Why do Rs hate the LGBTQ community?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with your premise, OP.
But, I do agree with what the person who wrote this said....

Leading up to Obergefell, we were assured that people who held to the historic and natural understanding of family would be left alone. How can redefining marriage possibly hurt you? Turns out, “live and let live” was a lie, and we said so at the time.

In the blink of an eye, the LGB movement grew to encompass half the alphabet and we got drag queen story hour, Christian bakers and florists being sued out of business, teachers transing children behind parents’ backs, and moms and dads losing custody of their kids for refusing to sterilize them.

Ten years later, the Skrmetti decision pushed back hard on the idea that sex is an irrelevant socially constructed concept and support for SSM has dropped notably including well below a majority for Republicans. Quite the anniversary.

Ridiculous! FFS nobody is transing your kid wtf that means.

Agree. PP what are you reading that makes you think this is somehow taking over society? Look around your everyday surroundings. Be honest. How often do you yourself actually experience these things? I’d guess never.

During Covid aka the height of this whole mania, easily 3/4 of the girls at my daughter’s elite all girls school decided they were boys. Pure social contagion
And thankfully by graduation the tides had turned.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

Agree.

All those flags and decorations passed around are uncomfortable for everyone- most teachers, parents and students. No need for that at school.

In Wash DC the large international population really finds this all stupid and unnecessary. And the math expectations too low. So two way swing in the misguided USA schools.
Those are to two comments we always hear at IMF, world bank, IfC, the neighborhood and soccer games.

The rest of the civilized world isn’t as religious as we are. In America, we’re not too far off from the time where we burned uppity women and picnicked at the feet of black men lynched by preachers wearing sheets.

are you kidding me?

2 billion Muslims, 1.4 billion Catholics, and 1 million Christians in the world disagree with you.
That’s way more than any religious segment in America.

Plus it’s only America and some other western EU countries having this gender affirmation identity issue and projecting it onto minors before, during and after puberty. As if that time period is t bad enough now your school wants to you consider a sex change to tell better!

England and some away countries have already outlawed hormones and surgeries for minors.

Do you even live in DC? Or in a cave?

You must be living in a cave. Study after study has shown that America clings to the juvenile comfort that is religion more than any other “free” nation, and that belief is used to ostracize, bully, drive to suicide, and outright kill gay and trans kids.

We are also toxic AF about what we expect from both boys and girls. Girly boys get bullied all the time. Boyish girls get told to smile and get shut out from jobs and opportunities.

As a nation, we’re a lot closer to the mores and culture of Iran than we are to Britain. (Iran, by the way, condones gender reassignment as a cure for homosexuality. People choose surgery over death). Maybe if gender was no longer a matter of life and death, people wouldn’t fight so hard to change their outward appearance.

Just a thought.

You’re suggesting people pretend to be trans when really they are scared to be female or gay?!

No. But I’m saying it’s a lot easier on you as a trans person in America if you can get medical treatment to “pass”. America is highly resistant to difference and people can’t keep their mouths shut or their fists to themselves.

The answer is to push society to accept wide ranges of gender expression not to convince kids they need to transform their bodies with surgery and hormones!

OP here. I can get behind this in terms of acceptance. I also accept that if a parent, child and doctor determine that hormones are needed, that is their right.

No, society has a prevailing interest in not allowing weak or depraved parents to mutilate their kids in collusion with greedy doctors. When FGM was illegalized, there were plenty of doctors performing it for the sake of profit. That didn't stop sane people from organizing and having both the parents and the doctors stopped.

+1 Parents shouldn’t override the best interest of the child and most experiencing gender dysphoria grow out of it naturally by adulthood.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

I am fine with teacher not hanging up posters. They can go in the hallway. Not needed in the classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

I am fine with teacher not hanging up posters. They can go in the hallway. Not needed in the classroom.

But that wasn't the point of the teacher's post. The point was about the people pressuring them to do so and even worse...then insinuating that they were MAGA or R for not giving in.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

The "pressure" is not made up. My kids witnessed it. Had nothing to do with anxiety. Just because your kids didn't witness any pressure doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Do you accuse the teacher who posted about the pressure of making it up too?

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

The "pressure" is not made up. My kids witnessed it. Had nothing to do with anxiety. Just because your kids didn't witness any pressure doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Do you accuse the teacher who posted about the pressure of making it up too?

Yup, I do.
There are a lot of anxious people around these parts.
A lot of people who feel like they’re owed something.
A lot of people who are intrenched in their identity, see Think Again by Adam Grant.
A lot of people who have scarcity-mindsets, see Carol Dweck.
A lot of people don’t have emotional fortitude and/or believe compassion is a weakness.

