Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

Nope, many of us understand basic human rights.

Like I’ve been in a situation where I had to respect freedom of speech for white supremacists.

I took the bus as a teen from school late after practice and you sit close to the driver and there are crazy people on the bus all.the.time.

I get into my car in a parking lot late at night and while I’d love to shoot every male that makes me feel uncomfortable I can’t because… basic human right.

I actually think it’s people who never leave their house who think this is so wildly out of control that a homeless person is loud.

How many of those males who make you feel uncomfortable are screaming at you, throwing trash at you and generally threatening assault? Or do men make you feel uncomfortable simply by existing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

This particular homeless person had previously attacked three different women unprovoked and had a warrant for one of them. This particular homeless person did not just yell at people and scare them, he hurt people.

No he did not hurt anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

Nope, many of us understand basic human rights.

Like I’ve been in a situation where I had to respect freedom of speech for white supremacists.

I took the bus as a teen from school late after practice and you sit close to the driver and there are crazy people on the bus all.the.time.

I get into my car in a parking lot late at night and while I’d love to shoot every male that makes me feel uncomfortable I can’t because… basic human right.

I actually think it’s people who never leave their house who think this is so wildly out of control that a homeless person is loud.

How many of those males who make you feel uncomfortable are screaming at you, throwing trash at you and generally threatening assault? Or do men make you feel uncomfortable simply by existing?

Sometime they hit on me, and since I know men can get violent when turned down I feel very threatened.

I think any man walking towards me in a dark garage is a threat.

I’ve had guys yell at me when I don’t want them to buy me a drink.

Do all homeless people make you feel uncomfortable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

This particular homeless person had previously attacked three different women unprovoked and had a warrant for one of them. This particular homeless person did not just yell at people and scare them, he hurt people.

No he did not hurt anyone.

If you read all of the statements from his family, they are sad at his end and upset that he was not being medically treated. But they are all unsurprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

This particular homeless person had previously attacked three different women unprovoked and had a warrant for one of them. This particular homeless person did not just yell at people and scare them, he hurt people.

No he did not hurt anyone.

If you read all of the statements from his family, they are sad at his end and upset that he was not being medically treated. But they are all unsurprised.

Still can murder him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberal here, I'd be inclined NOT to charge the Marine. Unless he is an expert in choke holds and subduing people - like, you know, the police should be - if he was just trying to subdue Neely and there was no intent to kill, I would not charge.
It is true that the passengers didn't know Neely's intent nor his record. However, If the marine - and others, the people who helped him - preceived danger, that is not an unreasonable defense given Neely's pattern of past behavior. When he actually WAS a danger to at least the lady he punched in the face.

I do not want to be on a train in need of help and everyone is afraid to help me because they could end up getting charged.

Being a liberal I’m guessing you’re not expert on criminal law or police procedures.

You can’t kill someone’s because you perceive danger. That would mean every woman getting in her car late at night in a garage who sees a men there could kill him, because she “perceives” danger.

The person must actually do something dangerous and have the ability to carry out the dangerous act.

You don’t need help on a train simply because a man is yelling.

You can’t simply kill a man because 18 months ago he was dangerous.

You are clearly not an expert on criminal law or procedure either since you are also not laying out the correct standard. If a reasonable person would believe that an assault was imminent, it is permissible to defend yourself or others. You do not need to wait for the person to actually assault someone. I find it reasonable that this Marine engaged with the homeless guy after he was yelling aggressively, throwing garbage at people, and saying things like he wants to go to prison and he’s ready to die. To me, that signifies someone getting ready to do something. The 15 minute chokehold may be a different issue, but I have zero issue with the physical engagement.

You are clearly no even a Kindergarten level understanding of the “reasonable person” the person must have apprehension which is different than fear. The danger must be imminent.

Sadly I doubt I understand apprehension or imminent. Do you still won’t get it.

NP, but … did you have a stroke while writing this?

I’m not going to play anonymous lawyer v anonymous lawyer on the internet, but for someone in the middle of a criminal law D measuring contest, you seem really confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I looked at the CNN link above.
All those relatives of Neely who didn’t give a fig that he was homeless are suddenly oh so caring and want justice for him, and even went so far as to set up a gofundme! Nice cashing on his death. They should file a lawsuit against the subway! What a sick joke.

Tell me you don’t understand schizophrenia without telling me.

Many homeless people have homes that will take them in.

Many homeless vets have places they can stay and benefits they are too disorganized to file for.

Yeah, I don’t really care to “understand schizophrenia”. Only so much time in a day, and only so many years on earth. These people are a lost cause and should be locked away. Fed, clothed, kept reasonably comfortable, but that’s it. It’s unfortunate, but I care more about the rest of society—orderly, law abiding, functioning people—than affording these people so much latitude that they impose their misery on everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I looked at the CNN link above.
All those relatives of Neely who didn’t give a fig that he was homeless are suddenly oh so caring and want justice for him, and even went so far as to set up a gofundme! Nice cashing on his death. They should file a lawsuit against the subway! What a sick joke.

