Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

The very likely explanation is he killed her. The only other possibility I can think of is that there was an accident, like an accidental overdose death, and he hid her body and ran because he was afraid of being prosecuted. I hope they recover her soon so her family can get some answers. This is horrible for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

if he had his phone with him and he used google maps or even something like komoot for hiking, his phone was still receiving GPS data which is then uploaded to servers ones it gets a connection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

if he had his phone with him and he used google maps or even something like komoot for hiking, his phone was still receiving GPS data which is then uploaded to servers ones it gets a connection.

She’s been missing for two weeks and at least 72 hours since her mother filed a critical missing persons report. I’m going to go with - if they haven’t found her by now the cell phone is destroyed and no location data recovered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The very likely explanation is he killed her. The only other possibility I can think of is that there was an accident, like an accidental overdose death, and he hid her body and ran because he was afraid of being prosecuted. I hope they recover her soon so her family can get some answers. This is horrible for them.

I think there are these options:

1. he lost it in a fit of rate and killed her
2. he accidentally killed her during sex gone wrong, freaked out and drove home
3. she feel from a cliff or something - accident, but he freaked out and drove home
4. accidental drug overdose

I hope they find her alive, or at least find her remains so her family can have some closure.

[Anonymous]

So many of these threads. I think Jeff needs to create a new section for True Crime or Mysterious Deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

I don’t understand why they don’t just extend cell service to them? These parks sound horrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

I don’t understand why they don’t just extend cell service to them? These parks sound horrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many of these threads. I think Jeff needs to create a new section for True Crime or Mysterious Deaths.

I think this is a GREAT idea!

[Anonymous]

The dirty truth: there is no crime if the police can't prove it happened. Without a body, physical evidence, or data from the phones, the police do not have anything to work with.

And the guy is under no obligation to tell the police anything or help them in any way. In fact, he can leave the country right now for 6 months and go travel. He may be a suspect, but that means nothing until he is indicted by a grand jury.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

I don’t understand why they don’t just extend cell service to them? These parks sound horrible.

I don’t think you can just extend cell services. Don’t you have to build towers in these forests?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

I don’t understand why they don’t just extend cell service to them? These parks sound horrible.

I don’t think you can just extend cell services. Don’t you have to build towers in these forests?

You have to build towers and extend power lines & fiber optics cabling to handle the data traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

I don’t understand why they don’t just extend cell service to them? These parks sound horrible.

I don’t think you can just extend cell services. Don’t you have to build towers in these forests?

I'm the PP who laughed at the previous PP's comment about extending cell service - I assumed it was a joke...

Yes, you need to build cell towers. No, they aren't going to build cell towers in National Parks. Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:80% chance he walks. It sounds like he has a bit of money to be able to afford an attorney. He likely already destroyed and disposed of his and her phones a long time ago, so cops wont have that evidence to use. He will claim that she decided to break up with him during the trip and she decided to hitchhike. The van was owned by him, IIRC.

The van will have her DNA all over it, but likely nothing that indicates a crime. He most likely killed her outside the van.

The police will retrace his route by looking at his transactions (he probably didn't pay for gas in cash on a cross country drive) and the mobile phone tower pings. Whenever he shut off the phones, that's likely when she died.

Completely disagree. Not with the insane amount of location and other data available these days. They don’t need her physical phone for that.

And let’s be real. If he just showed up back in town without any kind of excuse, or story of what happened, this guy isn’t exactly playing 3D chess.

DP His story is - she left - end of story.

As for the location pings, if I learned anything from the California couple hiking who died from algae bloom. The national parks and extremely rural areas of America have zero cell service.

All he’d have to do is leave the phone in the area with no cell service or destroy it before he drove back into areas near cell phone towers. And it’s be like he was never there.

if he had his phone with him and he used google maps or even something like komoot for hiking, his phone was still receiving GPS data which is then uploaded to servers ones it gets a connection.

She’s been missing for two weeks and at least 72 hours since her mother filed a critical missing persons report. I’m going to go with - if they haven’t found her by now the cell phone is destroyed and no location data recovered.

maybe they have found her and they're waiting for his story to crack, maybe it takes time to search miles of wilderness- his GPS might have been pinging hikes across rough terrain for dozens or hundreds of miles between her last contact and him showing up in Florida. He might have dumped her in a lake or buried her- in which case, they have a track, but it will still take a long time to find the body.