Why do Rs hate the LGBTQ community?

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

But why does lgb have to get dragged into this ugliness? I know a lot of lg that say there is a civil war between lgb on the one hand, and t on the other hand, and that the t’s have got to go. It makes no sense to lump with lgb.

... You're asking a serious question as to why we cant just discriminate the Ts? Oh boy.

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

Schizophrenic, anorexic, bipolar, autistic people have always existed. Many of these people are unhappy. But school doesn't single these diseases out for special celebration and books just for them. What about their suffering?

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

Schizophrenic, anorexic, bipolar, autistic people have always existed. Many of these people are unhappy. But school doesn't single these diseases out for special celebration and books just for them. What about their suffering?

Exactly the point lgb make

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This thread has spoken for itself. The Rs hate LGBTQ people because they just do and theyre afraid of them for no good reason and a LOT of whataboutism. Bigotry is why.

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

But why does lgb have to get dragged into this ugliness? I know a lot of lg that say there is a civil war between lgb on the one hand, and t on the other hand, and that the t’s have got to go. It makes no sense to lump with lgb.

... You're asking a serious question as to why we cant just discriminate the Ts? Oh boy.

No, we are saying that sexual attraction has ZERO to do with trans identity.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has spoken for itself. The Rs hate LGBTQ people because they just do and theyre afraid of them for no good reason and a LOT of whataboutism. Bigotry is why.

Agree. These threads are so sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

But that is where you are wrong. When schools shut down during the pandemic and we, as parents, got to see what was being taught to our children through the diabolical Zoom school, we were in the classroom. And many parents were rightfully horrified, realizing it was worse than we even imagined.

FFS. Were you monitoring your kids all day, and how often are teachers focusing on LGBT issues? Also, this thread started out talking about HS. And then some mythical Muslim you wanted to protect (then deport). You’re changing the goal posts. Especially since you didn’t provide us with these damaging anecdotes.

Still waiting…

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

And by proxy it's homophobic to not allow someone to read a book that may have trans or same sex couples represented. They exist whether you agree with it or not.

Valid argument....but you must understand the history of the gender identity progressive beliefs and the way it is being taught and pushed....that everyone must believe and support only the gender identity ideology of the extreme progressives. That's where things went sideways and we all lost common sense. The "popularization" and "trendiness" of the LGBTQ+ lifestyle....attempting to make it the norm.

OP here. Can you define what you mean by the “lifestyle”? People keep using this term and I have no clue what it means.

I assume it means that the gays are having so much fun they might tempt cis teens to change their sexuality on a whim.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

If you are saying that you believe gender ideology is as much of a fundamentalist religious belief system as creationism, I agree with you. I would be fine if gender ideology was taught as the one of the varied religious beliefs it is.

Put it in a comparative religion class in high school: “There are people who believe that all humans have gender souls that exist apart from their body and that are more important than their physical body. They believe in the physical mortification of the body to demonstrate their adherence to those religious beliefs, in some cases permanently altering the bodies of children. This is a neoreligion that has always existed, but that only came into prominence globally from about the 1980s onward, when the availability of certain medical procedures became more widespread.” Etc.

I would be fine with that. I am not at all fine teaching young children as fact that they have gender souls that can transmute them into a different identity. That’s state sponsorship of religious belief and it is not a religious belief I share.

They could even have a chapter on transgeneder, genital mutilation or eunochs in religion. I'd be very interested in seeing how they go about making the distinctions.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

If you are saying that you believe gender ideology is as much of a fundamentalist religious belief system as creationism, I agree with you. I would be fine if gender ideology was taught as the one of the varied religious beliefs it is.

Put it in a comparative religion class in high school: “There are people who believe that all humans have gender souls that exist apart from their body and that are more important than their physical body. They believe in the physical mortification of the body to demonstrate their adherence to those religious beliefs, in some cases permanently altering the bodies of children. This is a neoreligion that has always existed, but that only came into prominence globally from about the 1980s onward, when the availability of certain medical procedures became more widespread.” Etc.

I would be fine with that. I am not at all fine teaching young children as fact that they have gender souls that can transmute them into a different identity. That’s state sponsorship of religious belief and it is not a religious belief I share.

They could even have a chapter on transgeneder, genital mutilation or eunochs in religion. I'd be very interested in seeing how they go about making the distinctions.

True. WPATH SOC 8 has a chapter on eunuchs. There is a long history of creating eunuchs for religious reasons in the world. It would be a fascinating discussion.

https://wpath.org/publications/soc8/

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

And by proxy it's homophobic to not allow someone to read a book that may have trans or same sex couples represented. They exist whether you agree with it or not.

Valid argument....but you must understand the history of the gender identity progressive beliefs and the way it is being taught and pushed....that everyone must believe and support only the gender identity ideology of the extreme progressives. That's where things went sideways and we all lost common sense. The "popularization" and "trendiness" of the LGBTQ+ lifestyle....attempting to make it the norm.

