USWNT loses 0-2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL destroyed the youth soccer landscape and is now a domino effect on the NL. ECNL blew up the HS recruiting and ODP program.

ODP should be the only route to USWNT.

But now ODP is a shell of itself. It's just pay to play 2.0 nowadays.

Yes and nobody in their right mind wants to hike all the way down to Fredericksburg every weekend...

[Anonymous]

Ashley Sanchez should troll everybody and just go play for Mexico.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All roads should lead to the national team. Single umbrella underneath the USSF, merit based pro/rel and everything aligned with FIFA rules.

How does that work when there is nothing preventing other people from forming leagues? Are you going to bar parents from forming rec leagues under other or no umbrellas? Will college coaches be forbidden from recruiting kids in leagues not sanctioned by USSF? For the overwhelming majority of kids playing soccer in the us, the road does not run to the national team. Even for elite players, roads run to college, not the national team. To be exceedingly generous, there are maybe 100 people contending to be on the national team at any one time. There are 10s of thousands of youth players. No sane system will focus on those few players at the expense of the majority, and if a system does, then expect a competing system focused on the majority to emerge

Under that model, the system will work and filter itself over time naturally. Are there going to be barriers of entry? Of course. But not like what's going on now. MLS needs isolation to function as it does. As do most other leagues that are closed with no real opportunity to get in the game and let the play do the talking.

Of course the national team isn't a place for everybody but it should be viewed as the very top of the landscape. Anywhere else in the world it's an absolute honor and privilege to wear the crest of one's country. But below that? There's plenty of opportunity to continue to play. The US, with a country as big as it is only has 94 pro men's clubs for a population of about 335 million people. So about 1 club for every 3.5 million or so. Brazil in comparison has 203 million people and 124 pro men's clubs. About 1 club for every 1.5 or so million people. There's room for growth here if done the right way, there's already so many clubs at the youth level and with more leagues getting D1 status from USSF we see it's growing. Just need to also make sure that things are aligned and working together, not competing against each other.

Why? Competition is what makes leagues responsive to customers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All roads should lead to the national team. Single umbrella underneath the USSF, merit based pro/rel and everything aligned with FIFA rules.

How does that work when there is nothing preventing other people from forming leagues? Are you going to bar parents from forming rec leagues under other or no umbrellas? Will college coaches be forbidden from recruiting kids in leagues not sanctioned by USSF? For the overwhelming majority of kids playing soccer in the us, the road does not run to the national team. Even for elite players, roads run to college, not the national team. To be exceedingly generous, there are maybe 100 people contending to be on the national team at any one time. There are 10s of thousands of youth players. No sane system will focus on those few players at the expense of the majority, and if a system does, then expect a competing system focused on the majority to emerge

Under that model, the system will work and filter itself over time naturally. Are there going to be barriers of entry? Of course. But not like what's going on now. MLS needs isolation to function as it does. As do most other leagues that are closed with no real opportunity to get in the game and let the play do the talking.

Of course the national team isn't a place for everybody but it should be viewed as the very top of the landscape. Anywhere else in the world it's an absolute honor and privilege to wear the crest of one's country. But below that? There's plenty of opportunity to continue to play. The US, with a country as big as it is only has 94 pro men's clubs for a population of about 335 million people. So about 1 club for every 3.5 million or so. Brazil in comparison has 203 million people and 124 pro men's clubs. About 1 club for every 1.5 or so million people. There's room for growth here if done the right way, there's already so many clubs at the youth level and with more leagues getting D1 status from USSF we see it's growing. Just need to also make sure that things are aligned and working together, not competing against each other.

Considering the relative popularity of soccer in both countries, that's great that gap is so close

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

Umm… US Soccer recently promoted GA to the same level as MLS NWSL USWNT USMNT USL etc.

These are the same people that created Development Academy to address this issue 10 years ago.

They know we’re in trouble. Soon there’s going to be an NWSL Next equivalent for girls.

You still don't understand that this means what you hope or think it means. It is not lining up GA to be DA 2.0

US Soccer is out of the youth soccer business after being in it for 10 years.

NWSL is easily 20 years behind MLS at this point and is just not in a position financially or size wise to run a useful academy system.

If, NWSL clubs were interested in bringing HS age kids on board there is nothing stopping NWSL from scouting ECNL or GA events alongside colleges.

It is going to take a long time to both grow NWSL from the league that is half the size of MLS to the size of MLS while being financially able to fund both their own academies and the league.

Even MLSNext is little more than a pyramid scheme. Parents at SYC and other MLSNext clubs paying for your "pathway to pro" all the while your league fees are helping to fund the actual academies. DC United doesn't care what club you play for. It isn't necessary to play for any local MLSNext team. If you can make their academy team you can make the team. Everyone else in the league, you're funding MLS academies.

