John Oliver slams Democrats who think transgender people lost them the election

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Anonymous wrote:If adults want to be transgender, they can. What people don’t like is that children are being taught they can change genders by people who aren’t their parents. That’s unacceptable. Children are not supposed to be taught about gender and sexuality by their teachers, social media, or political operatives. Leave children completely alone.


THIS. The pervasiveness of gender changing in school-aged children is disturbing. It is far more than 0.5%



So let their parents deal with. Parents rights and all, right?


Schools are quite literally teaching gender identity ideology


Do parents cease to exist? They want prayer back in schools now. We’re an atheist family. Is my kid going to turn Christian because there’s prayer in school? No. Because I’m still the parent.


Which is why school policies forbidding staff from telling parents about a child’s going by a different gender at school are especially pernicious.


Why? Are they receiving surgery and puberty blockers at school?


Read what I wrote one more time and slowly.
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Anonymous wrote:If adults want to be transgender, they can. What people don’t like is that children are being taught they can change genders by people who aren’t their parents. That’s unacceptable. Children are not supposed to be taught about gender and sexuality by their teachers, social media, or political operatives. Leave children completely alone.


THIS. The pervasiveness of gender changing in school-aged children is disturbing. It is far more than 0.5%



So let their parents deal with. Parents rights and all, right?


So long as it doesn’t involve permanent effects the way puberty blockers and surgery have been shown to have.


So you have a say in what other parents provide their children for their medical care? You know more about other people’s kids than their doctors and therapists do? Wow. You must think very highly of yourself to think you have a say in everyone else’s kids.


Have you been following the restrictions on this type of care in places like the UK and Finland due to scientific research on its effects? The US is an outlier for gender dysphoria treatment.
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Anonymous wrote:The whole transgender debate is bizarre. It is such a small portion of the country. The whole transgender in sports argument is such a bad faith argument.


This whole post is way off the mark. Democrats lost the election for "multiple reasons" -- that being said, one of the reasons is this:

A culmination of cancel culture, extremist DEI and woke culture, pronoun nonsense, social constructs not based on science.

I am disgusted by all the cancel culture, especially in regards to JK Rowling and I actually am a bigger fan of hers simply because she continues to stand her ground. Good for her! Recent Article below - I'm so proud of her.
https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-politics-...omens-rights-1983654

They lost the election because people don't like this - and while too scared to voice it for fear of career damage and society cancelling - they were not scared to vote [or not vote or vote third party] accordingly and that's a big reason Trump won.



Very thoughtful explanation. Many great points. But like so many other accurate dissections, you miss the most important piece if the puzzle: Kamala has been on the national stage for years now, & hasn’t said or done even one thing to indicate she’s smart in any way. She’s a JOKE.
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Anonymous wrote:If adults want to be transgender, they can. What people don’t like is that children are being taught they can change genders by people who aren’t their parents. That’s unacceptable. Children are not supposed to be taught about gender and sexuality by their teachers, social media, or political operatives. Leave children completely alone.


THIS. The pervasiveness of gender changing in school-aged children is disturbing. It is far more than 0.5%



So let their parents deal with. Parents rights and all, right?


So long as it doesn’t involve permanent effects the way puberty blockers and surgery have been shown to have.


So you have a say in what other parents provide their children for their medical care? You know more about other people’s kids than their doctors and therapists do? Wow. You must think very highly of yourself to think you have a say in everyone else’s kids.


Of course. Why do you think we banned things like FGM or require emergency medical treatment even for Christian scientists for minors?


Ok. Good point. I understand that. But I am begging for people to understand as well, and I’ll leave it at this, is to see the humanity in people who are transgender. Children included. All the commentary on here leaves out that these are human beings, and there is going to be real harm that is going to come to them. Equating them to foxes is inhumane and cruel. And when you see that, it is very hard to not dig in and beg for people to see that these are human beings, not some talking point for political gain.
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Anonymous wrote:I live in a blue area (Chicago) and know a shocking number of moms who voted Trump, keeping it secret from their die-hardDem parents, because of this! They said older people don't see it because they don't have young kids and aren't exposed to the craziness.


Yep. Julia Roberts told us our vote was secret, no one would know who we submitted in the ballot box. I certainly haven’t told any of my friends that I voted for Trump. I’m sure I’m not alone.


