We all know dysfunctional, abusive families exist and the dysfunctional group never admits the big abusive stuff. We all know the scapegoat dynamic in dysfunctional families. My family would tell you I distanced myself from them because of the nickname a sibling called me or other petty things. The reality was the issues were far more serious. From the outside, people would never have a clue two of my older siblings who had impressive jobs were physically violent with me several times for no reason in front of other family members. At best I was treated as an employee, not as a family member. My inlaws are similar. People have no clue about the things they did to their children and my spouse and I agreed they would never be alone with our children. People describe my inlaws as the cutest, sweetest couple and they have no clue. |
I admire your patience because I would have put an end to them long ago. No one has to put up with such behavior from their parents. |
If multiple family members (both blood and married in, especially) are estranged from someone, then fine, there can be 2 sides to the story. But 1 side is wrong. And it's not self involved to admit that. It's smart. |
I don't have a problem with any of this except that one party is wrong. No one is "wrong" assuming no one is committing a crime in how they deal with others. They choose to be a certain way. And then, yes, there are consequences. In these cases, becoming estranged. And I get that I'm hammering on a point that seems to you or many "nuts." But I see this so often on DCUM (a microcosm of what many are thinking and don't dare say out loud) is people who have zero perspective outside of their own myopic lens. |
How can you evaluate perspective from a single post on an anonymous message board? |
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OP, It’s worth thinking about your childhood vs how they are now as elderly people. My parents were not perfect and there is some trauma but I know they were trying in their own way when they raised us.
As they have aged, they sound very similar to your parents and it keeps getting worse. But they were never this bad back in the day. So I give them some grace and like a PP said, I don’t want my sibling to have to do all the work in the later years. I set boundaries, ignore a lot of what they say, immediately stop conversations or leave when things get crazy. The kids and I discuss when they say problematic things. I also have a lot of mental distance. The things that bothered me before no longer do. I think about my kids as they get older. I don’t know if they will understand the nuances and I don’t want them to feel like they can cut me off for not major reasons (not saying your reasons aren’t major, just that if I dig deep my own with my parents aren’t). Only you can decide what is appropriate, whether they deserve to be cut off or not, and how you feel about it (beyond that it’s easier not to). |
| In most instances with parents it's not a 2-sided story. Like what? One side was/is a child and the other side an adult. It's like saying abusive situations have 2 sides: they do not! One is a perpetrator and the other is a victim! If the perpetrators paint themselves as victims, it doesn't make it 2 sides! It's just delusion, rewriting of history and inability to take accountability. In the end OP, you don't owe your parents anything. If they're awful, they're awful, if you disappear from the face of the Earth, there's nothing they can do. What your sibling does is up to her. |
This is spot on and really resonates with me. I have a parent who does terrible things and then says "Everyone has their own truth." When I say terrible things, a recent example is telling her kids not to visit after surgery because she needs a break from everybody, and then saying "When I woke up, all I wanted was to see your faces, but I know everyone is busy." Delusional!!! Some people are just screwed up. |
| I'm estranged from a family member. I know they have their side of the story. I've heard it. I'm sure they've told the story to others. I don't care. I'm just glad to be far away and not in contact. |
+1 |
| Little Miss “There are always two sides” can go jump in a lake. I’m sure my sisters and I should really “both sides” on how my dad drove us around drunk as kids. Sure, little children should consider their role in this. |
Well we can't, that's kind of the point! We are simply getting one person's perspective with most of these threads, so it's funny how so many are quick to say which side is right/wrong |
Where did OP say her dad was driving them around drunk? Oh right she didn't. Projection is a sign that you could use some therapy to work through this, please consider it. |
This is true for some cases. Other times one side just finds the other annoying and insufferable, or there's an argument and both sides are too stubborn to reconcile. Sometimes mental illness or addition is a factor. Etc., etc.. It's ok for not all situations to be the same, the black and white thinking of some of you is so puzzling sometimes, why is it so important to you that everything be the same? Is it a lack of confidence? |
+1 Just don’t come crawling out of the hole for inheritances. Let her have everything, even in the offhand case that they didn’t write it out that way |