NWSL is a long ways from having that kind of system.

The other issue women's professional soccer has to contend with is Title 9. There are far more women's college programs than there are men's. Unlike men, women have a greater chance of playing in college versus men. The draw of leagues like ECNL understand this and attract large numbers of girls who are willing to pay for a relatively realistic chance at playing in college. Playing pro is not necessarily a part of the plan for girls. On the boys side, a pro path is almost necessary just to even be considered for top college programs due to the fewer college roster spots and the large international influx of players taking college spots.

If we are to take the next step NWSL need to scout ECNL and GA for youth players while making it worth their while to turn their back on college pathway. That will be a hard sell for most without big money behind it. League affiliation won't nor shouldn't matter during these early stages. NWSL has enough on its plate simply growing it's own league before it can just tack on a Academy system.

So, SYC/GA dad, while some of the things you hope will happen, should in some form happen, but unless you are expecting a newborn currently there isn't a single child of a parent in this thread who's kids will ever benefit from such a system. It is 10-20 years off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All roads should lead to the national team. Single umbrella underneath the USSF, merit based pro/rel and everything aligned with FIFA rules.

How does that work when there is nothing preventing other people from forming leagues? Are you going to bar parents from forming rec leagues under other or no umbrellas? Will college coaches be forbidden from recruiting kids in leagues not sanctioned by USSF? For the overwhelming majority of kids playing soccer in the us, the road does not run to the national team. Even for elite players, roads run to college, not the national team. To be exceedingly generous, there are maybe 100 people contending to be on the national team at any one time. There are 10s of thousands of youth players. No sane system will focus on those few players at the expense of the majority, and if a system does, then expect a competing system focused on the majority to emerge

Under that model, the system will work and filter itself over time naturally. Are there going to be barriers of entry? Of course. But not like what's going on now. MLS needs isolation to function as it does. As do most other leagues that are closed with no real opportunity to get in the game and let the play do the talking.

Of course the national team isn't a place for everybody but it should be viewed as the very top of the landscape. Anywhere else in the world it's an absolute honor and privilege to wear the crest of one's country. But below that? There's plenty of opportunity to continue to play. The US, with a country as big as it is only has 94 pro men's clubs for a population of about 335 million people. So about 1 club for every 3.5 million or so. Brazil in comparison has 203 million people and 124 pro men's clubs. About 1 club for every 1.5 or so million people. There's room for growth here if done the right way, there's already so many clubs at the youth level and with more leagues getting D1 status from USSF we see it's growing. Just need to also make sure that things are aligned and working together, not competing against each other.

Why? Competition is what makes leagues responsive to customers

The competition would be in the pro/rel portion. Obviously the cream would rise to the top naturally. Some clubs would be okay somewhere in the pecking order but some also would want to rise through the ranks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All roads should lead to the national team. Single umbrella underneath the USSF, merit based pro/rel and everything aligned with FIFA rules.

How does that work when there is nothing preventing other people from forming leagues? Are you going to bar parents from forming rec leagues under other or no umbrellas? Will college coaches be forbidden from recruiting kids in leagues not sanctioned by USSF? For the overwhelming majority of kids playing soccer in the us, the road does not run to the national team. Even for elite players, roads run to college, not the national team. To be exceedingly generous, there are maybe 100 people contending to be on the national team at any one time. There are 10s of thousands of youth players. No sane system will focus on those few players at the expense of the majority, and if a system does, then expect a competing system focused on the majority to emerge

Under that model, the system will work and filter itself over time naturally. Are there going to be barriers of entry? Of course. But not like what's going on now. MLS needs isolation to function as it does. As do most other leagues that are closed with no real opportunity to get in the game and let the play do the talking.

Of course the national team isn't a place for everybody but it should be viewed as the very top of the landscape. Anywhere else in the world it's an absolute honor and privilege to wear the crest of one's country. But below that? There's plenty of opportunity to continue to play. The US, with a country as big as it is only has 94 pro men's clubs for a population of about 335 million people. So about 1 club for every 3.5 million or so. Brazil in comparison has 203 million people and 124 pro men's clubs. About 1 club for every 1.5 or so million people. There's room for growth here if done the right way, there's already so many clubs at the youth level and with more leagues getting D1 status from USSF we see it's growing. Just need to also make sure that things are aligned and working together, not competing against each other.

Considering the relative popularity of soccer in both countries, that's great that gap is so close

Glad someone sees the silver lining in that. I'm hopeful for soccer here but it is probably 2-3 decades away from being where it needs to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

Umm… US Soccer recently promoted GA to the same level as MLS NWSL USWNT USMNT USL etc.

These are the same people that created Development Academy to address this issue 10 years ago.

They know we’re in trouble. Soon there’s going to be an NWSL Next equivalent for girls.

