Held back but gifted, is this frowned upon?

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The child is not gifted if he is a grade behind.

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But why didn't you start him on time if he was academically advanced? Its an odd choice, and if people know his birthday they might judge, but if youre offered the spot and its best for your kid, take it.

He will be a year older than many kids, but thats just facts. My August boy went on time and is in AAP, so your son would be 14 months older.

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Why do you care what other people think ?

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Was he held back because of red shirting or held back because he wasn’t doing well in school?

[Anonymous]

A kid held back in early ES is being redshirted and is not GT and yes, OP is being manipulative and yes, she knows, and no, it won’t be sustained into anything real. She’s just a selfish hustling boy mom, who has to try and take a slot her son didn’t earn. It’s always the same story.

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Anonymous wrote:I held my son back (June) and I am testing him into the gifted program at our school. The way our school program works is only the top percentile compared to peers are chosen. Is it generally frowned upon to take a spot if you are supposed to be in the grade above?

Your child is not likely gifted but is a year older so should perform better on the tests used for these programs. As others have said, the tests tend to be aged normed in order to deal with the age discrepancy. The NNAT and CoGAT are age normed, I believe that the WiSC is age normed as well. If your school uses something like that to determine who belongs in the program and your kid is in one of those slots then fine.

If your school is taking the top performers in school in general and there is no age norming then there is a good chance that your child is in that group because they are older and more mature and less likely that they are gifted.

Make the choice that works for your child and helps your child learn and stay engaged in school. Don’t be surprised if your child stops appearing as advanced by MS as other kids catch up in maturity and the academic field starts to level off.

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Anonymous wrote:At our school gifted testing is age normed to cover fur the age range issue..but if offered a spot I think it's fine to accept.

Age norm is difficult to cover or adjust for in early elementary, sometimes how a student performs on a test has less to do with their natural intelligence and more to do with understanding of test/technology

No, that's what age normed means, they account for that.

Still doesn’t account for kids on the younger end who just can’t figure out how to take the test at all.

We can hopefully assume that test developers do a good bit of testing on the right age kid to make it accessible to the population.

Yes but some kids just need more time to figure out how to take those kind of tests. It’s maturity as well. My kid’s scores jumped between 50-60 percentiles between the end of second and the beginning of third grade. It just took that long for it to click and for DC to fully understand the expectations. The teachers say that just happens with some kids. Scores are now over the 95th percentile and DC is bored without the accelerated options, so glad they didn’t just write DC off based on those previous scores.

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Anonymous wrote:I held my son back (June) and I am testing him into the gifted program at our school. The way our school program works is only the top percentile compared to peers are chosen. Is it generally frowned upon to take a spot if you are supposed to be in the grade above?

Your child is not likely gifted but is a year older so should perform better on the tests used for these programs. As others have said, the tests tend to be aged normed in order to deal with the age discrepancy. The NNAT and CoGAT are age normed, I believe that the WiSC is age normed as well. If your school uses something like that to determine who belongs in the program and your kid is in one of those slots then fine.

If your school is taking the top performers in school in general and there is no age norming then there is a good chance that your child is in that group because they are older and more mature and less likely that they are gifted.

Make the choice that works for your child and helps your child learn and stay engaged in school. Don’t be surprised if your child stops appearing as advanced by MS as other kids catch up in maturity and the academic field starts to level off.

No problem- MS gives time for OP to save her quarters for the psychologist who determines that her not gifted son requires accommodations for testing. Having the extra year grants the focus to provide the correct answers to get the diagnosis.

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Your child is not gifted.

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Anonymous wrote:At our school gifted testing is age normed to cover fur the age range issue..but if offered a spot I think it's fine to accept.

Age norm is difficult to cover or adjust for in early elementary, sometimes how a student performs on a test has less to do with their natural intelligence and more to do with understanding of test/technology

No, that's what age normed means, they account for that.

Still doesn’t account for kids on the younger end who just can’t figure out how to take the test at all.

