Held back but gifted, is this frowned upon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But why didn't you start him on time if he was academically advanced? Its an odd choice, and if people know his birthday they might judge, but if youre offered the spot and its best for your kid, take it.

He will be a year older than many kids, but thats just facts. My August boy went on time and is in AAP, so your son would be 14 months older.

I didn’t hold back my gifted August boy. But he’s 2E so it definitely would have been a credible choice. He’s doing well now (7th grade) but I think a lot of his struggles with behavior could have been better if he had been held back. Especially since he IS so smart in some ways, teachers would ignore that he actually needed a lot more hands-on help with the areas of his weaknesses.

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I was in gifted programs as a child. There aren't any anymore where I live.

Unless your kid is for sure bound for the very top colleges in America (which can probably be determined by looking at parental educational attainment and income), none of this early grade enrichment will matter.

Your child needs excellent math skills. Deep reading abilities are also becoming more distinguishing than in the past when most smart kids were high-volume book readers, etc.

Parents can supplement the math in various ways (paid and unpaid). Reading doesn't require much pedagogical training/support once the kid can read independently.

I live in an economically modest community with almost no high-pressure, high-income status parenting. What I see here is that the kids who do the best academically are the children of K-12 teachers. I believe it's likely that they received excellent supplemental elementary math help from K-6.

If I could go back in time, I would have made my kids do more math in elementary school. I took some steps to make them strong readers, including delayed introduction of video gaming consoles, that worked out well.

TL;DR if OP's kid is just age advanced, the benefits of being in this program will diminish with time. And unless it drives superior math understanding or love and practice of deep reading - it won't affect the kid's trajectory.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like he is not gifted, just a year older

[Anonymous]

I think most boys should be redshirted.

The school environment is made for girls, not boys who have a lot more energy. I redshirted my twins, partly because they were born early, and because we thought that would be best for them. Mine were in gifted classes, but in our school district, gifted is kind of a joke. We've always supplemented with math and reading tutors to keep them challenged.

Scott Galloway, a guy who has a podcast, has stated that one of the ways to make up for the way boys are being disadvantaged in society, is to redshirt them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think most boys should be redshirted.

The school environment is made for girls, not boys who have a lot more energy. I redshirted my twins, partly because they were born early, and because we thought that would be best for them. Mine were in gifted classes, but in our school district, gifted is kind of a joke. We've always supplemented with math and reading tutors to keep them challenged.

Scott Galloway, a guy who has a podcast, has stated that one of the ways to make up for the way boys are being disadvantaged in society, is to redshirt them.

Yeah totally after all in this very nation, it was far more common for girls to be formally educated than boys.

Can you please have your posted bronzed - get Galloway to sign it first (he is not a doctor of philosopher or education or science - he’s a business prof who tells people what they want to hear, like a less serious Malcolm Gladwell). If you have a straight son, any potential daughters in law deserve to see you for what you are.

[Anonymous]

Entrance tests to gifted programs are usually calibrated by age, so it shouldn't make any difference, OP.

If your school district does not administer one of the conventional tests, and just goes with grades, then yes, your child has an unfair advantage. You will need to deal with that.

[Anonymous]

Yes, it’s fine. Kids are held back/started later for a variety of reasons, some nothing to do with academics. If you have a kid that is testing 99th percentile, chances are they are testing 99th percentile in the next grade up and possible the one above that too. It’s fine OP- you aren’t taking anyone’s spot and your son would likely still qualify in the next grade as well

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most boys should be redshirted.

The school environment is made for girls, not boys who have a lot more energy. I redshirted my twins, partly because they were born early, and because we thought that would be best for them. Mine were in gifted classes, but in our school district, gifted is kind of a joke. We've always supplemented with math and reading tutors to keep them challenged.

Scott Galloway, a guy who has a podcast, has stated that one of the ways to make up for the way boys are being disadvantaged in society, is to redshirt them.

Yeah totally after all in this very nation, it was far more common for girls to be formally educated than boys.

Can you please have your posted bronzed - get Galloway to sign it first (he is not a doctor of philosopher or education or science - he’s a business prof who tells people what they want to hear, like a less serious Malcolm Gladwell). If you have a straight son, any potential daughters in law deserve to see you for what you are.

