USWNT loses 0-2

[Anonymous]

Great points, but keeping players on the NT just to keep eyes on the product is a silly move and that's been the case. NT should field the best players that fit their model based on merit, not their followers on IG.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

Umm… US Soccer recently promoted GA to the same level as MLS NWSL USWNT USMNT USL etc.

These are the same people that created Development Academy to address this issue 10 years ago.

They know we’re in trouble. Soon there’s going to be an NWSL Next equivalent for girls.

You still don't understand that this means what you hope or think it means. It is not lining up GA to be DA 2.0

US Soccer is out of the youth soccer business after being in it for 10 years.

NWSL is easily 20 years behind MLS at this point and is just not in a position financially or size wise to run a useful academy system.

If, NWSL clubs were interested in bringing HS age kids on board there is nothing stopping NWSL from scouting ECNL or GA events alongside colleges.

It is going to take a long time to both grow NWSL from the league that is half the size of MLS to the size of MLS while being financially able to fund both their own academies and the league.

Even MLSNext is little more than a pyramid scheme. Parents at SYC and other MLSNext clubs paying for your "pathway to pro" all the while your league fees are helping to fund the actual academies. DC United doesn't care what club you play for. It isn't necessary to play for any local MLSNext team. If you can make their academy team you can make the team. Everyone else in the league, you're funding MLS academies.

NWSL is a long ways from having that kind of system.

The other issue women's professional soccer has to contend with is Title 9. There are far more women's college programs than there are men's. Unlike men, women have a greater chance of playing in college versus men. The draw of leagues like ECNL understand this and attract large numbers of girls who are willing to pay for a relatively realistic chance at playing in college. Playing pro is not necessarily a part of the plan for girls. On the boys side, a pro path is almost necessary just to even be considered for top college programs due to the fewer college roster spots and the large international influx of players taking college spots.

If we are to take the next step NWSL need to scout ECNL and GA for youth players while making it worth their while to turn their back on college pathway. That will be a hard sell for most without big money behind it. League affiliation won't nor shouldn't matter during these early stages. NWSL has enough on its plate simply growing it's own league before it can just tack on a Academy system.

So, SYC/GA dad, while some of the things you hope will happen, should in some form happen, but unless you are expecting a newborn currently there isn't a single child of a parent in this thread who's kids will ever benefit from such a system. It is 10-20 years off.

Yeah thanks for the monologue, duh! You missed that fact that GA will be the path of development because there are not current pro-pathways. But if you are not given the chance to improve and train like a professional there is absolutely no chance because of narrow male viewpoints like yours. If you can't see it of course you won't believe in it, like a religion, stick to yours ECNL. I'll stick to mine, which is not GA its Development

I never mentioned ECNL as a pathway beyond college. College is the draw not professional soccer. There is no money in it either to earn or to spend on the development and infrastructure necessary. There are not even enough teams in NWSL for the size of our country. Look at a map and tell me how a league already strapped for cash can create a useful academy system that serves the nation?

https://sportleaguemaps.com/soccer/north-america/nwsl/

If your kid doesn't make Spirit's academy are you going to move to North Carolina or Florida so your kid can earn $35k a year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great points, but keeping players on the NT just to keep eyes on the product is a silly move and that's been the case. NT should field the best players that fit their model based on merit, not their followers on IG.

I didn't say keep players on the NT for eyeballs. Wins and success bring eyeballs to the product. If the NT continues to trend down people just lose interest overall and even if interest remains high getting knocked out early certainly limits obvious viewership and revenue.

MLS would have take over and completely subsidize NWSL and create the league like the NBA does with the WNBA. The difference in revenue between the NBA and MLS is wide to say the least.

Again, all these things could and should happen but man will walk on Mars before there is a fully self funded NWSL youth academy system that is desperately needed.

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Anonymous wrote:Great points, but keeping players on the NT just to keep eyes on the product is a silly move and that's been the case. NT should field the best players that fit their model based on merit, not their followers on IG.