As a moderate Democrat who knew Trump would win in part because of female fury over this issue, I could not believe the arrogance of those ads and the assumption that the secret voters would all be for Harris. Yes, women voted secretly, a lot of them: but for Trump. You know who is also abusive, also someone to be scared of? Your trans rights supporting liberal husband.

I know liberal women who voted for Trump over this issue and their liberal, loud trans rights supporting liberal husbands have no idea.
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Anonymous wrote:If adults want to be transgender, they can. What people don’t like is that children are being taught they can change genders by people who aren’t their parents. That’s unacceptable. Children are not supposed to be taught about gender and sexuality by their teachers, social media, or political operatives. Leave children completely alone.


THIS. The pervasiveness of gender changing in school-aged children is disturbing. It is far more than 0.5%



So let their parents deal with. Parents rights and all, right?


Schools are quite literally teaching gender identity ideology


Do parents cease to exist? They want prayer back in schools now. We’re an atheist family. Is my kid going to turn Christian because there’s prayer in school? No. Because I’m still the parent.


That is entirely different. Your kid isn’t going to need counseling and therapy if they are the 10 commandments- or even if they “turn Christian”

Gender dysphoria is a DSM-5 diagnosis.
There are psychological implications of children changing their genders. It shouldn’t be “taught” or normalized in school as some flippant choice. Which is exactly what is happening
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Anonymous wrote:John Oliver comes across as religiously insane in that, like an evangelical. Just the body language, the fervent religiosity, the absolute believe in his own rightness: it’s all remarkable. If you turned the volume off, and substituted graphics having to do with the evangelical Christians, you could not tell the difference based on body language. It’s quite something.


Oliver did the same sort of proselytizing around the UK elections by devoting an entire show to his hate of the Conservative government and his support of Labour, despite now being a US citizen. Jokes on him because Labour is struggling and the next Tory in live to lead the government is Kemi Badenoch, a no-nonsense WOC in the mold of Margaret Thatcher. Oliver is going to have a tough time railing against her, given his support for Kamala Harris.


Oh man, I cannot wait to watch Oliver melt in front of Badenoch. She is a once-in-a-generation political talent.
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Anonymous wrote:If adults want to be transgender, they can. What people don’t like is that children are being taught they can change genders by people who aren’t their parents. That’s unacceptable. Children are not supposed to be taught about gender and sexuality by their teachers, social media, or political operatives. Leave children completely alone.


That’s not happening. Social media sure but so is your body my choice. Can’t control that. Teachers can’t even give a kid an aspirin without 50 forms being signed, but ads ran saying kids are having sex changes at school. That’s outrageous that those ads ran. Blatant lies all the way around. But whatever. You won. Nothing will actually change here because this wasn’t happening to begin with. So back to the status quo of this actually still really not happening.


Students at schools are allowed to be transgender at school and the school doesn’t inform the parents.

Like the Harris ads that encouraged wives to lie to their husbands about who they voted for. Democrats are big on lying to your family members for their sakes.

Schools aren’t operating on kids and changing their gender; they are encouraging kids to lie to their parents about changing gender and helping them deceive their parents. Sick.


It is even worse than this. There are kids identifying as various animals at school and teachers/admin enabling this behavior; albeit, the parents of said children are in on it too because they are insane and we as a society have been forced to accept this demented behavior.


Litter boxes in schools for kids who identify as cat gender was yet another FAKE thing from the right wing, right up there with "they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs."

You are embarrassingly gullible and foolish and are completely lacking any critical thinking skills, PP. And, find better sources of information, because whatever sources you're relying on currently are just outright lying to you, PP.


Then how do you explain the kid at my DC's school that dresses and acts like a fox and was bitting other children and administrators did nothing about? Oh that's right that is a rightwing hoax too. Everything is a rightwing hoax. All is well guys. Nothing to see here.


How about I do the same thing and say my kid's classmate was running around shouting racist slurs at everyone and holding up a noose to black kids and teachers did nothing because he pointed at his red MAGA hat and said "Trump is God and you're going to fall in line or else go to the concentration camp."

See, I can make things up too.


Lol. I bet you have cut off some family members this Thanksgiving. Have fun in your echo chamber.