I'm sure that's what your gender studies degree taught you, that it is now fine to discriminate against boys. I don't agree, and I'm guessing your parents can't wait to get you out of their basement, tough guy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At our school gifted testing is age normed to cover fur the age range issue..but if offered a spot I think it's fine to accept.

Age norm is difficult to cover or adjust for in early elementary, sometimes how a student performs on a test has less to do with their natural intelligence and more to do with understanding of test/technology

No, that's what age normed means, they account for that.

Still doesn’t account for kids on the younger end who just can’t figure out how to take the test at all.

The child probably isn’t gifted if they can’t figure out how to take the test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most boys should be redshirted.

The school environment is made for girls, not boys who have a lot more energy. I redshirted my twins, partly because they were born early, and because we thought that would be best for them. Mine were in gifted classes, but in our school district, gifted is kind of a joke. We've always supplemented with math and reading tutors to keep them challenged.

Scott Galloway, a guy who has a podcast, has stated that one of the ways to make up for the way boys are being disadvantaged in society, is to redshirt them.

Yeah totally after all in this very nation, it was far more common for girls to be formally educated than boys.

Can you please have your posted bronzed - get Galloway to sign it first (he is not a doctor of philosopher or education or science - he’s a business prof who tells people what they want to hear, like a less serious Malcolm Gladwell). If you have a straight son, any potential daughters in law deserve to see you for what you are.

I'm sure that's what your gender studies degree taught you, that it is now fine to discriminate against boys. I don't agree, and I'm guessing your parents can't wait to get you out of their basement, tough guy.

I have top 10 degrees as an undergrad and for law school and you truly have zero clue. What a tragedy that you reproduced. Congratulations on “raising” overpraised, never qualified, entitled, self-pitying boys.

[Anonymous]

Your child is NOT above grade level, they are on grade level because you held them back. Bad brag as you should not have held back your kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s fine. Kids are held back/started later for a variety of reasons, some nothing to do with academics. If you have a kid that is testing 99th percentile, chances are they are testing 99th percentile in the next grade up and possible the one above that too. It’s fine OP- you aren’t taking anyone’s spot and your son would likely still qualify in the next grade as well

Yes, they are taking a spot from a kid who actually earned it as there are only so many spots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s fine. Kids are held back/started later for a variety of reasons, some nothing to do with academics. If you have a kid that is testing 99th percentile, chances are they are testing 99th percentile in the next grade up and possible the one above that too. It’s fine OP- you aren’t taking anyone’s spot and your son would likely still qualify in the next grade as well

Yes, they are taking a spot from a kid who actually earned it as there are only so many spots.

No they aren’t. He kid would likely have qualified in the next grade up as well

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s fine. Kids are held back/started later for a variety of reasons, some nothing to do with academics. If you have a kid that is testing 99th percentile, chances are they are testing 99th percentile in the next grade up and possible the one above that too. It’s fine OP- you aren’t taking anyone’s spot and your son would likely still qualify in the next grade as well

Yes, they are taking a spot from a kid who actually earned it as there are only so many spots.

No they aren’t. He kid would likely have qualified in the next grade up as well

Wrong again. And if that were remotely true, why wouldn’t she wait for the next grade up? It’s like asking why if the money is not the reason, people have their kids apply for private in K and not 6th or 9th - it’s because when kids are older you can tell who has the stuff for real study.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s fine. Kids are held back/started later for a variety of reasons, some nothing to do with academics. If you have a kid that is testing 99th percentile, chances are they are testing 99th percentile in the next grade up and possible the one above that too. It’s fine OP- you aren’t taking anyone’s spot and your son would likely still qualify in the next grade as well

Yes, they are taking a spot from a kid who actually earned it as there are only so many spots.

No they aren’t. He kid would likely have qualified in the next grade up as well

Wrong again. And if that were remotely true, why wouldn’t she wait for the next grade up? It’s like asking why if the money is not the reason, people have their kids apply for private in K and not 6th or 9th - it’s because when kids are older you can tell who has the stuff for real study.

There are many reasons for redshirting. No need to be rude. My own son isn’t “redshirted” but is a Sept birthday that started early but then we moved and had him repeat a grade for a variety reasons. But his test scores are off the charts and by academic ability, he could have skipped middle school all together- and practically did.