The negative nancy shooting down the potential of this doesn't understand that the US talent pool could theoretically produce 5 national teams that could qualifty for the world cup. Dual nats are already in fashion. Pick a country in Latino America or SE Asia and with some thought and energy boom national team full of american born girls if they so desired. This is without development academies. Small minds lead to minmal impacts

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Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

Umm… US Soccer recently promoted GA to the same level as MLS NWSL USWNT USMNT USL etc.

These are the same people that created Development Academy to address this issue 10 years ago.

They know we’re in trouble. Soon there’s going to be an NWSL Next equivalent for girls.

You still don't understand that this means what you hope or think it means. It is not lining up GA to be DA 2.0

US Soccer is out of the youth soccer business after being in it for 10 years.

NWSL is easily 20 years behind MLS at this point and is just not in a position financially or size wise to run a useful academy system.

If, NWSL clubs were interested in bringing HS age kids on board there is nothing stopping NWSL from scouting ECNL or GA events alongside colleges.

It is going to take a long time to both grow NWSL from the league that is half the size of MLS to the size of MLS while being financially able to fund both their own academies and the league.

Even MLSNext is little more than a pyramid scheme. Parents at SYC and other MLSNext clubs paying for your "pathway to pro" all the while your league fees are helping to fund the actual academies. DC United doesn't care what club you play for. It isn't necessary to play for any local MLSNext team. If you can make their academy team you can make the team. Everyone else in the league, you're funding MLS academies.

NWSL is a long ways from having that kind of system.

The other issue women's professional soccer has to contend with is Title 9. There are far more women's college programs than there are men's. Unlike men, women have a greater chance of playing in college versus men. The draw of leagues like ECNL understand this and attract large numbers of girls who are willing to pay for a relatively realistic chance at playing in college. Playing pro is not necessarily a part of the plan for girls. On the boys side, a pro path is almost necessary just to even be considered for top college programs due to the fewer college roster spots and the large international influx of players taking college spots.

If we are to take the next step NWSL need to scout ECNL and GA for youth players while making it worth their while to turn their back on college pathway. That will be a hard sell for most without big money behind it. League affiliation won't nor shouldn't matter during these early stages. NWSL has enough on its plate simply growing it's own league before it can just tack on a Academy system.

So, SYC/GA dad, while some of the things you hope will happen, should in some form happen, but unless you are expecting a newborn currently there isn't a single child of a parent in this thread who's kids will ever benefit from such a system. It is 10-20 years off.

Yeah thanks for the monologue, duh! You missed that fact that GA will be the path of development because there are not current pro-pathways. But if you are not given the chance to improve and train like a professional there is absolutely no chance because of narrow male viewpoints like yours. If you can't see it of course you won't believe in it, like a religion, stick to yours ECNL. I'll stick to mine, which is not GA its Development

I never mentioned ECNL as a pathway beyond college. College is the draw not professional soccer. There is no money in it either to earn or to spend on the development and infrastructure necessary. There are not even enough teams in NWSL for the size of our country. Look at a map and tell me how a league already strapped for cash can create a useful academy system that serves the nation?

https://sportleaguemaps.com/soccer/north-america/nwsl/

If your kid doesn't make Spirit's academy are you going to move to North Carolina or Florida so your kid can earn $35k a year?

Why not?
Many unhappy, depressed, mentally unhealthy people are making more than $135K a year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

Umm… US Soccer recently promoted GA to the same level as MLS NWSL USWNT USMNT USL etc.

These are the same people that created Development Academy to address this issue 10 years ago.

They know we’re in trouble. Soon there’s going to be an NWSL Next equivalent for girls.

You still don't understand that this means what you hope or think it means. It is not lining up GA to be DA 2.0

US Soccer is out of the youth soccer business after being in it for 10 years.

