USWNT loses 0-2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

I don't believe this to be true. There are very talented girls but the ID processes are political and not based on talent. That also goes for who is selected or the USWNT too.

Secondly, most pro soccer players on the women's side are making around $50k on average and that was after fighting for better pay. Who is putting their bodies through all that for a starting salary of $35k? You may as well use soccer to go the college route and have a degree and marketable skills. Your salary would likely be increased much faster working a regular career. Most will not have a Morgan or Rodman salary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

There's enough girls interested in soccer that blew up the youth scene to what it is now. How many clubs are there? How many leagues are there? If there was a singular umbrella holding all of this, there's a way to fix it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

I don't believe this to be true. There are very talented girls but the ID processes are political and not based on talent. That also goes for who is selected or the USWNT too.

Secondly, most pro soccer players on the women's side are making around $50k on average and that was after fighting for better pay. Who is putting their bodies through all that for a starting salary of $35k? You may as well use soccer to go the college route and have a degree and marketable skills. Your salary would likely be increased much faster working a regular career. Most will not have a Morgan or Rodman salary.

The ones who actually have a passion for it. Even overseas in smaller clubs those players will sacrifice and take low pay, supplement other jobs to chase their dream. It happens. Some kids will do it for fun and some kids will chase their passion. There's room for both if the stage is set properly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

I don't believe this to be true. There are very talented girls but the ID processes are political and not based on talent. That also goes for who is selected or the USWNT too.

Secondly, most pro soccer players on the women's side are making around $50k on average and that was after fighting for better pay. Who is putting their bodies through all that for a starting salary of $35k? You may as well use soccer to go the college route and have a degree and marketable skills. Your salary would likely be increased much faster working a regular career. Most will not have a Morgan or Rodman salary.

Are you referring to the NWSL players making 400k a year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

I don't believe this to be true. There are very talented girls but the ID processes are political and not based on talent. That also goes for who is selected or the USWNT too.

Secondly, most pro soccer players on the women's side are making around $50k on average and that was after fighting for better pay. Who is putting their bodies through all that for a starting salary of $35k? You may as well use soccer to go the college route and have a degree and marketable skills. Your salary would likely be increased much faster working a regular career. Most will not have a Morgan or Rodman salary.

Are you referring to the NWSL players making 400k a year?

No, I'm referring to the average player making $54k a year. And even that is skewed higher by the high earners like Rodman and Morgan. Median salary woul be a better indicator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL destroyed the youth soccer landscape and is now a domino effect on the NL. ECNL blew up the HS recruiting and ODP program.

Finally people are starting to understand why ECNL is not good for players.

It's great for players in ECNL. A starter on an ECNL team can expect to play in college. That is the goal and how the league sells itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

I don't believe this to be true. There are very talented girls but the ID processes are political and not based on talent. That also goes for who is selected or the USWNT too.

Secondly, most pro soccer players on the women's side are making around $50k on average and that was after fighting for better pay. Who is putting their bodies through all that for a starting salary of $35k? You may as well use soccer to go the college route and have a degree and marketable skills. Your salary would likely be increased much faster working a regular career. Most will not have a Morgan or Rodman salary.

A national league requires thousands of players. There are not thousands of roster spots in NWSL let alone thousands of opening per year. Academy systems work because you concentrate talent in the academies so you don't need a whole national league. Academies cost money and there is no organization on the women's side with money

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

I don't believe this to be true. There are very talented girls but the ID processes are political and not based on talent. That also goes for who is selected or the USWNT too.

Secondly, most pro soccer players on the women's side are making around $50k on average and that was after fighting for better pay. Who is putting their bodies through all that for a starting salary of $35k? You may as well use soccer to go the college route and have a degree and marketable skills. Your salary would likely be increased much faster working a regular career. Most will not have a Morgan or Rodman salary.

A national league requires thousands of players. There are not thousands of roster spots in NWSL let alone thousands of opening per year. Academy systems work because you concentrate talent in the academies so you don't need a whole national league. Academies cost money and there is no organization on the women's side with money

But NWSL just signed a huge new media deal and sold 2 new franchise locations at $60 mill a pop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

You’re trying to build a castle on quicksand. Fix the youth soccer landscape first otherwise we’ll keep producing the same limited style of player. IMHO Tobin Heath is the only player (now retired) on the WNT that ever had the full technical skillset that the next generation is going to need to get the program back on track.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

I don't believe this to be true. There are very talented girls but the ID processes are political and not based on talent. That also goes for who is selected or the USWNT too.