No, I still celebrate holidays with my MAGA relatives. But we no longer talk politics because I trot out pesky facts that make them look like fools.
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Anonymous wrote:Yep - anyone with a kid in middle or high school knows that while yes, while the number of transgender students may be small it is most definitely pervasive. It’s not a small issue. It can’t be avoided by those who don’t fit the profile of being trans (which, let’s face it, is mostly white girls on the autism spectrum/have other mental health issues/quirky in some way or is a theater kid).



Why do you need to “avoid” the issue of its so small? Let people live their lives. Stop obsessing over it and you’ll stop noticing it.

I don't look at trans people any differently than anyone else. What is the big deal? All you’re being asked to do is not discriminate or bully them. Is that really too much to ask?


You’re not listening. It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.


It's really not. Not even close to the level of abuse by team docs or coaches. Or even parents beating on their kids and the refs when they're out on the field. Have you even been to watch girls high school sports??


Wow. You have lost all touch with everything.


Answer the question. Do you watch girls high school sports? You would have to watch years of them to ever catch a glimpse of a trans player out there on the girls team. And probably a few more years to catch a glimpse of a trans player on the girls team without any talent at all.

Seriously quit your whining and spend your time on something that's a real problem.



Dp. I’ve been to a handful of high school sporting events in my life and I’ve seen a trans player on a girls team.

I don’t know that many people, but I know multiple people with trans kids.

I go to sign my kid up for a pre-college event, and I’m offered 13 genders to choose from for him on the form. I wish I were exaggerating.

It’s not a small issue. It’s pervasive.




Well, I've probably watched thousands of hours of girls high school sports. It is not pervasive. I promise you.


Go to the college and post college level where money is involved and get back to us.


watched plenty of college women's sports. It is not a thing.

It is for you so post away. But know that the tremendous majority of women playing sports in college are focused on the difficult balance of managing academics and playing college sports. The issue of trans athletes is not discussed among the athletes or the parents...ever. There are a hundred other topics more pressing.


I’m the parent of a college athlete and also the parent of a potential recruit. The bolded is categorically not true and you sound like just one more reality-denying Democrat. Stop gaslighting. People know you are lying.
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Anonymous wrote:If adults want to be transgender, they can. What people don’t like is that children are being taught they can change genders by people who aren’t their parents. That’s unacceptable. Children are not supposed to be taught about gender and sexuality by their teachers, social media, or political operatives. Leave children completely alone.


THIS. The pervasiveness of gender changing in school-aged children is disturbing. It is far more than 0.5%



So let their parents deal with. Parents rights and all, right?


Schools are quite literally teaching gender identity ideology


Do parents cease to exist? They want prayer back in schools now. We’re an atheist family. Is my kid going to turn Christian because there’s prayer in school? No. Because I’m still the parent.


That is entirely different. Your kid isn’t going to need counseling and therapy if they are the 10 commandments- or even if they “turn Christian”

Gender dysphoria is a DSM-5 diagnosis.
There are psychological implications of children changing their genders. It shouldn’t be “taught” or normalized in school as some flippant choice. Which is exactly what is happening


If they’re not trans learning about the existence of it doesn’t make you trans for crying out loud.
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Anonymous wrote:Some people believe transgender people do not exist. Some people believe climate change does not exist. Some people believe immigrants in Ohio are eating dogs.


Some people believe men can become women.
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Anonymous wrote:The whole transgender debate is bizarre. It is such a small portion of the country. The whole transgender in sports argument is such a bad faith argument.


Not a young woman's athletic scholarship depends on pitching on the softball team or the university allowing a trans man to take your place and scholarship because they can't compete with non-trans men.


Kamala voter and I agree—the fact that this rarely happens is totally irrelevant to a low info voter. They don’t like it, people have to stop defending it and not be afraid to say that it’s wrong.


If it happens a single time, it’s happened too many times.

Biological males should not play sports on any level with women. They are not women, women are women. It’s not hurting their feelings, it’s telling the truth.


None of you gave a shit about women and girls sports until it gave you a reason to have a grievance against transwomen.


The only people I know who bring up this topic are female athletes and parents of daughters.


Republican men were bringing it up constantly and I would expect that to continue even after Trump bans trans girls in girl’s sports because Republicans would melt away if they didn’t have something to be angry about. People still talk about Lia Thomas and she hasn’t swam in 2.5 years. Republicans talk more about trans people than trans people do.


Then it's good that Democrats are finally talking about trans men. Trans men do not spark joy in the electorate despite Kamala's beliefs.


this is also false. the dems actually did not run on progressive identity issues at ALL. find me one democratic ad that did. go on, i'll wait.

