Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly, at the end of the day, it’s pretty difficult to help someone who doesn’t want or isn’t ready for help. She could have said so many things to the police or her parents there that she didn’t say. She absolutely did not deserve what happened to her, but people are not mind readers. It’s really easy after the fact to say what you would have done.

People who had received proper training in domestic violence and followed that training would have been far more use to her than what she received. The police knew that an eyewitness had reported seen him hitting her multiple times — no need for mind reading. The lengths some of you go to defend incompetence is quite something.

Actually, this isn’t true. There were apparently two separate calls and we don’t know if the officers on the scene knew about the reports of him hitting her. They were responding to a separate call that she hit him. Yes, more training in recognizing and dealing with domestic violence would be great, totally agree. But no one should lose their job over this!

The second body cam video released shows that the officers knew about both calls. They tell Gabby that a witness saw Brian slap her and she denies it or minimizes it (“he grabbed my face, he didn’t hit me).

Ok thanks for clarifying. In that case, not sure what else the cops were supposed to do? Even if they had sent her to a hotel and arranged for a mental health or social work consult, it sounds like she would have continued the trip?

None of us has a crystal ball. A proper response may have led to a different result,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.

I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.

Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.

Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.

Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.

I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!

+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.

I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.

Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.

Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.

Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.

I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!

+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.

+2
Gabby could have possibly been having a panic attack & the cop on-scene advised her to go and take a relaxing, hot shower somewhere.
Telling someone to take a “relaxing” shower during an anxiety-induced situation is akin to telling a depressed person to sit outside in the sun while chewing on some vitamins.
It is like basically saying “C’mon…. Just SNAP out of it!”

So showering helps the officer’s wife.
That is good for her.
But for many people dealing with anxiety issues ~ they definitely need more than a body cleansing in order to “snap” out of it!

[Anonymous]

While I think it is awesome 👏🏽 that Dog has thrown in his services into the ring in aiding in the search for Brian Laundrie - I think it is a little bit ironic that so many people are hailing him as a sort of “hero” for all he has done thus far in helping the FBI as well as keeping the public updated on any recent developments in this case.

Why so?
Because Dog himself….or rather Duane as he was known back in the day, was once convicted of first-degree murder himself.
So in other words > yes, he himself has personally murdered another person as well as Brian.

I would hail John Walsh more since he actually tragically lost his little son to actual murder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that it is unfair to blame Gabby’s family for not assisting her w/her troubled relationship issues.

She was twenty-two years old > definitely old enough to make her own, independent decisions on the trajectory of her life.
Plus it doesn’t appear that anyone in Gabby’s family even knew of what a monster her fiancé was.

Ideally Gabby should have left Brian in Utah after he was situated in his hotel room.
She should have taken her van & just got the HE🏒🏒 away from that loser.

But love (especially young love) is so blind + I just feel it is so unfair to hold her family responsible for her tragic fate.
I am sure that they likely are dealing w/so many mixed emotions every single second. 😢

But financially and living situation wise, they both lived with his parents. Did she have access to her own accounts to pay for what she would need without him? Are they tied to his?

DP here. Not sure, but hadn’t her father moved to FL so he could be supportive of Gabby? What happened with that? I’m sure there are many regrets all around within that family.

Anyone find Gabbys father’s behavior a little off? I can’t quite put my finger on it. He just seems a little too composed in TV interviews considering how recently this all occurred. And has this weird hyper macho thing going on.

YES to the bold!!

I mean maybe he is overly calm and composed. Maybe he hasn't started grieving yet and is holding it together? Maybe he only goes on TV on days where he is able to hold it together and the rest of the time he's a mess? Who knows. But you're not suggesting his weirdness means he's somehow involved right? Bc as far as we know he lives in Vero Beach and was no where near these 2 on the camping trip.

No, not involved. But just remarkably emotionally detached. To the point, and I hate to say it, it almost looks like he sort of enjoys the attention and interaction with the national media. If you look at his TVs interviews before her body was discovered vs. the remarks he made at her wake there is no dip, no sadness. At the wake the step dad was the emotional one. Her actual dad almost gave her a roast. It’s just off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.

I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.

Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.

Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.

Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.

I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!

+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.

Right, but she also admitted several times that she struck Brian first. Which was corroborated by Brian. The officer did her a solid by not arresting her on the spot, separating the two, and giving her control of the vehicle for the night and the ability to flee. Expecting a small town, under resourced police department to provide two transients with Cadillac level of service is, sadly, just not realistic. They did the best they could.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While I think it is awesome 👏🏽 that Dog has thrown in his services into the ring in aiding in the search for Brian Laundrie - I think it is a little bit ironic that so many people are hailing him as a sort of “hero” for all he has done thus far in helping the FBI as well as keeping the public updated on any recent developments in this case.