People can ask for a poster or anything. You can say no. If you feel like they think you’re racist of anti-LGBTQ, that’s on you. (See tons of work in CBT.) Personally, I think you probably are and rather than grow or learn, you double down because you’re afraid of admitting it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

The "pressure" is not made up. My kids witnessed it. Had nothing to do with anxiety. Just because your kids didn't witness any pressure doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Do you accuse the teacher who posted about the pressure of making it up too?

Yup, I do.
There are a lot of anxious people around these parts.
A lot of people who feel like they’re owed something.
A lot of people who are intrenched in their identity, see Think Again by Adam Grant.
A lot of people who have scarcity-mindsets, see Carol Dweck.
A lot of people don’t have emotional fortitude and/or believe compassion is a weakness.

People can ask for a poster or anything. You can say no. If you feel like they think you’re racist of anti-LGBTQ, that’s on you. (See tons of work in CBT.) Personally, I think you probably are and rather than grow or learn, you double down because you’re afraid of admitting it.

I applaud your devotion to self help books but I am still not voting for what you're selling.

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the far right Christian evangelicals, I think most Republicans are just fine with LGBQ folks. Gay marriage is an issue that has been resolved for some time. There are many gay Republicans and always have been. The issue is with the T. They think the normalization of gender fluidity among adolescents has been harmful for children. And they believe trans women competing against biological girls and women is inherently unfair. So too allowing biological males inside women's prisons, domestic abuse shelters, and so on. I'm not sure why Democrats are digging in on this issue. The vast majority of Americans are with Republicans on the issue of trans people in women's spaces.

Again - why is this even an issue to begin with? There’s a reason teachers don’t read books about periods, circulations, breast enhancements, anal cancer to 2nd graders. It just seems like a total lack of common sense.

Frankly I don’t care much about the T when it comes to all the issues you mention. No trans woman is going to rape a woman. Or rather the chances of that are far less than rape in general. People are making a big deal of something so minor. I am a Dem and I have two daughters. I am not worried at all about a trans woman competing against them. It is so so unlikely.

The only place a trans woman should be prohibited from competing is in the Olympics. It is unfair for a person who is biologically male to compete in female olympic athletic competitions. But college sports? Why not? There are so few gifted elite trans athletes that it is a non-issue, except to the Republicans who use it as a steel bat to hammer at the Democrats.

Why does anyone care? If you aren't trans, why does this matter to you? Does a trans person affect your life in any way?

If your kid is trans, so what? If they are happy, that's all that matters. It doesn't affect me, nor does it affect you.

NP. You are far out of step with the vast majority of Americans on this, and have the position that is unethical. It is not a winning issue for Democrats because your position here is morally and ethically wrong.

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I am a democrat, btw.

I have a gay son who has known he was gay since he was 11, and he never had any doubt. He’s gay.

My daughter was straight, went to college and met many, many people who are LGBTQ, especially bi. Also became immersed in lots of bisexual pop culture. She came out as bi, and even had a relationship with a girl for awhile. She is now in a relationship with a guy and no longer considers herself bi. This has been the same with several of her friends.

So, what I’m saying is that it is not a choice to be gay. But also, in many circles, it is definitely trendy right now to identify as LGBTQ so kids are convincing themselves of it. But also, college-aged kids experimenting with their sexuality is nothing new. They are just more open about it now.

Also, the more they see adults clutch their pearls about it, the more intrigued they become with it.

You’re welcome to believe that. You’re not welcome to teach that to other people’s children as a condition of their attending public school. Whether you agree or not, it’s a moral/religious question and schools are supposed to be teaching facts.

DP. What exactly is a moral or religious question here? All the PP is saying is that it's normal for gay people to exist-that is a fact.

Whether marriage is between a man and a woman
Whether people can be born into the wrong body
Whether people can choose their sex

And on and on.

All of these are moral and religious questions not science, and don’t belong in the classsroom.

The Maryland curriculum was not about “gays exist.” If you read up about the case, you would know this.

None of these are moral or religious questions, especially the first one. If you feel that these are, then you have no business sending your children to public schools and are thereby proving OP's point; Republicans hate, or a least are very uncomfortable with LGTQ+ people.

Disagreement isn’t hate, and yes, questions about sex and gender are inevitably moral. You’re being disingenuous denying the obvious.

Actually, it is. Perhaps you need to broaden your mind and learn what morality actually is and not what your religion tells you is moral.

No it isn’t. Pretending these issues surrounding sex and gender aren’t moral issues is simply a lie. We all know there are sensitive topics best left to the parents to introduce according to their own value system.

We live in a multicultural society and you’re going to have to learn to tolerate other people’s beliefs. If you want to raise your child in a pride focused home, go for it. But devout Muslims and Hindus don’t have to agree to that without being labeled haters.

You want to know why the tide has turned? Because the tolerance over the past five years only seemed to be going one way. The cake baker, Lia Thomas and this school opt out case ate all the samples.