So, SYC/GA dad, while some of the things you hope will happen, should in some form happen, but unless you are expecting a newborn currently there isn't a single child of a parent in this thread who's kids will ever benefit from such a system. It is 10-20 years off.

Bla bla bla...

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule and take all the MLS Next paperwork and scratch out MLSN and replace it with GA.

NWSL could complely upend the youth soccer market overnight if they wanted to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

Umm… US Soccer recently promoted GA to the same level as MLS NWSL USWNT USMNT USL etc.

These are the same people that created Development Academy to address this issue 10 years ago.

They know we’re in trouble. Soon there’s going to be an NWSL Next equivalent for girls.

So, SYC/GA dad, while some of the things you hope will happen, should in some form happen, but unless you are expecting a newborn currently there isn't a single child of a parent in this thread who's kids will ever benefit from such a system. It is 10-20 years off.

Bla bla bla...

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule and take all the MLS Next paperwork and scratch out MLSN and replace it with GA.

NWSL could complely upend the youth soccer market overnight if they wanted to.

Why would they want to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All roads should lead to the national team. Single umbrella underneath the USSF, merit based pro/rel and everything aligned with FIFA rules.

How does that work when there is nothing preventing other people from forming leagues? Are you going to bar parents from forming rec leagues under other or no umbrellas? Will college coaches be forbidden from recruiting kids in leagues not sanctioned by USSF? For the overwhelming majority of kids playing soccer in the us, the road does not run to the national team. Even for elite players, roads run to college, not the national team. To be exceedingly generous, there are maybe 100 people contending to be on the national team at any one time. There are 10s of thousands of youth players. No sane system will focus on those few players at the expense of the majority, and if a system does, then expect a competing system focused on the majority to emerge

Under that model, the system will work and filter itself over time naturally. Are there going to be barriers of entry? Of course. But not like what's going on now. MLS needs isolation to function as it does. As do most other leagues that are closed with no real opportunity to get in the game and let the play do the talking.

Of course the national team isn't a place for everybody but it should be viewed as the very top of the landscape. Anywhere else in the world it's an absolute honor and privilege to wear the crest of one's country. But below that? There's plenty of opportunity to continue to play. The US, with a country as big as it is only has 94 pro men's clubs for a population of about 335 million people. So about 1 club for every 3.5 million or so. Brazil in comparison has 203 million people and 124 pro men's clubs. About 1 club for every 1.5 or so million people. There's room for growth here if done the right way, there's already so many clubs at the youth level and with more leagues getting D1 status from USSF we see it's growing. Just need to also make sure that things are aligned and working together, not competing against each other.

Why? Competition is what makes leagues responsive to customers

The competition would be in the pro/rel portion. Obviously the cream would rise to the top naturally. Some clubs would be okay somewhere in the pecking order but some also would want to rise through the ranks.

Yes this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

Umm… US Soccer recently promoted GA to the same level as MLS NWSL USWNT USMNT USL etc.

These are the same people that created Development Academy to address this issue 10 years ago.

They know we’re in trouble. Soon there’s going to be an NWSL Next equivalent for girls.

So, SYC/GA dad, while some of the things you hope will happen, should in some form happen, but unless you are expecting a newborn currently there isn't a single child of a parent in this thread who's kids will ever benefit from such a system. It is 10-20 years off.

Bla bla bla...

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule and take all the MLS Next paperwork and scratch out MLSN and replace it with GA.

NWSL could complely upend the youth soccer market overnight if they wanted to.

Why would they want to?

The same reasons MLS runs MLSn. They need a place to play their 2nd teams and they want to lock down talent at young ages.

[Anonymous]

The premise of ECNL is the best girls playing against the best. But for whatever reason, that’s not translating to success at the national level. Personally, I think there’s probably not enough turnover on those teams. Some kids get cut, but it’s awfully hard to make it on those teams after a certain age. That’s leaving better talent off.

Perhaps ECNL shouldn’t start so young?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The premise of ECNL is the best girls playing against the best. But for whatever reason, that’s not translating to success at the national level. Personally, I think there’s probably not enough turnover on those teams. Some kids get cut, but it’s awfully hard to make it on those teams after a certain age. That’s leaving better talent off.

Perhaps ECNL shouldn’t start so young?

Best girls against the best that fits their model of showcasing for colleges. When is the last time anybody here has watched a college game and felt like it was on a level that matched international play? It doesn't. Doesn't even mirror FIFA rules, often just looks like ECNL+MAXWhatever you want to call it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

Umm… US Soccer recently promoted GA to the same level as MLS NWSL USWNT USMNT USL etc.

These are the same people that created Development Academy to address this issue 10 years ago.

They know we’re in trouble. Soon there’s going to be an NWSL Next equivalent for girls.

