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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties. [/quote]

As a liberal leftist I agree with this.  The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to  an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language  like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”.  And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

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Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?[/quote]

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.[/quote]

Oh how quickly we forget. Pepperidge Farms still remembers.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/fpm/blogs/gettingpaid/entry/health_care_staff_vaccination.html[/quote]

If you want to work at a hospital or nursing home or assisted care facility, without being vaccinated, you better find one that is not treating my family or your family.    I would never bring my parent or child to a facility that didn't require vaccinations and neither would most other people and all of those facilities would go out of business.[/quote]

That's absurd. As long as they dont have an active infection, they are not in any way threatening you. There are people who have life threatening reactions to vaccines and they do not deserve your condemnation. There are also communities like Mennonites who have religious objections to vaccines. We can't just discriminate against these people with disabilities or religious beliefs, for no reason other than the fact that the American left treats vaccines like a religion. [/quote]

I do not have to take my family member to a healthcare facility in the middle of a pandemic or a measles outbreak if they don't require vaccinations.

Go ahead and run such a facility and see if you can stay in business.  Who is going to take their patients for care to such a place?[/quote]

Unless you live in a big city, you don't really have a choice. Most people are stuck with one hospital within reasonable driving distance. They don't have Sloan-Kettering, Mount Sinai, and multiple university hospitals within walking distance. [/quote]

Way to miss the point.   The vast majority of people, if given the choice, would take their loved one to a facility that is trying to have as high a vax rate as possible to protect all of the patients and staff.  Particularly the ones that are too young or are not able to get a vaccine for some other reason.

If you choose to go to the germ party facility, that would be a very rare choice.[/quote]

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