We can hopefully assume that test developers do a good bit of testing on the right age kid to make it accessible to the population.

Yes but some kids just need more time to figure out how to take those kind of tests. It’s maturity as well. My kid’s scores jumped between 50-60 percentiles between the end of second and the beginning of third grade. It just took that long for it to click and for DC to fully understand the expectations. The teachers say that just happens with some kids. Scores are now over the 95th percentile and DC is bored without the accelerated options, so glad they didn’t just write DC off based on those previous scores.

That is why they got rid of tracking..kids gut labeled at a young age and that was it. That said before he was able to understand what was being asked it was probably better to be in a slower paced class.

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Anonymous wrote:At our school gifted testing is age normed to cover fur the age range issue..but if offered a spot I think it's fine to accept.

Age norm is difficult to cover or adjust for in early elementary, sometimes how a student performs on a test has less to do with their natural intelligence and more to do with understanding of test/technology

No, that's what age normed means, they account for that.

Yeah, it actually makes it a little harder for the older kids -- you basically need a higher score than kids in the same grade.

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Anonymous wrote:At our school gifted testing is age normed to cover fur the age range issue..but if offered a spot I think it's fine to accept.

Age norm is difficult to cover or adjust for in early elementary, sometimes how a student performs on a test has less to do with their natural intelligence and more to do with understanding of test/technology

No, that's what age normed means, they account for that.

Yeah, it actually makes it a little harder for the older kids -- you basically need a higher score than kids in the same grade.

Which makes sense since the benefit of an earlier birthday is real in early ES. OP and other parents who don’t like it don’t like having their manipulations countered.

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Anonymous wrote:At our school gifted testing is age normed to cover fur the age range issue..but if offered a spot I think it's fine to accept.

Age norm is difficult to cover or adjust for in early elementary, sometimes how a student performs on a test has less to do with their natural intelligence and more to do with understanding of test/technology

Better than just calling every redshirted kid gifted and every kid with a late birthday slow..when they are 1.5 years apart. At 5 that is huge.

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If your son were truly gifted he would have been pushed ahead on recommendations of the teachers. My DD is a late July birthday and we were told it would be a huge disservice to her to hold her back at every stage in her early education (we asked), so we kept pushing her forward. Now in 6th, she is so tiny for the grade, indeed 1.5 years younger than some. She did test into the gifted program and all advanced classes. An older non gifted kid might test 'gifted' initially, but won't be able to keep up in later elementary and beyond. Many of these school programs are not age normed. The programs that are true gifted programs are based on an aged normal test, like WPPSI, WISC, CTONI, Stanford-Binet - the others are achievement tests that really just measure maturity.

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Anonymous wrote:At our school gifted testing is age normed to cover fur the age range issue..but if offered a spot I think it's fine to accept.

Age norm is difficult to cover or adjust for in early elementary, sometimes how a student performs on a test has less to do with their natural intelligence and more to do with understanding of test/technology

No, that's what age normed means, they account for that.

Still doesn’t account for kids on the younger end who just can’t figure out how to take the test at all.

My kid took the test at 4 on Dr recommendation, scored 125. She retested at 8 and scored 135. A child cannot game the system at 4 years old; although they can have a bad day - so, at that age a good score is good and a bad one is just inconclusive to me.

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Anonymous wrote:At our school gifted testing is age normed to cover fur the age range issue..but if offered a spot I think it's fine to accept.

Age norm is difficult to cover or adjust for in early elementary, sometimes how a student performs on a test has less to do with their natural intelligence and more to do with understanding of test/technology

No, that's what age normed means, they account for that.

Yeah, it actually makes it a little harder for the older kids -- you basically need a higher score than kids in the same grade.

On true gifted tests you are only compared to kids in a 3 month band, so you are all effectively in the same boat. Yes the ones pushed ahead will have been exposed to older kids, and more content. But honestly, how much do they cover in pre-K, where naturally there is such a wide range.