabled people who live in group homes or those in nursing homes don't have the transportation to go apply. They may have had valid IDs at one point, but they have expired.

I have friends in Florida who work with a charity that helps people get IDs. They say you won't believe how hard it can be for some people to be able to locate their paperwork.

The GOP is afraid and evil.

Voting is a right. And they want to take it away from the "wrong" people.

The fact is?

All I can say is that you must have a tough life if you think getting a valid ID is "hard."

What kind of adult doesn't have any valid ID in the 21st century?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Furthermore, where is any evidence that there is even voter fraud to begin with? This is just a new way to disenfranchise black people.

Thank you. Voting is NOT a privilege! It is a right and a responsibility. We should be making it easier to vote not harder. And these laws are a solution looking for a problem. There are actual problems with voting that these legislatures could be working on, like the fact that so many of their citizens waited ridiculous amounts of time to cast their ballots in the last election. But not a peep about that. The goal here is clear, even if you can perform some mental gymnastics to say the changes aren't that bad. The GOAL itself is tainted, and therefore so are the actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Furthermore, where is any evidence that there is even voter fraud to begin with? This is just a new way to disenfranchise black people.

How many black people don't have a state issued ID? And why can't they get one if they currently don't have one?

1) because their parents didn't get them one when they were younger; lost birth certificate along the way
2) replacement birth certificate costs money; how can you obtain if you don't have proof of ID - circular problem
3) over the years, as a means of suppression, the places where one can get an ID are more remote, requiring a car, or if lucky, multiple bus rides to get there

If you are asking these questions, then you have never experienced the hurdles in place by majority culture in southern states, or Ohio, which has been egregious in these efforts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the US can expend the resources to locate family members here in the US and send incoming migrants to them, then surely they can make sure all citizens have an ID.

Except the individual rights people will shit little bricks all over the place at the prospects of a national ID card, or federalizing identification into a single database.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where is an id not required? I am in Maryland and I had to show my I’d the first time I voted in my precinct. After that I didn’t need to show it anymore. I think that’s fine.

I live in DC and have voted in 3 different states over the years. I have never once shown an ID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every state has a different law about what counts as ID to vote.

And the FACT is that even an state ID (not drivers license) these days is hard to get. Due to COVID waits in my state for an appointment is 4 months. There are no walk in spots.

People who are poor, or elderly, or disabled will struggle mightily to get them even in though they have the RIGHT to vote.

Beyond the appointment you need the fresh paperwork. Elderly people may no longer have access to a birth certificate at all... they may not have been issued one or their courthouse may have burned down. Disabled people who live in group homes or those in nursing homes don't have the transportation to go apply. They may have had valid IDs at one point, but they have expired.

I have friends in Florida who work with a charity that helps people get IDs. They say you won't believe how hard it can be for some people to be able to locate their paperwork.

The GOP is afraid and evil.

Voting is a right. And they want to take it away from the "wrong" people.

The fact is?

All I can say is that you must have a tough life if you think getting a valid ID is "hard."

What kind of adult doesn't have any valid ID in the 21st century?

This has been discussed ad nauseum. If you want to understand, you'll have to first step outside your priviledge bubble and consider that other people's lives look different than yours. People are poor, workultiple casual jobs to make ends meet, live in rural areas or areas with little access to public transportation.

Also, the definition of "valid ID" being used in these laws is so blatantly lopsided it's almost laughable. Student ID, not valid. Gun registration, valid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?

Or only black people somehow can't make it to the DMV, but white people can?

Google a map in the south of the DMV locations and superimpose the map with where the communities are majority AA. You will see the problem.

If you are making a statement that "only the black people somehow can't make it to the DMV" then you have clearly never experienced the problem. Glad you are enjoying your privilege.

[Anonymous]

I am a liberal. I am ok with national voter ID laws if we ALSO expand national laws on number of polling locations per capita, expanding early voting hours and days, allowing mail in balloting, etc. I want all that protected so dirty racist local politicians can’t mess with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

None of the things you list are enshrined in the US Constitution as an unassailable and unalienable right. Most of the things you list are private sector, so required by private business or insurance, which is, you know, a private business.

It's also a long list, but much of it isn't true. I've gotten on a plane (recently) without ID (it's harder, but you can do it) and I've definitely gotten a fishing license without ID. You also don't need an ID to get medical treatment. Insurance might require it, but if you show up at the ER without ID they're going to treat you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately 40% or so voters here don't believe in science, facts, or statistics. And you know what else? To pass your progressive agenda you need to win elections. And to win elections you need to peel away some GOP voters. So, democrats would be wise to get the voter ID issue out of the way and, at the same time, empower the people that currently don't have an ID to enjoy all the benefits. For example, of opening a bank account or boarding an airplane.

This is all being done BECAUSE democrats won elections. 40+ million more voted for Biden; Biden won AZ, GA, WI, PA, MI - flipped them all away from Trump.

Their agenda polls consistently in the 60-75% range.

Despite the senate 50-50 split, Dem senators represent 43 million more American voters; despite the narrow split in the House and various state houses, the Dems out poll GOP by about 6 percentage points nationally.

The problem isn't the message or the agenda, the problem is a structural imbalance that favors rural white voters over everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?

I think the thought is that people shouldn’t be denied their constitutional right if they don’t have an ID.

I’m glad you’re in favor of the right of everyone to buy an AR15 without ID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Furthermore, where is any evidence that there is even voter fraud to begin with? This is just a new way to disenfranchise black people.

Ah, there it is! The same BS excuses.

You really have no idea what you are talking about. It is just a fact that non-white people lack state issued ID more often than whites people. It’s a fact. I know you people really struggle to understand facts but just f**king keep reading that sentence over and over and maybe you’ll get there.

So then you might want to be like...too bad, get an ID. But that’s a different argument. The point is ...RIGHT NOW...requiring an ID has a racist impact. You just literally cannot live in reality.

Stop the hysterics.

There is not an election on "RIGHT NOW". So you'll have quite a while to tell everyone they need to get an ID.

THere’s an election of some kind in every state, every year.

Here’s a question for you....why did they make it illegal to give water to people waiting on line to vote in GA? Maybe that will clue you in a tiny bit as to what is actually going on here.

It happens to be illegal, federally.

https://www.11alive.com/mobile/article/news/verify/is-it-legal-to-offer-food-or-beverages-at-the-polls/85-e78ab131-cc31-4dfd-928c-708091dd722e

[Anonymous]

I don’t know why people think blacks don’t have ID’s. Of course they do.