Secondly, most pro soccer players on the women's side are making around $50k on average and that was after fighting for better pay. Who is putting their bodies through all that for a starting salary of $35k? You may as well use soccer to go the college route and have a degree and marketable skills. Your salary would likely be increased much faster working a regular career. Most will not have a Morgan or Rodman salary.

A national league requires thousands of players. There are not thousands of roster spots in NWSL let alone thousands of opening per year. Academy systems work because you concentrate talent in the academies so you don't need a whole national league. Academies cost money and there is no organization on the women's side with money

But NWSL just signed a huge new media deal and sold 2 new franchise locations at $60 mill a pop.

True story the days of oh my the median salary is this tiny amount thus I can’t fathom letting my daughter chase her dream. That’s silly there is room for both, this is a yes and situation not either/or one . ECNL is singularly focused approach does not work for everyone, the light over these sheep’s eyes is slowly dissipating

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

I don't believe this to be true. There are very talented girls but the ID processes are political and not based on talent. That also goes for who is selected or the USWNT too.

Secondly, most pro soccer players on the women's side are making around $50k on average and that was after fighting for better pay. Who is putting their bodies through all that for a starting salary of $35k? You may as well use soccer to go the college route and have a degree and marketable skills. Your salary would likely be increased much faster working a regular career. Most will not have a Morgan or Rodman salary.

A national league requires thousands of players. There are not thousands of roster spots in NWSL let alone thousands of opening per year. Academy systems work because you concentrate talent in the academies so you don't need a whole national league. Academies cost money and there is no organization on the women's side with money

But NWSL just signed a huge new media deal and sold 2 new franchise locations at $60 mill a pop.

True story the days of oh my the median salary is this tiny amount thus I can’t fathom letting my daughter chase her dream. That’s silly there is room for both, this is a yes and situation not either/or one . ECNL is singularly focused approach does not work for everyone, the light over these sheep’s eyes is slowly dissipating

Especially if you’ll let her pursue other lower-paying passions like teaching, social work, the arts, journalism, public service, etc.

[Anonymous]

Same thing as tennis. The world has caught up big time in mens and womens games.
The system in the US is completely profit driven and designed to get kids to college.
Other countries have a national system and are building players for a potential pro tennis career. The build a player differently.
When that doesn't pan out, they come to the US and fill the rosters of the top US teams.

Don't get me wrong - most of the top US juniors are no longer going to actual school after 7th grade, but they are mainly focused on college.

Let me know when ECNL clubs start mandating girls drop out of school and train all day !

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same thing as tennis. The world has caught up big time in mens and womens games.
The system in the US is completely profit driven and designed to get kids to college.
Other countries have a national system and are building players for a potential pro tennis career. The build a player differently.
When that doesn't pan out, they come to the US and fill the rosters of the top US teams.

Don't get me wrong - most of the top US juniors are no longer going to actual school after 7th grade, but they are mainly focused on college.

Let me know when ECNL clubs start mandating girls drop out of school and train all day !

Not happening, see prior response as long as our society only values the almighty dollar some professions are just not valued. Women’s soccer is not valued, hence it is in this current situation. Capitalism for the win always

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

There aren't enough girls good enough to skip college to make a league focusing solely on pro-pathways viable.

I don't believe this to be true. There are very talented girls but the ID processes are political and not based on talent. That also goes for who is selected or the USWNT too.

Secondly, most pro soccer players on the women's side are making around $50k on average and that was after fighting for better pay. Who is putting their bodies through all that for a starting salary of $35k? You may as well use soccer to go the college route and have a degree and marketable skills. Your salary would likely be increased much faster working a regular career. Most will not have a Morgan or Rodman salary.

A national league requires thousands of players. There are not thousands of roster spots in NWSL let alone thousands of opening per year. Academy systems work because you concentrate talent in the academies so you don't need a whole national league. Academies cost money and there is no organization on the women's side with money

But NWSL just signed a huge new media deal and sold 2 new franchise locations at $60 mill a pop.

League minimum salary is 36k. They are not funding residential academies when they can't even pay their players

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same thing as tennis. The world has caught up big time in mens and womens games.
The system in the US is completely profit driven and designed to get kids to college.
Other countries have a national system and are building players for a potential pro tennis career. The build a player differently.
When that doesn't pan out, they come to the US and fill the rosters of the top US teams.

Don't get me wrong - most of the top US juniors are no longer going to actual school after 7th grade, but they are mainly focused on college.

Let me know when ECNL clubs start mandating girls drop out of school and train all day !

So your argument is to not try and be the best?

Maybe this would be a good motto... "Shoot low, play ECNL"