+1. They see $$$ ahead

At least the marine didn’t make him stick a cotton ball on his nose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

Nope, many of us understand basic human rights.

Like I’ve been in a situation where I had to respect freedom of speech for white supremacists.

I took the bus as a teen from school late after practice and you sit close to the driver and there are crazy people on the bus all.the.time.

I get into my car in a parking lot late at night and while I’d love to shoot every male that makes me feel uncomfortable I can’t because… basic human right.

I actually think it’s people who never leave their house who think this is so wildly out of control that a homeless person is loud.

How many of those males who make you feel uncomfortable are screaming at you, throwing trash at you and generally threatening assault? Or do men make you feel uncomfortable simply by existing?

Sometime they hit on me, and since I know men can get violent when turned down I feel very threatened.

I think any man walking towards me in a dark garage is a threat.

I’ve had guys yell at me when I don’t want them to buy me a drink.

Do all homeless people make you feel uncomfortable?

No, just the ones that verbally threaten me directly. To some extent it's my own fault because I can't help but stare when I see someone loudly talking to themself or walking around wrapped in table linens on a freezing cold morning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

Nope, many of us understand basic human rights.

Like I’ve been in a situation where I had to respect freedom of speech for white supremacists.

I took the bus as a teen from school late after practice and you sit close to the driver and there are crazy people on the bus all.the.time.

I get into my car in a parking lot late at night and while I’d love to shoot every male that makes me feel uncomfortable I can’t because… basic human right.

I actually think it’s people who never leave their house who think this is so wildly out of control that a homeless person is loud.

How many of those males who make you feel uncomfortable are screaming at you, throwing trash at you and generally threatening assault? Or do men make you feel uncomfortable simply by existing?

Sometime they hit on me, and since I know men can get violent when turned down I feel very threatened.

I think any man walking towards me in a dark garage is a threat.

I’ve had guys yell at me when I don’t want them to buy me a drink.

Do all homeless people make you feel uncomfortable?

Not at all. I talk to the homeless people in my DC neighborhood all the time.

I would gently suggest that if the three incidents you cite here bother you that much, you may want to get some counseling. These are nothing compared to what those people on the subway car experienced

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

This particular homeless person had previously attacked three different women unprovoked and had a warrant for one of them. This particular homeless person did not just yell at people and scare them, he hurt people.

On the day he was murdered he did none of that. He did nothing but yell about food and wanting to eat.

[Anonymous]

Everyone please stop conflating this crazy guy with homeless people in general. This guy was violent with a violent history. Those of us who have encountered people like him know the difference between him and homeless people. You're only showing your own bias or inexperience when you keep referring to him as the homeless or unhoused person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

This particular homeless person had previously attacked three different women unprovoked and had a warrant for one of them. This particular homeless person did not just yell at people and scare them, he hurt people.

On the day he was murdered he did none of that. He did nothing but yell about food and wanting to eat.

He said a little more than that.

But all these posters saying that homeless people yell but are otherwise harmless, it's not true. And maybe those people on that subway car knew something you don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

Nope, many of us understand basic human rights.

Like I’ve been in a situation where I had to respect freedom of speech for white supremacists.

I took the bus as a teen from school late after practice and you sit close to the driver and there are crazy people on the bus all.the.time.

I get into my car in a parking lot late at night and while I’d love to shoot every male that makes me feel uncomfortable I can’t because… basic human right.

I actually think it’s people who never leave their house who think this is so wildly out of control that a homeless person is loud.

How many of those males who make you feel uncomfortable are screaming at you, throwing trash at you and generally threatening assault? Or do men make you feel uncomfortable simply by existing?

Sometime they hit on me, and since I know men can get violent when turned down I feel very threatened.

I think any man walking towards me in a dark garage is a threat.

I’ve had guys yell at me when I don’t want them to buy me a drink.

Do all homeless people make you feel uncomfortable?

No, just the ones that verbally threaten me directly. To some extent it's my own fault because I can't help but stare when I see someone loudly talking to themself or walking around wrapped in table linens on a freezing cold morning.

Well this man just yelled he was hungry and threw his jacket on the floor so stare all you want but don’t murder him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel horrible feeling the way I do, but as someone who has been threatened by a crazy person on the train, on a bus, and just on the street, I don't feel much sympathy for this crazy person.

Question for the people who do have sympathy for this crazy person: have you ever been confronted by one and do you expect to likely be that situation again? I have and I do expect it will happen again.

My suspicion is that many of you live your lives insulated from those kinds of people. Maybe that makes you more objective than me. My feeling certainly comes from concerns over my own safety.

This particular homeless person had previously attacked three different women unprovoked and had a warrant for one of them. This particular homeless person did not just yell at people and scare them, he hurt people.

On the day he was murdered he did none of that. He did nothing but yell about food and wanting to eat.

This is objectively false.