NWSL is easily 20 years behind MLS at this point and is just not in a position financially or size wise to run a useful academy system.

If, NWSL clubs were interested in bringing HS age kids on board there is nothing stopping NWSL from scouting ECNL or GA events alongside colleges.

It is going to take a long time to both grow NWSL from the league that is half the size of MLS to the size of MLS while being financially able to fund both their own academies and the league.

Even MLSNext is little more than a pyramid scheme. Parents at SYC and other MLSNext clubs paying for your "pathway to pro" all the while your league fees are helping to fund the actual academies. DC United doesn't care what club you play for. It isn't necessary to play for any local MLSNext team. If you can make their academy team you can make the team. Everyone else in the league, you're funding MLS academies.

NWSL is a long ways from having that kind of system.

The other issue women's professional soccer has to contend with is Title 9. There are far more women's college programs than there are men's. Unlike men, women have a greater chance of playing in college versus men. The draw of leagues like ECNL understand this and attract large numbers of girls who are willing to pay for a relatively realistic chance at playing in college. Playing pro is not necessarily a part of the plan for girls. On the boys side, a pro path is almost necessary just to even be considered for top college programs due to the fewer college roster spots and the large international influx of players taking college spots.

If we are to take the next step NWSL need to scout ECNL and GA for youth players while making it worth their while to turn their back on college pathway. That will be a hard sell for most without big money behind it. League affiliation won't nor shouldn't matter during these early stages. NWSL has enough on its plate simply growing it's own league before it can just tack on a Academy system.

So, SYC/GA dad, while some of the things you hope will happen, should in some form happen, but unless you are expecting a newborn currently there isn't a single child of a parent in this thread who's kids will ever benefit from such a system. It is 10-20 years off.

Yeah thanks for the monologue, duh! You missed that fact that GA will be the path of development because there are not current pro-pathways. But if you are not given the chance to improve and train like a professional there is absolutely no chance because of narrow male viewpoints like yours. If you can't see it of course you won't believe in it, like a religion, stick to yours ECNL. I'll stick to mine, which is not GA its Development

I never mentioned ECNL as a pathway beyond college. College is the draw not professional soccer. There is no money in it either to earn or to spend on the development and infrastructure necessary. There are not even enough teams in NWSL for the size of our country. Look at a map and tell me how a league already strapped for cash can create a useful academy system that serves the nation?

https://sportleaguemaps.com/soccer/north-america/nwsl/

If your kid doesn't make Spirit's academy are you going to move to North Carolina or Florida so your kid can earn $35k a year?

Why not?
Many unhappy, depressed, mentally unhealthy people are making more than $135K a year

If we're talking about NWSL salaries, drop the 1 from the 135. The fact that you think there is a 1 there shows how terrible pay is for those players.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great points, but keeping players on the NT just to keep eyes on the product is a silly move and that's been the case. NT should field the best players that fit their model based on merit, not their followers on IG.

The negative nancy shooting down the potential of this doesn't understand that the US talent pool could theoretically produce 5 national teams that could qualifty for the world cup. Dual nats are already in fashion. Pick a country in Latino America or SE Asia and with some thought and energy boom national team full of american born girls if they so desired. This is without development academies. Small minds lead to minmal impacts

Potential is everywhere. Just because there is potential doesn't mean it will be realized.

I believe some form of professional academy system will happen, but such a system will not happen in time for anyone's kids who is reading this thread. It just isn't and all your hopium isn't going to conjure a girls professional academy system next year just because SYC is in GA.

NWSL is not even popular enough to have 20 teams and you want a fleshed out academy system? How about NWSL just focus on making their league popular and viable and grow at its pace. Currently they get to draft players out of college for free. That's a price point that is hard to beat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great points, but keeping players on the NT just to keep eyes on the product is a silly move and that's been the case. NT should field the best players that fit their model based on merit, not their followers on IG.