You still don't understand that this means what you hope or think it means. It is not lining up GA to be DA 2.0

US Soccer is out of the youth soccer business after being in it for 10 years.

NWSL is easily 20 years behind MLS at this point and is just not in a position financially or size wise to run a useful academy system.

If, NWSL clubs were interested in bringing HS age kids on board there is nothing stopping NWSL from scouting ECNL or GA events alongside colleges.

It is going to take a long time to both grow NWSL from the league that is half the size of MLS to the size of MLS while being financially able to fund both their own academies and the league.

Even MLSNext is little more than a pyramid scheme. Parents at SYC and other MLSNext clubs paying for your "pathway to pro" all the while your league fees are helping to fund the actual academies. DC United doesn't care what club you play for. It isn't necessary to play for any local MLSNext team. If you can make their academy team you can make the team. Everyone else in the league, you're funding MLS academies.

NWSL is a long ways from having that kind of system.

The other issue women's professional soccer has to contend with is Title 9. There are far more women's college programs than there are men's. Unlike men, women have a greater chance of playing in college versus men. The draw of leagues like ECNL understand this and attract large numbers of girls who are willing to pay for a relatively realistic chance at playing in college. Playing pro is not necessarily a part of the plan for girls. On the boys side, a pro path is almost necessary just to even be considered for top college programs due to the fewer college roster spots and the large international influx of players taking college spots.

If we are to take the next step NWSL need to scout ECNL and GA for youth players while making it worth their while to turn their back on college pathway. That will be a hard sell for most without big money behind it. League affiliation won't nor shouldn't matter during these early stages. NWSL has enough on its plate simply growing it's own league before it can just tack on a Academy system.

So, SYC/GA dad, while some of the things you hope will happen, should in some form happen, but unless you are expecting a newborn currently there isn't a single child of a parent in this thread who's kids will ever benefit from such a system. It is 10-20 years off.

Yeah thanks for the monologue, duh! You missed that fact that GA will be the path of development because there are not current pro-pathways. But if you are not given the chance to improve and train like a professional there is absolutely no chance because of narrow male viewpoints like yours. If you can't see it of course you won't believe in it, like a religion, stick to yours ECNL. I'll stick to mine, which is not GA its Development

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at how crazy the Youth Travel programs are locally. Not development, win at all cost. The end result is all the clubs are blowing up because everyone is seeking ECNL or top league play but nobody is truly qualified for it. When you have a group of national players who are all about how many goals they score individually, you don't win games. PERIOD. The style of play in the US has descended into chaos and will only get worse with the current USYNT leadership.

Yes, and also look at all the new young talent in the USWNT, specifially this selection, the following players did not go to college or left early to go pro, I might miss one:

Horan (not young but first notable player to forgo college to go pro)
Shaw
Rodman
Smith
Moultrie
Albert
Fishel
Swanson
Thompson

ECNL again is the elite option for college, but a failing model for international soccer success and long term skill development because coaches are too powerful and play for results. Girls need pro-pathways ASAP! GA are you paying attention, this is a market inefficiency waiting for a league to create pro-pathways

Umm… US Soccer recently promoted GA to the same level as MLS NWSL USWNT USMNT USL etc.

These are the same people that created Development Academy to address this issue 10 years ago.

They know we’re in trouble. Soon there’s going to be an NWSL Next equivalent for girls.

So, SYC/GA dad, while some of the things you hope will happen, should in some form happen, but unless you are expecting a newborn currently there isn't a single child of a parent in this thread who's kids will ever benefit from such a system. It is 10-20 years off.

Bla bla bla...

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule and take all the MLS Next paperwork and scratch out MLSN and replace it with GA.

NWSL could complely upend the youth soccer market overnight if they wanted to.

How many NWSL teams are there compared to MLS? How many of them have their own stadium? NWSL just isn't currently in a situation financially or logistically to create an academy system right away just because SYC got GA. And yes, they scored a lucrative TV contract, thats great but that money will be reinvested into growing the league at the professional level. US Soccer has been footing NWSL's bill for years and that is not how a healthy domestic professional league should function.

It is more complex and more expensive than just "crossing out MLSNext and writing in GA" Even if NWSL wanted to create an extensive youth academy system and league it would be in their best interest to start where the players already are vs spending millions trying to win players over to their league.

I think you miscalculate how driven girls are with playing professionally and real economic viability of that venture. Our best players are heading to Europe on the men's and women's side because of quality and money, money that NWSL just doesn't have now nor will have in ten or twenty years.

It just will not happen in time for anyone reading this now. Should it happen? Yes, but it is a long way down the road and it will take more failure at the National level to open people's eyes. But with failure comes less eyeballs on the product, less eyeballs on the NT product equals less interest by little girls.