
Valid argument....but you must understand the history of the gender identity progressive beliefs and the way it is being taught and pushed....that everyone must believe and support only the gender identity ideology of the extreme progressives. That's where things went sideways and we all lost common sense. The "popularization" and "trendiness" of the LGBTQ+ lifestyle....attempting to make it the norm. |
This isn’t about forcing beliefs. Sex ed isn’t just about bodies. It teaches kids not to shame or exclude others for being gay or trans. That’s part of preventing homophobia, no matter your personal or religious beliefs. You can believe what you want and teach your child your opinions at home. But when those beliefs are used to restrict education, that's when they can cause real harm. What exactly are you afraid of happening here? |
My kids are over 20+ yrs old now. I never opted them out of Sex Ed. One was friends with a trans kids in HS. I always taught them to not shame or exclude others. But the gender identity ideology/pronoun wave that thankfully started after they finished elementary school is what is at issue here. My DD is now a 2nd grade teacher and agrees that the gender identity ideology/pronoun focus should not be taught in ES - especially not younger grades. |
+1. Also, us members of the LGBTQ+ aren't fools. We do realize that if bigots curtail the rights of trans people, what's stoppi g them from going after the rights of the rest of lqb people? As evidenced by some of the replies in this thread, conservatives would be more than happy to curtial gay rights. |
What people don’t understand is that gender is not just whether you have a penis of a vagina. Gender is biological, but it has as much to do with brain structure as the physical aspects. It’s perfectly possible for someone to be born the “wrong” gender insofar as their mental outlook is no aligned with their genetalia. It’s not about accepting or supporting the Trans lifestyle - it’s about acknowledging biological reality. I see no reason why biological reality shouldn’t be taught in schools. |
But unfortunately, this is what it has come to...from both extreme sides. Explain this scenario to me....remembering that my DD was friends with trans kid in HS... I am driving my DD and her two friends somewhere (one of which is trans). The non-trans friend just got a puppy and was excited to share the news...she mentioned that the puppy was a boy and so was thinking of boy names. Nothing wrong right? The trans friend (instead of just going along with the conversation) then asked why it had to be a boy name...that its gender shouldn't matter. IMHO this is pushing/forcing your beliefs. When this happened, I remained silent. My DD was in the passenger seat next to me and just rolled her eyes. I was proud at the way in which my DD and and her non-trans friend responded...they simply changed the subject and that was that. But had the trans friend continued to push her gender ideology....I just might have had to speak up. Respect is a two way street. |
This complicated concept does not belong in Elementary School. There is biological gender sex (science), and there is gender identity (belief/feeling) that may or may not match biological gender sex. I believe that your gender identity at birth matches your biological sex at birth (male/female). Period. You are born a girl/boy, man/woman. You can have your beliefs and I can have mine. Just respect my beliefs and I'll respect yours. I do believe in gender dysphoria but I don't believe it is the "norm" and as prevalent as people seem to think it is. |
Education needs to be age-appropriate. Teaching six-year-old children that doctors guess a person's sex, there is such a thing as gendered soul (the wrong body BS), and other gender ideology is not appropriate. YOU teach that opinion to YOUR young child; leave ours out of it. |
This. +100 Gender Identity is what is at the core issue here....and it has nothing to do with being R or D, it has nothing to do with being religious. It is a pure belief system. I had twins...one a biological male and the other a biological female. They were born with the gender identity of boy and a girl because that is my belief. I brought them up as boy/girl. |
Reading a book with content you don't believe in isn't "teaching". If that is the bar we are setting any mention of an imaginary being does not belong in any book in school. |
The manipulative and discredited use of suicide in this way is so incredibly cynical. It is part of the reason that public support is dropping. This sort of casual and wildly inappropriate reference to a complex and delicate topic such as youth suicide is flatly evil. |
If you are saying that you believe gender ideology is as much of a fundamentalist religious belief system as creationism, I agree with you. I would be fine if gender ideology was taught as the one of the varied religious beliefs it is. Put it in a comparative religion class in high school: “There are people who believe that all humans have gender souls that exist apart from their body and that are more important than their physical body. They believe in the physical mortification of the body to demonstrate their adherence to those religious beliefs, in some cases permanently altering the bodies of children. This is a neoreligion that has always existed, but that only came into prominence globally from about the 1980s onward, when the availability of certain medical procedures became more widespread.” Etc. I would be fine with that. I am not at all fine teaching young children as fact that they have gender souls that can transmute them into a different identity. That’s state sponsorship of religious belief and it is not a religious belief I share. |
+1 |
OP here. Can you define what you mean by the “lifestyle”? People keep using this term and I have no clue what it means. |
But why does lgb have to get dragged into this ugliness? I know a lot of lg that say there is a civil war between lgb on the one hand, and t on the other hand, and that the t’s have got to go. It makes no sense to lump with lgb. |