We may end up estranged from my parents

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Anonymous wrote:We had evolved into a sort of low contact, monthly phone calls, see them once a year for a short time kind of relationship with my parents. But it gets a lot more complicated when they get really old and start to require help. I went from this pleasant no contact, nontriggering relationship to having to go home and sleep in my childhood bedroom as I helped with my mother's broken hip. My parents are/were massively self-centered and critical. For example, they still call me by a mean childhood nickname that my brother made up when we were preschoolers. At one point I said to my mother, "I have literally been asking you not to call me that for over fifty years, half a century. Do you think you could stop now?" And the answer was that no, I don't have a sense of humor.

The eventuality that you need to be prepared for is that these people who don't behave during the best of times will possibly completely lose their filters as they age. They will require substantive engagement, and even the simplest things like hiring a house cleaner will likely evolve into a major issue, as happened in our family.

We were the siblings where the neighbors were calling us and saying "These people have parked their car on their front lawn, their doors are unlocked, the lights are on all night. Why are you terrible people not taking better care of your fragile elderly?" But they are not the kind of people that you can talk to or negotitate with -- our parents. For years, it felt like we were lying on the railroad tracks waiting for this train to run us over and we had almost no control over when the train hit, whether or not we survived. They would not have gone willingly to assisted living, a home, etc.

The only suggestion I can offer is to get some therapy, to try to cooperate with your siblings and to save money for eventualities like having to spend extended periods of time in your home town so you can afford a hotel, etc.


I have an example like this too. They call me by a name I don't prefer and won't stop despite repeatedly asking them to stop. The older I get the more I find this type of thing so beyond baffling. It's got to be mental illness.


+1 It’s shocking to see that I’m not the only one who gets called by a nickname they don’t like even after I have asked my family not to use it for the last 30 years. I’m also “too sensitive”. I have a mom who makes up ridiculous ideas about me and my DH and then believes them no matter what. I didn’t speak to her for four months after some terrible things she said last year but now am much lower contact than I used to be. I’m also in therapy and learning to not react to her and am much less stressed.

To the PP saying there are two sides to every story - either you have no experience in this type of situation or you are the one causing it in your own family. It very much is one sided sometimes.


We all know dysfunctional, abusive families exist and the dysfunctional group never admits the big abusive stuff. We all know the scapegoat dynamic in dysfunctional families. My family would tell you I distanced myself from them because of the nickname a sibling called me or other petty things. The reality was the issues were far more serious. From the outside, people would never have a clue two of my older siblings who had impressive jobs were physically violent with me several times for no reason in front of other family members. At best I was treated as an employee, not as a family member. My inlaws are similar. People have no clue about the things they did to their children and my spouse and I agreed they would never be alone with our children. People describe my inlaws as the cutest, sweetest couple and they have no clue.
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Anonymous wrote:They are in their mid-70s, DH and I are in our early 50s, and we've had enough of them. Since the day we got married my parents have been painfully unpleasant to be around. They've been abusive during visits, commenting on our apartments and homes over the years (your dad is an expert and fixing XYZ, look at the horrible craftsmanship, how did you hire someone like this, where are they from!!), badmouthing our neighborhoods (tsk tsk you should have brought a house in our neighborhood, it's the best community in the USA), starting fights over the holidays, miserable phone calls that always culminate in stress and fights and being hung up on, chastising us over not being religious enough, and then pretty much gleeful when DOGE threatened our jobs (lazy feds deserve to be punished for all that fraud, ha!!).

So, we're done. I have one sibling who is very close to them and tolerates a lot of their crap (I think it's the anti-anxiety meds that make it so easy to listen to them without wanting to throw them out of her house), therefore she may be the one handling their healthcare needs when the time comes. I want to be a better person but they sure have earned it from me. Is there any hope? I have to say that the lack of communication with them has brought such peace into my life.


I admire your patience because I would have put an end to them long ago. No one has to put up with such behavior from their parents.
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Anonymous wrote:I recognize you, OP. Do you ever get tired of beating the same bush. Either cut them off or stop talking about it. I'm guessing you are as obnoxious to them as they are to you. I know you try my nerves and I just have to see your posts about this on occasion.


Not OP but why do you read posts that try your nerves? Do you ever get tired of doing this to yourself? You are obnoxious.


Basically, I wonder why people have to post repeatedly about the same thing. It's as if they have a massive victim mentality and get attention with their "problems" here. If they really wanted to solve their issues they would get help. It is rarely a one-side issue. But OP and people like her are getting attention by posting repeatedly on the same issue. And that's what they want. Attention. A version of Münchausen syndrome.

Doesn't it actually help if they get a reality check that maybe they are part of the problem?