Let's see:

You spent over a decade trying to remold society to impose transgenderism as a "human rights issue."

You bastardized everything from science to education to laws like Title IX in order to replace sex with gender identity.

You destroyed careers to punish dissent, stripped parents of custody, and passed forced speech "anti-misgendering" laws in places like Harris's home state of California.

You groomed children with patently false ideas like selecting their own gender and then infiltrated education and corrupt medical bodies so teachers and doctors would affirm the lies you told these children.

You promoted the misuse of powerful drugs to chemically castrate children into ghoulish facsimiles of the opposite sex so the adult transgender "women" who run your cult could say "see, it's natural! even children are trans!"

AND THEN, seeing a major backlash building, you decided you would try a trick. You decided not to admit or repudiate any of your misdeeds, but to instead keep quiet about them. You colluded with legacy media to try to shift the narrative and pretend those blowing the whistle on your insane deeds were the ones "obsessed." You thought you were so clever in pretending the 10-year timeline in which your cult tried to gaslight, intimidate, indoctrinate society into transgenderism never happened.

But oops, it didn't work. Voters' memories are longer than three seconds as it turns out.

Yet you're still out in force trying to lie that what you made sure was happening for 10 years never happened. Maybe if you keep going, people won't notice you have never abandoned your transgender agenda and still intend to impose it at the next opportunity. We'll see, I guess.



^^^ 100.00% THIS right here. ^^^

Exactly, totally, completely this. Perfectly stated.


Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people believe transgender people do not exist. Some people believe climate change does not exist. Some people believe immigrants in Ohio are eating dogs.


Some people believe men can become women.



And yet if I told you I felt as though I were a Velociraptor trapped in the body of a human, and that I identify as a type of dinosaur, you’d have absolutely no qualms about telling me I was crazy and dismissing me as a nut.


Do you see the problem here?
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Anonymous wrote:If adults want to be transgender, they can. What people don’t like is that children are being taught they can change genders by people who aren’t their parents. That’s unacceptable. Children are not supposed to be taught about gender and sexuality by their teachers, social media, or political operatives. Leave children completely alone.


That’s not happening. Social media sure but so is your body my choice. Can’t control that. Teachers can’t even give a kid an aspirin without 50 forms being signed, but ads ran saying kids are having sex changes at school. That’s outrageous that those ads ran. Blatant lies all the way around. But whatever. You won. Nothing will actually change here because this wasn’t happening to begin with. So back to the status quo of this actually still really not happening.


Students at schools are allowed to be transgender at school and the school doesn’t inform the parents.

Like the Harris ads that encouraged wives to lie to their husbands about who they voted for. Democrats are big on lying to your family members for their sakes.

Schools aren’t operating on kids and changing their gender; they are encouraging kids to lie to their parents about changing gender and helping them deceive their parents. Sick.


It is even worse than this. There are kids identifying as various animals at school and teachers/admin enabling this behavior; albeit, the parents of said children are in on it too because they are insane and we as a society have been forced to accept this demented behavior.


Litter boxes in schools for kids who identify as cat gender was yet another FAKE thing from the right wing, right up there with "they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs."

You are embarrassingly gullible and foolish and are completely lacking any critical thinking skills, PP. And, find better sources of information, because whatever sources you're relying on currently are just outright lying to you, PP.


Then how do you explain the kid at my DC's school that dresses and acts like a fox and was bitting other children and administrators did nothing about? Oh that's right that is a rightwing hoax too. Everything is a rightwing hoax. All is well guys. Nothing to see here.


How about I do the same thing and say my kid's classmate was running around shouting racist slurs at everyone and holding up a noose to black kids and teachers did nothing because he pointed at his red MAGA hat and said "Trump is God and you're going to fall in line or else go to the concentration camp."

See, I can make things up too.


Lol. I bet you have cut off some family members this Thanksgiving. Have fun in your echo chamber.


No, I still celebrate holidays with my MAGA relatives. But we no longer talk politics because I trot out pesky facts that make them look like fools.


I'm pretty sure they say the same about you. They probably get their facts from actual statistics. You know like the open borders, and increase in drugs and fentanyl deaths.
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It would have been so easy for Dems to reframe all of this as a fight for medical freedom, for women, for parents, etc.

Instead we fought about pronouns. Dumbasses.

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