Why so?
Because Dog himself….or rather Duane as he was known back in the day, was once convicted of first-degree murder himself.
So in other words > yes, he himself has personally murdered another person as well as Brian.

I would hail John Walsh more since he actually tragically lost his little son to actual murder.

Duane was allegedly in a getaway car while his partner murdered someone. That is obviously bad yet different than committing the murder one’s self. I don’t know if Duane knew his friend would murder someone or knew it was happening when it happened. Without knowing details, I’ll refrain from judgment.

He served time in jail. If we believe time served is effective and a penance, then we can take that into consideration. The man has caught many a criminal. While catching the Max Factor heir, Duane put himself at risk in Mexico. He didn’t have to do that.

Life is not all black and white. Many a politician indirectly kills people and are not held to account. Life is complicated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I think it is awesome 👏🏽 that Dog has thrown in his services into the ring in aiding in the search for Brian Laundrie - I think it is a little bit ironic that so many people are hailing him as a sort of “hero” for all he has done thus far in helping the FBI as well as keeping the public updated on any recent developments in this case.

Why so?
Because Dog himself….or rather Duane as he was known back in the day, was once convicted of first-degree murder himself.
So in other words > yes, he himself has personally murdered another person as well as Brian.

I would hail John Walsh more since he actually tragically lost his little son to actual murder.

Duane was allegedly in a getaway car while his partner murdered someone. That is obviously bad yet different than committing the murder one’s self. I don’t know if Duane knew his friend would murder someone or knew it was happening when it happened. Without knowing details, I’ll refrain from judgment.

He served time in jail. If we believe time served is effective and a penance, then we can take that into consideration. The man has caught many a criminal. While catching the Max Factor heir, Duane put himself at risk in Mexico. He didn’t have to do that.

Life is not all black and white. Many a politician indirectly kills people and are not held to account. Life is complicated.

Once the guy serves time you can drop the “allegedly.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I think it is awesome 👏🏽 that Dog has thrown in his services into the ring in aiding in the search for Brian Laundrie - I think it is a little bit ironic that so many people are hailing him as a sort of “hero” for all he has done thus far in helping the FBI as well as keeping the public updated on any recent developments in this case.

Why so?
Because Dog himself….or rather Duane as he was known back in the day, was once convicted of first-degree murder himself.
So in other words > yes, he himself has personally murdered another person as well as Brian.

I would hail John Walsh more since he actually tragically lost his little son to actual murder.

Duane was allegedly in a getaway car while his partner murdered someone. That is obviously bad yet different than committing the murder one’s self. I don’t know if Duane knew his friend would murder someone or knew it was happening when it happened. Without knowing details, I’ll refrain from judgment.

He served time in jail. If we believe time served is effective and a penance, then we can take that into consideration. The man has caught many a criminal. While catching the Max Factor heir, Duane put himself at risk in Mexico. He didn’t have to do that.

Life is not all black and white. Many a politician indirectly kills people and are not held to account. Life is complicated.

I fault him for turning this into a circus. Let’s be honest, he only cares about the reward money and publicity. I guess since we live in a capitalistic society that’s to be expected, but doesn’t mean we all have to applaud him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that it is unfair to blame Gabby’s family for not assisting her w/her troubled relationship issues.

She was twenty-two years old > definitely old enough to make her own, independent decisions on the trajectory of her life.
Plus it doesn’t appear that anyone in Gabby’s family even knew of what a monster her fiancé was.

Ideally Gabby should have left Brian in Utah after he was situated in his hotel room.
She should have taken her van & just got the HE🏒🏒 away from that loser.

But love (especially young love) is so blind + I just feel it is so unfair to hold her family responsible for her tragic fate.
I am sure that they likely are dealing w/so many mixed emotions every single second. 😢

But financially and living situation wise, they both lived with his parents. Did she have access to her own accounts to pay for what she would need without him? Are they tied to his?

DP here. Not sure, but hadn’t her father moved to FL so he could be supportive of Gabby? What happened with that? I’m sure there are many regrets all around within that family.

Anyone find Gabbys father’s behavior a little off? I can’t quite put my finger on it. He just seems a little too composed in TV interviews considering how recently this all occurred. And has this weird hyper macho thing going on.

YES to the bold!!

He’s definitely “that type” from the area. So disgusting. Glad I don’t live there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sitting here, literally shaking my head.

I am amazed that responses on here are actually defending the police (from August 12th) on this thread.
It is so blatantly obvious to me that the situation in Utah was littered w/mistake after mistake.