It actually is often a one-sided issue. As you can see it's only one side that has an issue. In this world there are definitely perpetrators that do things just because they want to not caring about the consequences.


My point is that we are only getting OP's side of the story. There are always two sides of every story involving human beings. Each one sees it through their own lens and their own experiences. But whatever about that. I'm just saying that people who talk/complain/post repeatedly about an issue and do nothing to solve it are simply ruminating. At least the people who say I just need to vent are self aware enough to know that they just want to get it off their chests, relieve the pressure of a situation that is either unsolveable or they don't want the consequences of what the/a solution entails.

I just think people like the OP should become more self aware, and by doing so, maybe they'd be able to handle their issues better.


Lots of people post some version of OP's story. Heck, I have posted something along the same lines in the past.

OP- if other relatives are estranged from your parents, it most certainly is NOT you. Don't listen to these "every story has 2 sides" people. That's not always the case.


How is it possible that anyone believes that there is ever only one side of a story? Of course everyone has their own version. How can you be so self involved as to believe otherwise?

What can be true is that the level of difference a person has is too much for the other to deal with. Fine, then move on. But you people who act like you are blameless or perfect or superior to the other is myopic. You're just different or incompatible.


If multiple family members (both blood and married in, especially) are estranged from someone, then fine, there can be 2 sides to the story. But 1 side is wrong. And it's not self involved to admit that. It's smart.
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Anonymous wrote:I recognize you, OP. Do you ever get tired of beating the same bush. Either cut them off or stop talking about it. I'm guessing you are as obnoxious to them as they are to you. I know you try my nerves and I just have to see your posts about this on occasion.


Not OP but why do you read posts that try your nerves? Do you ever get tired of doing this to yourself? You are obnoxious.


Basically, I wonder why people have to post repeatedly about the same thing. It's as if they have a massive victim mentality and get attention with their "problems" here. If they really wanted to solve their issues they would get help. It is rarely a one-side issue. But OP and people like her are getting attention by posting repeatedly on the same issue. And that's what they want. Attention. A version of Münchausen syndrome.

Doesn't it actually help if they get a reality check that maybe they are part of the problem?


It actually is often a one-sided issue. As you can see it's only one side that has an issue. In this world there are definitely perpetrators that do things just because they want to not caring about the consequences.


My point is that we are only getting OP's side of the story. There are always two sides of every story involving human beings. Each one sees it through their own lens and their own experiences. But whatever about that. I'm just saying that people who talk/complain/post repeatedly about an issue and do nothing to solve it are simply ruminating. At least the people who say I just need to vent are self aware enough to know that they just want to get it off their chests, relieve the pressure of a situation that is either unsolveable or they don't want the consequences of what the/a solution entails.

I just think people like the OP should become more self aware, and by doing so, maybe they'd be able to handle their issues better.


Lots of people post some version of OP's story. Heck, I have posted something along the same lines in the past.

OP- if other relatives are estranged from your parents, it most certainly is NOT you. Don't listen to these "every story has 2 sides" people. That's not always the case.


How is it possible that anyone believes that there is ever only one side of a story? Of course everyone has their own version. How can you be so self involved as to believe otherwise?

What can be true is that the level of difference a person has is too much for the other to deal with. Fine, then move on. But you people who act like you are blameless or perfect or superior to the other is myopic. You're just different or incompatible.


If multiple family members (both blood and married in, especially) are estranged from someone, then fine, there can be 2 sides to the story. [b]But 1 side is wrong. And it's not self involved to admit that. It's smart.[/b]


I don't have a problem with any of this except that one party is wrong. No one is "wrong" assuming no one is committing a crime in how they deal with others. They choose to be a certain way. And then, yes, there are consequences. In these cases, becoming estranged.

And I get that I'm hammering on a point that seems to you or many "nuts." But I see this so often on DCUM (a microcosm of what many are thinking and don't dare say out loud) is people who have zero perspective outside of their own myopic lens.
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Anonymous wrote:I recognize you, OP. Do you ever get tired of beating the same bush. Either cut them off or stop talking about it. I'm guessing you are as obnoxious to them as they are to you. I know you try my nerves and I just have to see your posts about this on occasion.


Not OP but why do you read posts that try your nerves? Do you ever get tired of doing this to yourself? You are obnoxious.


Basically, I wonder why people have to post repeatedly about the same thing. It's as if they have a massive victim mentality and get attention with their "problems" here. If they really wanted to solve their issues they would get help. It is rarely a one-side issue. But OP and people like her are getting attention by posting repeatedly on the same issue. And that's what they want. Attention. A version of Münchausen syndrome.

Doesn't it actually help if they get a reality check that maybe they are part of the problem?