OP here. Can you define what you mean by the “lifestyle”? People keep using this term and I have no clue what it means.

Apologies, "lifestyle" is the wrong term...I mean in the context of "popularization" and "trendiness" of being LGBTQ+ and the attempt to make it the "norm".
https://kmph.com/news/local/whats-behind-explosive-growth-in-lgbtq-youth-numbers

This honestly was not as big an issue until the whole gender identity ideology started to become a thing. This and I'll say it here...forcing "acceptance" rather than simply accepting "tolerance".

Tolerance: In the context of the LGBTQ+ community, tolerance means allowing individuals to live their lives peacefully and happily without beliefs or interference causing harm or discrimination.

Acceptance: Some people believe that tolerance isn't good enough - that the goal should be acceptance, actively embracing and celebrating LGBTQ+. Some people believe that there should be full acceptance.

No matter how many pride flags are flown or parades/festivals happen...you cannot force acceptance.

And the minute you start equating tolerance with bigotry or homophobia that implies you want to pressure people into accepting LGBTQ+. We as a society are not ready for that. We value equal rights and we value freedom of religion.

I will never display a pride flag or march in a pride parade.
I support equal rights for LGBTQ+.
If I had a neighbor displaying a pride flag I would accept their right to do so.
I would never discriminate against LGBTQ+.

Just as I am tolerant of different religions, I shouldn't have to fully accept a different religion if it contradicts my own religion.
It's the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

And by proxy it's homophobic to not allow someone to read a book that may have trans or same sex couples represented. They exist whether you agree with it or not.

Valid argument....but you must understand the history of the gender identity progressive beliefs and the way it is being taught and pushed....that everyone must believe and support only the gender identity ideology of the extreme progressives. That's where things went sideways and we all lost common sense. The "popularization" and "trendiness" of the LGBTQ+ lifestyle....attempting to make it the norm.

OP here. Can you define what you mean by the “lifestyle”? People keep using this term and I have no clue what it means.

Apologies, "lifestyle" is the wrong term...I mean in the context of "popularization" and "trendiness" of being LGBTQ+ and the attempt to make it the "norm".
https://kmph.com/news/local/whats-behind-explosive-growth-in-lgbtq-youth-numbers

This honestly was not as big an issue until the whole gender identity ideology started to become a thing. This and I'll say it here...forcing "acceptance" rather than simply accepting "tolerance".

Tolerance: In the context of the LGBTQ+ community, tolerance means allowing individuals to live their lives peacefully and happily without beliefs or interference causing harm or discrimination.

Acceptance: Some people believe that tolerance isn't good enough - that the goal should be acceptance, actively embracing and celebrating LGBTQ+. Some people believe that there should be full acceptance.

No matter how many pride flags are flown or parades/festivals happen...you cannot force acceptance.

And the minute you start equating tolerance with bigotry or homophobia that implies you want to pressure people into accepting LGBTQ+. We as a society are not ready for that. We value equal rights and we value freedom of religion.

I will never display a pride flag or march in a pride parade.
I support equal rights for LGBTQ+.
If I had a neighbor displaying a pride flag I would accept their right to do so.
I would never discriminate against LGBTQ+.

Just as I am tolerant of different religions, I shouldn't have to fully accept a different religion if it contradicts my own religion.
It's the same thing.

Leaving LGBTQ+ identities out of the curriculum isn't neutrality, it's exclusion. That exclusion contributes to real harm, like higher rates of bullying, depression, and suicide among LGBTQ+ youth.

No one is asking you to wave a flag or change your beliefs. But ensuring equal access to education and dignity is not "forcing acceptance." It's basic fairness.

If "tolerance" means LGBTQ+ students have to stay invisible or be treated as controversial to avoid offending others, then that isn't tolerance. It's discrimination.

Public education serves everyone, regardless of religion. People are free to practice their beliefs at home and in their communities, but public schools have a responsibility to teach facts and promote safety for all students.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

And by proxy it's homophobic to not allow someone to read a book that may have trans or same sex couples represented. They exist whether you agree with it or not.

Valid argument....but you must understand the history of the gender identity progressive beliefs and the way it is being taught and pushed....that everyone must believe and support only the gender identity ideology of the extreme progressives. That's where things went sideways and we all lost common sense. The "popularization" and "trendiness" of the LGBTQ+ lifestyle....attempting to make it the norm.

OP here. Can you define what you mean by the “lifestyle”? People keep using this term and I have no clue what it means.

Apologies, "lifestyle" is the wrong term...I mean in the context of "popularization" and "trendiness" of being LGBTQ+ and the attempt to make it the "norm".
https://kmph.com/news/local/whats-behind-explosive-growth-in-lgbtq-youth-numbers

This honestly was not as big an issue until the whole gender identity ideology started to become a thing. This and I'll say it here...forcing "acceptance" rather than simply accepting "tolerance".