Cops should have zeroed in on Brian a little more.
They should have seen right through his transparency but they could not.
Even a typical layman can see he is nervous (& thus hyper), overapologetic, while at the same time minimizing the situation while seeming so indifferent to Gabby’s apparent distress.

Gabby was bawling the entire time.
She kept blaming herself for everything + admitted that she was not taking any medication for her mental issues.

Yet Brian got a free night’s stay in a hotel while the most Gabby received from the cops was a list of places that she could….rather should go to get a four-dollar shower to “cool off, relax and decompress.”
Because that is what helped the officer’s own wife - it would help Gabby as well.
Ha!!
Unfortunately anxiety is a huge mental issue and it takes more than one relaxing shower to help it.

I agree that cops either should be required to get more training on how to best deal w/DV or the police department should hire people who have solid DV skills both through education as well as experience.
Hopefully Gabby’s death will shine a light on how incompetently the current protocols for DV are so screwed up!

+1 she showed them how he grabbed her face!! That level of violence is code red alarm. Grabbing face or neck is chapter one of this will spiral into tragedy.

Right, but she also admitted several times that she struck Brian first. Which was corroborated by Brian. The officer did her a solid by not arresting her on the spot, separating the two, and giving her control of the vehicle for the night and the ability to flee. Expecting a small town, under resourced police department to provide two transients with Cadillac level of service is, sadly, just not realistic. They did the best they could.

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They encountered two young people who were stressed out, but they had no reason to assume he would kill her. They gave them both the benefit of not escalating by arresting them. She could have been arrested, too.

The lesson everyone should be teaching their daughters is to not tolerate any abuse and to seek help.

[Anonymous]

In this news article, a second bounty hunter is mentioned as searching for Laundrie.

I wonder what the average time is to find a fugitive? I’m surprised Laundrie has evaded capture this long and think he must have done some good planning or was lucky.

This article is mostly about a guy who said he saw BL but a second bounty hunter is mentioned in here, too.

With the sightings, I think people focus too much on the beard. I would focus on eye shape, because BL has unusually shaped eyes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hiker-claims-he-saw-brian-laundrie-near-appalachian-trail/ar-AAP600U

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I think it is awesome 👏🏽 that Dog has thrown in his services into the ring in aiding in the search for Brian Laundrie - I think it is a little bit ironic that so many people are hailing him as a sort of “hero” for all he has done thus far in helping the FBI as well as keeping the public updated on any recent developments in this case.

Why so?
Because Dog himself….or rather Duane as he was known back in the day, was once convicted of first-degree murder himself.
So in other words > yes, he himself has personally murdered another person as well as Brian.

I would hail John Walsh more since he actually tragically lost his little son to actual murder.

Duane was allegedly in a getaway car while his partner murdered someone. That is obviously bad yet different than committing the murder one’s self. I don’t know if Duane knew his friend would murder someone or knew it was happening when it happened. Without knowing details, I’ll refrain from judgment.

He served time in jail. If we believe time served is effective and a penance, then we can take that into consideration. The man has caught many a criminal. While catching the Max Factor heir, Duane put himself at risk in Mexico. He didn’t have to do that.

Life is not all black and white. Many a politician indirectly kills people and are not held to account. Life is complicated.

I fault him for turning this into a circus. Let’s be honest, he only cares about the reward money and publicity. I guess since we live in a capitalistic society that’s to be expected, but doesn’t mean we all have to applaud him.

I don’t think “all” are applauding him. I fault the weirdos yelling through bullhorns at the Laundrie house for making it a circus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In this news article, a second bounty hunter is mentioned as searching for Laundrie.

I wonder what the average time is to find a fugitive? I’m surprised Laundrie has evaded capture this long and think he must have done some good planning or was lucky.

This article is mostly about a guy who said he saw BL but a second bounty hunter is mentioned in here, too.

With the sightings, I think people focus too much on the beard. I would focus on eye shape, because BL has unusually shaped eyes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hiker-claims-he-saw-brian-laundrie-near-appalachian-trail/ar-AAP600U

What is unusual about his eye shape? They look average to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In this news article, a second bounty hunter is mentioned as searching for Laundrie.

I wonder what the average time is to find a fugitive? I’m surprised Laundrie has evaded capture this long and think he must have done some good planning or was lucky.

This article is mostly about a guy who said he saw BL but a second bounty hunter is mentioned in here, too.

With the sightings, I think people focus too much on the beard. I would focus on eye shape, because BL has unusually shaped eyes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hiker-claims-he-saw-brian-laundrie-near-appalachian-trail/ar-AAP600U

What is unusual about his eye shape? They look average to me.

The corners of his outer eyesockets go down at the sides. I’ve not seen many people with that shape before.