It actually is often a one-sided issue. As you can see it's only one side that has an issue. In this world there are definitely perpetrators that do things just because they want to not caring about the consequences.


My point is that we are only getting OP's side of the story. There are always two sides of every story involving human beings. Each one sees it through their own lens and their own experiences. But whatever about that. I'm just saying that people who talk/complain/post repeatedly about an issue and do nothing to solve it are simply ruminating. At least the people who say I just need to vent are self aware enough to know that they just want to get it off their chests, relieve the pressure of a situation that is either unsolveable or they don't want the consequences of what the/a solution entails.

I just think people like the OP should become more self aware, and by doing so, maybe they'd be able to handle their issues better.


Lots of people post some version of OP's story. Heck, I have posted something along the same lines in the past.

OP- if other relatives are estranged from your parents, it most certainly is NOT you. Don't listen to these "every story has 2 sides" people. That's not always the case.


How is it possible that anyone believes that there is ever only one side of a story? Of course everyone has their own version. How can you be so self involved as to believe otherwise?

What can be true is that the level of difference a person has is too much for the other to deal with. Fine, then move on. But you people who act like you are blameless or perfect or superior to the other is myopic. You're just different or incompatible.


If multiple family members (both blood and married in, especially) are estranged from someone, then fine, there can be 2 sides to the story. [b]But 1 side is wrong. And it's not self involved to admit that. It's smart.[/b]


I don't have a problem with any of this except that one party is wrong. No one is "wrong" assuming no one is committing a crime in how they deal with others. They choose to be a certain way. And then, yes, there are consequences. In these cases, becoming estranged.

And I get that I'm hammering on a point that seems to you or many "nuts." But I see this so often on DCUM (a microcosm of what many are thinking and don't dare say out loud) is people who have zero perspective outside of their own myopic lens.


How can you evaluate perspective from a single post on an anonymous message board?
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OP, It’s worth thinking about your childhood vs how they are now as elderly people. My parents were not perfect and there is some trauma but I know they were trying in their own way when they raised us.

As they have aged, they sound very similar to your parents and it keeps getting worse. But they were never this bad back in the day. So I give them some grace and like a PP said, I don’t want my sibling to have to do all the work in the later years. I set boundaries, ignore a lot of what they say, immediately stop conversations or leave when things get crazy. The kids and I discuss when they say problematic things.

I also have a lot of mental distance. The things that bothered me before no longer do.

I think about my kids as they get older. I don’t know if they will understand the nuances and I don’t want them to feel like they can cut me off for not major reasons (not saying your reasons aren’t major, just that if I dig deep my own with my parents aren’t).

Only you can decide what is appropriate, whether they deserve to be cut off or not, and how you feel about it (beyond that it’s easier not to).
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In most instances with parents it's not a 2-sided story. Like what? One side was/is a child and the other side an adult. It's like saying abusive situations have 2 sides: they do not! One is a perpetrator and the other is a victim! If the perpetrators paint themselves as victims, it doesn't make it 2 sides! It's just delusion, rewriting of history and inability to take accountability. In the end OP, you don't owe your parents anything. If they're awful, they're awful, if you disappear from the face of the Earth, there's nothing they can do. What your sibling does is up to her.
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Anonymous wrote:In most instances with parents it's not a 2-sided story. Like what? One side was/is a child and the other side an adult. It's like saying abusive situations have 2 sides: they do not! One is a perpetrator and the other is a victim! If the perpetrators paint themselves as victims, it doesn't make it 2 sides! It's just delusion, rewriting of history and inability to take accountability. In the end OP, you don't owe your parents anything. If they're awful, they're awful, if you disappear from the face of the Earth, there's nothing they can do. What your sibling does is up to her.


This is spot on and really resonates with me. I have a parent who does terrible things and then says "Everyone has their own truth." When I say terrible things, a recent example is telling her kids not to visit after surgery because she needs a break from everybody, and then saying "When I woke up, all I wanted was to see your faces, but I know everyone is busy." Delusional!!! Some people are just screwed up.
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I'm estranged from a family member. I know they have their side of the story. I've heard it. I'm sure they've told the story to others. I don't care. I'm just glad to be far away and not in contact.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm estranged from a family member. I know they have their side of the story. I've heard it. I'm sure they've told the story to others. I don't care. I'm just glad to be far away and not in contact.



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Little Miss “There are always two sides” can go jump in a lake. I’m sure my sisters and I should really “both sides” on how my dad drove us around drunk as kids. Sure, little children should consider their role in this.
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Anonymous wrote:I recognize you, OP. Do you ever get tired of beating the same bush. Either cut them off or stop talking about it. I'm guessing you are as obnoxious to them as they are to you. I know you try my nerves and I just have to see your posts about this on occasion.