To me, the practice of religion is a moral issue should be kept private. I don’t want to hear about your Easter, your Yom Kippur, your Eid, your Diwali, your any of it. I don’t want to hear about your church, your beliefs, or prayers, or any of the fairy tales you believe in. Keep your hate in your home. When you go out into civil society, you behave like a human.

I would be fine with this so long as you don’t teach children your fundamentalist beliefs in magical gender souls that can transmute themselves. Let’s keep all religions, including your fundamentalist gender religion, out of schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the far right Christian evangelicals, I think most Republicans are just fine with LGBQ folks. Gay marriage is an issue that has been resolved for some time. There are many gay Republicans and always have been. The issue is with the T. They think the normalization of gender fluidity among adolescents has been harmful for children. And they believe trans women competing against biological girls and women is inherently unfair. So too allowing biological males inside women's prisons, domestic abuse shelters, and so on. I'm not sure why Democrats are digging in on this issue. The vast majority of Americans are with Republicans on the issue of trans people in women's spaces.

Again - why is this even an issue to begin with? There’s a reason teachers don’t read books about periods, circulations, breast enhancements, anal cancer to 2nd graders. It just seems like a total lack of common sense.

Frankly I don’t care much about the T when it comes to all the issues you mention. No trans woman is going to rape a woman. Or rather the chances of that are far less than rape in general. People are making a big deal of something so minor. I am a Dem and I have two daughters. I am not worried at all about a trans woman competing against them. It is so so unlikely.

NP. Bizarre take, and not supported by rape statistics. This is wishful thinking, not reality.

Ma’am we’re going to need some receipts for this claim.

Which specific receipts? That trans women have in fact raped women? Or the statistics about the rate of rapists and sex offenders in the trans woman population versus the rest of the male population? Which would you like see?

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

Agree.

All those flags and decorations passed around are uncomfortable for everyone- most teachers, parents and students. No need for that at school.

In Wash DC the large international population really finds this all stupid and unnecessary. And the math expectations too low. So two way swing in the misguided USA schools.
Those are to two comments we always hear at IMF, world bank, IfC, the neighborhood and soccer games.

The rest of the civilized world isn’t as religious as we are. In America, we’re not too far off from the time where we burned uppity women and picnicked at the feet of black men lynched by preachers wearing sheets.

are you kidding me?

2 billion Muslims, 1.4 billion Catholics, and 1 million Christians in the world disagree with you.
That’s way more than any religious segment in America.

Plus it’s only America and some other western EU countries having this gender affirmation identity issue and projecting it onto minors before, during and after puberty. As if that time period is t bad enough now your school wants to you consider a sex change to tell better!

England and some away countries have already outlawed hormones and surgeries for minors.

Do you even live in DC? Or in a cave?

You must be living in a cave. Study after study has shown that America clings to the juvenile comfort that is religion more than any other “free” nation, and that belief is used to ostracize, bully, drive to suicide, and outright kill gay and trans kids.

We are also toxic AF about what we expect from both boys and girls. Girly boys get bullied all the time. Boyish girls get told to smile and get shut out from jobs and opportunities.

As a nation, we’re a lot closer to the mores and culture of Iran than we are to Britain. (Iran, by the way, condones gender reassignment as a cure for homosexuality. People choose surgery over death). Maybe if gender was no longer a matter of life and death, people wouldn’t fight so hard to change their outward appearance.

Just a thought.

You’re suggesting people pretend to be trans when really they are scared to be female or gay?!

No. But I’m saying it’s a lot easier on you as a trans person in America if you can get medical treatment to “pass”. America is highly resistant to difference and people can’t keep their mouths shut or their fists to themselves.

The answer is to push society to accept wide ranges of gender expression not to convince kids they need to transform their bodies with surgery and hormones!

OP here. I can get behind this in terms of acceptance. I also accept that if a parent, child and doctor determine that hormones are needed, that is their right.

“Vibes” doesn’t make up for the appalling lack of medical evidence for what you want to support doing to children, OP. Do you know anything about the lack of evidence for those treatments you feel so determined to have children get?

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They’re rabid about trans women, but seem oblivious to trans men.

Advocating shooting trans people in a bathroom is wild. Just know that people like that, and people who protest pride events are presumed to be self-hating queers. You’re not scary. You’re pitiful.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

I am fine with teacher not hanging up posters. They can go in the hallway. Not needed in the classroom.

But that wasn't the point of the teacher's post. The point was about the people pressuring them to do so and even worse...then insinuating that they were MAGA or R for not giving in.

My point is that everyone needs to take a step back and calm down. The extremists on both sides are making a mountain out of a molehill. That will start with turning off Fox News and all of the other highly partisan media.