The negative nancy shooting down the potential of this doesn't understand that the US talent pool could theoretically produce 5 national teams that could qualifty for the world cup. Dual nats are already in fashion. Pick a country in Latino America or SE Asia and with some thought and energy boom national team full of american born girls if they so desired. This is without development academies. Small minds lead to minmal impacts

Potential is everywhere. Just because there is potential doesn't mean it will be realized.

I believe some form of professional academy system will happen, but such a system will not happen in time for anyone's kids who is reading this thread. It just isn't and all your hopium isn't going to conjure a girls professional academy system next year just because SYC is in GA.

NWSL is not even popular enough to have 20 teams and you want a fleshed out academy system? How about NWSL just focus on making their league popular and viable and grow at its pace. Currently they get to draft players out of college for free. That's a price point that is hard to beat.

SYC is so irrelevent to this debate you must be a McBrave worrier. Back to the topic, How does USWNT not lose to Mexico and other burgeoning programs, invest in talent through development not competitions that only attract high level players banging their feet against each other. Development will attract serious high level players, and the level will rise with time, but in the next 5 years (I'll take under, you can take over) there will be a development pipeline for girls to become professional

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Anonymous wrote:Great points, but keeping players on the NT just to keep eyes on the product is a silly move and that's been the case. NT should field the best players that fit their model based on merit, not their followers on IG.

The negative nancy shooting down the potential of this doesn't understand that the US talent pool could theoretically produce 5 national teams that could qualifty for the world cup. Dual nats are already in fashion. Pick a country in Latino America or SE Asia and with some thought and energy boom national team full of american born girls if they so desired. This is without development academies. Small minds lead to minmal impacts

Potential is everywhere. Just because there is potential doesn't mean it will be realized.

I believe some form of professional academy system will happen, but such a system will not happen in time for anyone's kids who is reading this thread. It just isn't and all your hopium isn't going to conjure a girls professional academy system next year just because SYC is in GA.

NWSL is not even popular enough to have 20 teams and you want a fleshed out academy system? How about NWSL just focus on making their league popular and viable and grow at its pace. Currently they get to draft players out of college for free. That's a price point that is hard to beat.

SYC is so irrelevent to this debate you must be a McBrave worrier. Back to the topic, How does USWNT not lose to Mexico and other burgeoning programs, invest in talent through development not competitions that only attract high level players banging their feet against each other. Development will attract serious high level players, and the level will rise with time, but in the next 5 years (I'll take under, you can take over) there will be a development pipeline for girls to become professional

Look at a map of the United States. Now look at a map of NWSL teams. A pipeline to the pros would have to be residential unless you're just forgetting about half the country. Do you the the NWSL has the money for that or the desire to do it when they can just let clubs and colleges provide them with talent at no cost? US soccer may want it, but US soccer does not have the resources to underwrite. MLS academies are just starting to be serious enterprises, but 1) MLS is much better funded than NWSL and 2) MLS clubs are paid if and when the players to produce go to Europe

[Anonymous]

Women/girls aren't excluded from solidarity or transfer fees. I don't see the 2023 report but in 2019 youth clubs got paid for solidarity.

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/fifa-women-s-world-cup-club-solidarity-fund-2019.pdf?cloudid=ipxbzeckzjfosu9n1zeh

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Anonymous wrote:Women/girls aren't excluded from solidarity or transfer fees. I don't see the 2023 report but in 2019 youth clubs got paid for solidarity.

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/fifa-women-s-world-cup-club-solidarity-fund-2019.pdf?cloudid=ipxbzeckzjfosu9n1zeh

How much are fees for good male talent? How much are fees for good female talent?

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Anonymous wrote:Great points, but keeping players on the NT just to keep eyes on the product is a silly move and that's been the case. NT should field the best players that fit their model based on merit, not their followers on IG.