Not OP but why do you read posts that try your nerves? Do you ever get tired of doing this to yourself? You are obnoxious.


Basically, I wonder why people have to post repeatedly about the same thing. It's as if they have a massive victim mentality and get attention with their "problems" here. If they really wanted to solve their issues they would get help. It is rarely a one-side issue. But OP and people like her are getting attention by posting repeatedly on the same issue. And that's what they want. Attention. A version of Münchausen syndrome.

Doesn't it actually help if they get a reality check that maybe they are part of the problem?


It actually is often a one-sided issue. As you can see it's only one side that has an issue. In this world there are definitely perpetrators that do things just because they want to not caring about the consequences.


My point is that we are only getting OP's side of the story. There are always two sides of every story involving human beings. Each one sees it through their own lens and their own experiences. But whatever about that. I'm just saying that people who talk/complain/post repeatedly about an issue and do nothing to solve it are simply ruminating. At least the people who say I just need to vent are self aware enough to know that they just want to get it off their chests, relieve the pressure of a situation that is either unsolveable or they don't want the consequences of what the/a solution entails.

I just think people like the OP should become more self aware, and by doing so, maybe they'd be able to handle their issues better.


Lots of people post some version of OP's story. Heck, I have posted something along the same lines in the past.

OP- if other relatives are estranged from your parents, it most certainly is NOT you. Don't listen to these "every story has 2 sides" people. That's not always the case.


How is it possible that anyone believes that there is ever only one side of a story? Of course everyone has their own version. How can you be so self involved as to believe otherwise?

What can be true is that the level of difference a person has is too much for the other to deal with. Fine, then move on. But you people who act like you are blameless or perfect or superior to the other is myopic. You're just different or incompatible.


If multiple family members (both blood and married in, especially) are estranged from someone, then fine, there can be 2 sides to the story. [b]But 1 side is wrong. And it's not self involved to admit that. It's smart.[/b]


I don't have a problem with any of this except that one party is wrong. No one is "wrong" assuming no one is committing a crime in how they deal with others. They choose to be a certain way. And then, yes, there are consequences. In these cases, becoming estranged.

And I get that I'm hammering on a point that seems to you or many "nuts." But I see this so often on DCUM (a microcosm of what many are thinking and don't dare say out loud) is people who have zero perspective outside of their own myopic lens.


How can you evaluate perspective from a single post on an anonymous message board?


Well we can't, that's kind of the point! We are simply getting one person's perspective with most of these threads, so it's funny how so many are quick to say which side is right/wrong
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Anonymous wrote:Little Miss “There are always two sides” can go jump in a lake. I’m sure my sisters and I should really “both sides” on how my dad drove us around drunk as kids. Sure, little children should consider their role in this.


Where did OP say her dad was driving them around drunk? Oh right she didn't. Projection is a sign that you could use some therapy to work through this, please consider it.
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Anonymous wrote:In most instances with parents it's not a 2-sided story. Like what? One side was/is a child and the other side an adult. It's like saying abusive situations have 2 sides: they do not! One is a perpetrator and the other is a victim! If the perpetrators paint themselves as victims, it doesn't make it 2 sides! It's just delusion, rewriting of history and inability to take accountability. In the end OP, you don't owe your parents anything. If they're awful, they're awful, if you disappear from the face of the Earth, there's nothing they can do. What your sibling does is up to her.


This is true for some cases. Other times one side just finds the other annoying and insufferable, or there's an argument and both sides are too stubborn to reconcile. Sometimes mental illness or addition is a factor. Etc., etc.. It's ok for not all situations to be the same, the black and white thinking of some of you is so puzzling sometimes, why is it so important to you that everything be the same? Is it a lack of confidence?
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thanks for all the feedback. They never went for therapy and most certainly don’t go now. They’ve told themselves all the tears it’s everyone else, not them— they are estranged from their relatives in their own families.

They just don’t get it, that they could be the problem in the room. They will not curb their behavior or keep their mouths shut as they believe they are really helping you in some way by calling out all the problems that you supposedly don’t see and that they’re just so intuitive and details and well, you should be grateful for their input. They think they’re doing you a favor by telling you that your neighborhood isn’t that great or your handyman did a bad job fixing the sink or they find some piece of news on Yahoo about your school district.

So yeah, if I do end up capitulating and helping them, I will just say I’m not doing it for them. I’m doing it for my sibling.


Way to dump your parents on your sibling.


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Just don’t come crawling out of the hole for inheritances. Let her have everything, even in the offhand case that they didn’t write it out that way
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