Tolerance: In the context of the LGBTQ+ community, tolerance means allowing individuals to live their lives peacefully and happily without beliefs or interference causing harm or discrimination.

Acceptance: Some people believe that tolerance isn't good enough - that the goal should be acceptance, actively embracing and celebrating LGBTQ+. Some people believe that there should be full acceptance.

No matter how many pride flags are flown or parades/festivals happen...you cannot force acceptance.

And the minute you start equating tolerance with bigotry or homophobia that implies you want to pressure people into accepting LGBTQ+. We as a society are not ready for that. We value equal rights and we value freedom of religion.

I will never display a pride flag or march in a pride parade.
I support equal rights for LGBTQ+.
If I had a neighbor displaying a pride flag I would accept their right to do so.
I would never discriminate against LGBTQ+.

Just as I am tolerant of different religions, I shouldn't have to fully accept a different religion if it contradicts my own religion.
It's the same thing.

Leaving LGBTQ+ identities out of the curriculum isn't neutrality, it's exclusion. That exclusion contributes to real harm, like higher rates of bullying, depression, and suicide among LGBTQ+ youth.

No one is asking you to wave a flag or change your beliefs. But ensuring equal access to education and dignity is not "forcing acceptance." It's basic fairness.

If "tolerance" means LGBTQ+ students have to stay invisible or be treated as controversial to avoid offending others, then that isn't tolerance. It's discrimination.

Public education serves everyone, regardless of religion. People are free to practice their beliefs at home and in their communities, but public schools have a responsibility to teach facts and promote safety for all students.

The bolded is both speculative and manipulative.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

And by proxy it's homophobic to not allow someone to read a book that may have trans or same sex couples represented. They exist whether you agree with it or not.

Valid argument....but you must understand the history of the gender identity progressive beliefs and the way it is being taught and pushed....that everyone must believe and support only the gender identity ideology of the extreme progressives. That's where things went sideways and we all lost common sense. The "popularization" and "trendiness" of the LGBTQ+ lifestyle....attempting to make it the norm.

OP here. Can you define what you mean by the “lifestyle”? People keep using this term and I have no clue what it means.

Apologies, "lifestyle" is the wrong term...I mean in the context of "popularization" and "trendiness" of being LGBTQ+ and the attempt to make it the "norm".
https://kmph.com/news/local/whats-behind-explosive-growth-in-lgbtq-youth-numbers

This honestly was not as big an issue until the whole gender identity ideology started to become a thing. This and I'll say it here...forcing "acceptance" rather than simply accepting "tolerance".

Tolerance: In the context of the LGBTQ+ community, tolerance means allowing individuals to live their lives peacefully and happily without beliefs or interference causing harm or discrimination.

Acceptance: Some people believe that tolerance isn't good enough - that the goal should be acceptance, actively embracing and celebrating LGBTQ+. Some people believe that there should be full acceptance.

No matter how many pride flags are flown or parades/festivals happen...you cannot force acceptance.

And the minute you start equating tolerance with bigotry or homophobia that implies you want to pressure people into accepting LGBTQ+. We as a society are not ready for that. We value equal rights and we value freedom of religion.

I will never display a pride flag or march in a pride parade.
I support equal rights for LGBTQ+.
If I had a neighbor displaying a pride flag I would accept their right to do so.
I would never discriminate against LGBTQ+.

Just as I am tolerant of different religions, I shouldn't have to fully accept a different religion if it contradicts my own religion.
It's the same thing.

Leaving LGBTQ+ identities out of the curriculum isn't neutrality, it's exclusion. That exclusion contributes to real harm, like higher rates of bullying, depression, and suicide among LGBTQ+ youth.

No one is asking you to wave a flag or change your beliefs. But ensuring equal access to education and dignity is not "forcing acceptance." It's basic fairness.

If "tolerance" means LGBTQ+ students have to stay invisible or be treated as controversial to avoid offending others, then that isn't tolerance. It's discrimination.

Public education serves everyone, regardless of religion. People are free to practice their beliefs at home and in their communities, but public schools have a responsibility to teach facts and promote safety for all students.

The bolded is both speculative and manipulative.

So the CDC, The Trevor Project, GLSEN, and over a decade of peer-reviewed research all say that LGBTQ-inclusive education saves lives... but you still think it's 'not true'? That’s not a difference of opinion. That’s you ignoring science because it doesn’t fit your bias. At some point, hiding behind 'concern' becomes just another excuse for homophobia.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

Everyone on this thread is missing the point....The problem is this....gender identity is a belief. If it were taught as such....meaning there are different beliefs surrounding gender identity then we wouldn't be having this thread.

This. And it is a belief that NO school should be teaching. What in the fresh hell is happening? Why isnt this common sense regardless of if you are atheist, muslim, democrat or republican. Gender beliefs and talks about sexuality just are not appropriate elementary school topics.