The negative nancy shooting down the potential of this doesn't understand that the US talent pool could theoretically produce 5 national teams that could qualifty for the world cup. Dual nats are already in fashion. Pick a country in Latino America or SE Asia and with some thought and energy boom national team full of american born girls if they so desired. This is without development academies. Small minds lead to minmal impacts

No not really. The system the US has does not develop talent like that coming out of Europe or the rest of the world. Look at the last World Cup and tell how many players were developed in the US? How many were in the knock round? Not many. I think at one point it was 2 out of 128 players. Spain had their second team at the World Cup and would have destroyed the US.

I do not think you see the problem. The 2023 USWNT was a better vs 2015 and 2019 USWNT. The 2023 team would have easily won the World Cup in 2011, 2015 and 2019. The game has moved on. It is no longer just about being athletic and fast. You need good soccer players who are athletic and fast. The US players have trouble putting three passes together.

The US system does not develop or select technical players who can carve up a defense, break up opposing offensives and dominate the midfield. Think Kevin De Bruyne or Aitana Bonmatí. The US system actually drives these type of players out of the game. I have seen it many many times.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL destroyed the youth soccer landscape and is now a domino effect on the NL. ECNL blew up the HS recruiting and ODP program.

ODP should be the only route to USWNT.

But now ODP is a shell of itself. It's just pay to play 2.0 nowadays.

True, but it doesn’t have to be that way. In terms of developing player, the European model is not the only way. What are they doing in Brazil and Argentina?

Sending kids to develop in Europe?

Yep. There is a side by side comparison of a Spanish player vs a US player from u17 to present. The Spanish player was at Barca at 19 playing in their system, under great coaches, playing against top talent at practice and in games, playing in Champions league games with 90,000 people, etc. The US player was in college soccer.

That's BS. The top American 19 years olds are playing in Europe

Name the 19 year old American women players who are in Europe. There are on two players on the USWNT that play in Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL destroyed the youth soccer landscape and is now a domino effect on the NL. ECNL blew up the HS recruiting and ODP program.

ODP should be the only route to USWNT.

But now ODP is a shell of itself. It's just pay to play 2.0 nowadays.

True, but it doesn’t have to be that way. In terms of developing player, the European model is not the only way. What are they doing in Brazil and Argentina?

Sending kids to develop in Europe?

Yep. There is a side by side comparison of a Spanish player vs a US player from u17 to present. The Spanish player was at Barca at 19 playing in their system, under great coaches, playing against top talent at practice and in games, playing in Champions league games with 90,000 people, etc. The US player was in college soccer.

That's BS. The top American 19 years olds are playing in Europe

Name the 19 year old American women players who are in Europe. There are on two players on the USWNT that play in Europe.

Only two? Are you forgetting Mia Fishel? Or even a young Lily Yohannes who is only 16 and plays for Ajax?

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL destroyed the youth soccer landscape and is now a domino effect on the NL. ECNL blew up the HS recruiting and ODP program.

ODP should be the only route to USWNT.

But now ODP is a shell of itself. It's just pay to play 2.0 nowadays.

True, but it doesn’t have to be that way. In terms of developing player, the European model is not the only way. What are they doing in Brazil and Argentina?

Sending kids to develop in Europe?

Yep. There is a side by side comparison of a Spanish player vs a US player from u17 to present. The Spanish player was at Barca at 19 playing in their system, under great coaches, playing against top talent at practice and in games, playing in Champions league games with 90,000 people, etc. The US player was in college soccer.

That's BS. The top American 19 years olds are playing in Europe

Name the 19 year old American women players who are in Europe. There are on two players on the USWNT that play in Europe.

Only two? Are you forgetting Mia Fishel? Or even a young Lily Yohannes who is only 16 and plays for Ajax?

Lily doesn’t play for usynt, went to multiple camps, was told she didn’t fit the “athletic” category. Made Ajax, became a star, now on the path to getting a passport with Netherlands. Judging by how they performed last WC, they will be a strong unit.